Welcome to the
Marriage Builders® Discussion Forum

This is a community where people come in search of marriage related support, answers, or encouragement. Also, information about the Marriage Builders principles can be found in the books available for sale in the Marriage Builders® Bookstore.
If you would like to join our guidance forum, please read the Announcement Forum for instructions, rules, & guidelines.
The members of this community are peers and not professionals. Professional coaching is available by clicking on the link titled Coaching Center at the top of this page.
We trust that you will find the Marriage Builders® Discussion Forum to be a helpful resource for you. We look forward to your participation.
Once you have reviewed all the FAQ, tech support and announcement information, if you still have problems that are not addressed, please e-mail the administrators at mbrestored@gmail.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 42 of 52 1 2 40 41 42 43 44 51 52
writer1 #2450233 12/08/10 09:31 PM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,803
W
Member
Member
W Offline
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,803
Sorry for the screwy quote thing.


Me: BS/FWW: 48
BS/WH: 50
DS: 30, 27, 25
DD: 28
OC: 10
BH and I are raising my OC together.
writer1 #2450235 12/08/10 09:36 PM
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
T
Member
Member
T Offline
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
So what you are saying, is that you do not agree that it is important for people to share the load of annoying but necessary crap that needs to be done around the house daily/weekly/monthly.

And no, I am not going to hire someone to simply pick up after my wife and take out the garbage or do our dishes. That should not be necessary. We are two human beings who should be more than capable of doing what adults have to do when they grow up and do not yet have kids around the house to have help with the chores. (and no do not go into a rant saying that that is all i think having kids are for)

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,803
W
Member
Member
W Offline
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,803
Originally Posted by TomOlympus
So what you are saying, is that you do not agree that it is important for people to share the load of annoying but necessary crap that needs to be done around the house daily/weekly/monthly.

And no, I am not going to hire someone to simply pick up after my wife and take out the garbage or do our dishes. That should not be necessary. We are two human beings who should be more than capable of doing what adults have to do when they grow up and do not yet have kids around the house to have help with the chores. (and no do not go into a rant saying that that is all i think having kids are for)

No, #1 and #2 involve making a list of chores and then putting your name by the ones you don't mind doing, and then doing them. Your wife would of course put her name next to the chores she doesn't mind doing. Then, you tackle the chores that are left. You each put your names next to the chores you think are important. Then, you either do the chore yourself or you hire someone to do it. With the chores that are only important to one person, that person does them or hires someone else to do them.

I'm pretty sure most people would agree that dishes have to be washed and laundry has to be done, so I'm guessing your wife's name would be next to those chores either as something she doesn't mind doing, or at least something she thinks is important to get done. So would yours, unless you like eating off dirty dishes and walking around naked all the time (and if you do, I don't want to know). With the chores that are important to both of you, you either do them yourselves or hire someone else to do them.

But your method involves forcing your wife to do something she doesn't want to do without offering any other alternatives and that won't work. You can't force anyone to do anything and even if she did do it, it would cause her to feel resentment towards you because she doesn't really want to.

Last edited by writer1; 12/08/10 09:48 PM.

Me: BS/FWW: 48
BS/WH: 50
DS: 30, 27, 25
DD: 28
OC: 10
BH and I are raising my OC together.
writer1 #2450238 12/08/10 10:00 PM
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
T
Member
Member
T Offline
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
I understand what you are saying. Sadly at this point of the relationship, I have the resentment towards her because I feel I do the majority of things around the home. That was the same when she was working the same job as me, the same when she was not working at all, and the same when she has a new job now.

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,803
W
Member
Member
W Offline
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,803
Originally Posted by TomOlympus
I understand what you are saying. Sadly at this point of the relationship, I have the resentment towards her because I feel I do the majority of things around the home. That was the same when she was working the same job as me, the same when she was not working at all, and the same when she has a new job now.

Then you need to sit down and talk to her about it. You need to be honest.


Me: BS/FWW: 48
BS/WH: 50
DS: 30, 27, 25
DD: 28
OC: 10
BH and I are raising my OC together.
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,437
C
Member
Member
C Offline
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,437
Originally Posted by TomOlympus
I don't want to do them, I don't enjoy doing them.

Your wife: CHECKMATE.

Your move.


Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.
(Oscar Wilde)
CWMI #2450263 12/08/10 11:21 PM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,437
C
Member
Member
C Offline
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,437
Who makes a mess if neither of you are home for more than a few minutes a day? The dog? Get rid of it!

Who is eating at home? You're only there together for three hours a week...who exactly is making these messy dinners? Oh, you do all the cooking, while she is out. Clean up after yourself then.

Or entice your woman to be home.

Checkmate.

Your move.


Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.
(Oscar Wilde)
CWMI #2450265 12/08/10 11:37 PM
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,437
C
Member
Member
C Offline
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 5,437
YOUR WIFE IS NOT YOUR STUDENT.

Are you a Christian man, Tom?


Marriage is the triumph of imagination over intelligence. Second marriage is the triumph of hope over experience.
(Oscar Wilde)
CWMI #2450275 12/09/10 12:43 AM
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 12,357
M
Member
Member
M Offline
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 12,357
Originally Posted by CWMI
YOUR WIFE IS NOT YOUR STUDENT.

Are you a Christian man, Tom?
CWMI, I know where you're going, and it WON'T WORK. He will NOT be persuaded by calls to his religion. Tom's ego is WAY too big to be governed by any particular religion.



D-Day 2-10-2009
Fully Recovered and Better Than Ever!
Thank you Marriage Builders!

Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 27
I
Member
Member
I Offline
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 27
Every time someone offers advice you reject it. Every time someone makes an observation that may help you see the situation differently you reject it. Every time someone TELLS you do something you reject it. "That won't work. That's not true. I don't believe it. I won't do that. I can't do that."

I think that over the years your wife has probably heard this so many times that there is no reason to talk to you. There's no reason to spend time with you. There's no reason to listen to you because you don't listen. You have no tolerance for anything outside of what you want, think, feel.


This stuff that's hurting right now, this pain, this fear,
it's temporary.
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,617
S
Member
Member
S Offline
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 2,617
Originally Posted by TomOlympus
I understand what you are saying. Sadly at this point of the relationship, I have the resentment towards her because I feel I do the majority of things around the home. That was the same when she was working the same job as me, the same when she was not working at all, and the same when she has a new job now.


This is how a majority of affairs begin...this is a cancer eating at your M....Unresolved resentment...fix it....


BW me-41
WH -39
DS - 9
married 12 Yrs together(?) 18 yrs when A discovered
DDay aug 2007
found MB dec 2007
Moved out april 2008
still seeing OW
Plan B

Okay I fixed the ages, it was looking screwy. smile
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
T
Member
Member
T Offline
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
Originally Posted by maritalbliss
Originally Posted by CWMI
YOUR WIFE IS NOT YOUR STUDENT.

Are you a Christian man, Tom?
CWMI, I know where you're going, and it WON'T WORK. He will NOT be persuaded by calls to his religion. Tom's ego is WAY too big to be governed by any particular religion.

Yes I am, and I do not think that I have a big ego.

Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
T
Member
Member
T Offline
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
Originally Posted by ItsTemporary
Every time someone offers advice you reject it. Every time someone makes an observation that may help you see the situation differently you reject it. Every time someone TELLS you do something you reject it. "That won't work. That's not true. I don't believe it. I won't do that. I can't do that."

I think that over the years your wife has probably heard this so many times that there is no reason to talk to you. There's no reason to spend time with you. There's no reason to listen to you because you don't listen. You have no tolerance for anything outside of what you want, think, feel.

My wife does enjoy spending time with me, and talking to me. I don't see why you are assuming this. She is a happy person who is very much in love with me.
And you are very wrong about the idea that I only care about what I want. We all have selfish tendencies, of course. But, I care very much about other people.

Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 12,357
M
Member
Member
M Offline
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 12,357
The toast is done.


D-Day 2-10-2009
Fully Recovered and Better Than Ever!
Thank you Marriage Builders!

Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
T
Member
Member
T Offline
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
I did not cook toast for dinner. Actually I cooked chicken and noodles. And we had a lovely dinner together. Now she does not feel well tonight and went to bed early.

Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 734
R
Member
Member
R Offline
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 734
Tom, YOU said your wife finds excuses to avoid UA time.

Those are not the actions of someone who is romantically and passionately in love. She may love you, she may think she is in love with you but I suspect she feels constantly off balance and vulnerable and unable to be strong (as you need to be, very strong, to really love someone with all your heart) because she doesn't know which parts of her life are real and which are lies.


Me: 32
H: 35
Married 9 years, together 12.
Two little girls, 7 and 3.
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
T
Member
Member
T Offline
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
She is busy. That is different than making excuses for not doing something. She is legitimetly busy much of the time.

Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,123
Likes: 1
H
Member
Member
H Offline
Joined: Oct 2010
Posts: 5,123
Likes: 1
Originally Posted by TomOlympus
She is busy. That is different than making excuses for not doing something. She is legitimetly busy much of the time.

Busy with what? Honestly, if you are coming behind the housework, do some damn housework and get your time!


"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field." - Niels Bohr

"Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons." - Michael Shermer

"Fair speech may hide a foul heart." - Samwise Gamgee LOTR
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
T
Member
Member
T Offline
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 676
Originally Posted by HeadHeldHigh
Originally Posted by TomOlympus
She is busy. That is different than making excuses for not doing something. She is legitimetly busy much of the time.

Busy with what? Honestly, if you are coming behind the housework, do some damn housework and get your time!

I said before, she has a handful of things outside of work that she is involved in. I don't see those as excuses though, just things that she is involved in. It is more than I would like, but they are important things.
As for me, the only thing I really do outside of work is go to the gym once a week. I have tried to get her to join me, but she does not want to.

Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 15,818
Likes: 7
M
Member
Member
M Offline
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 15,818
Likes: 7
Originally Posted by TomOlympus
Originally Posted by HeadHeldHigh
Originally Posted by TomOlympus
She is busy. That is different than making excuses for not doing something. She is legitimetly busy much of the time.

Busy with what? Honestly, if you are coming behind the housework, do some damn housework and get your time!

I said before, she has a handful of things outside of work that she is involved in. I don't see those as excuses though, just things that she is involved in. It is more than I would like, but they are important things.
As for me, the only thing I really do outside of work is go to the gym once a week. I have tried to get her to join me, but she does not want to.

It's like the movies, Tom. You've got to find something you both enjoy. Don't let yourself believe the lie that if she cared about you she'd accept your request and go with you. A caring husband recognizes that his wife can say no and accepts her answer, because he realizes that he would have been gaining at her expense otherwise.


If you are serious about saving your marriage, you can't get it all on this forum. You've got to listen to the Marriage Builders Radio show, every day. Install the app!

Married to my radiant trophy wife, Prisca, 19 years. Father of 8.
Attended Marriage Builders weekend in May 2010

If your wife is not on board with MB, some of my posts to other men might help you.
Page 42 of 52 1 2 40 41 42 43 44 51 52

Link Copied to Clipboard
Forum Search
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 518 guests, and 765 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
duocbinhdong, RonBrown, leorasy, jonathanhans, billy gaits
72,052 Registered Users
Latest Posts
Annulment reconsideration help
by RonBrown - 08/21/25 11:27 PM
Three Times A Charm
by leorasy - 08/20/25 12:00 AM
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics133,625
Posts2,323,527
Members72,053
Most Online8,273
Aug 17th, 2025
Building Marriages That Last A Lifetime
Copyright © 2025, Marriage Builders, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Site Navigation
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0