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I told my sister that and she told me that I read a Superman comic when I was a kid and took it too literally. I took that as a compliment. smile

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I understand your position, T2, and respect you for it. From HTLD's posts, he believes the OM is leaning that way. I hope we can get feedback on the outcome.

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Tried to call him yesterday. No answer. He works at a restaurant, so I'm not totally surprised.

Will try again soon.

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Originally Posted by NeverGuessed
M/L -

The cost/benefit (or risk/reward) equation here is unclear to me.

I can see the benefit and reward to the WW and WWH's marriage to having the truth before both of them if their marriage is going to survive. But the cost and risk are such that would be expected to be borne by the OM?

I can't imagine how HTLD's friend is going to do that - safely. If he is going to approach the BH (who he is not revealed as knowing personally) with this news, how would you and the MB program suggest that to be done? E-mail? Phone? Written mail? In person (surrounded by large, armed, body guards)?

Having been, once upon a time, a trusting, ignorant, spouse, I'm trying to project my reaction on being told by a complete stranger, "Nice to meet you NG. Your wife has told me so much about you, including how she's dissatisfied with you, and how you can't ring her bells the way I have been." (Okay, a bit over-the-top, but on hearing "wife - me - PA" from another man, it really wouldn't have been matters of sentence construction which ruled my response.)

If HTLD is going to advise his friend about WHAT to do, part of that advice should include HOW to do it. Possibly benefiting another couple's marriage in the long term will be tempered with protecting one's own self in the short-term, at least in folks with no more than the usual amount of altruism. And please don't cop out by reverting to "Well, if he engaged in a PA with a still-married woman, he should be willing to accept the risk......." Obviously, he WAS at least somewhat lacking in optimal high-principle orientation to start this process, so declaring that he must be highly principled in facing up to a justifiably enraged BH, when he might choose not to, is erroneous.

And remember, HE'S not married; he has never heard of MB principles and ideals, so the gains of O&H have no play. Having none, he will not be concerned in building a better marriage.

Seriously, enlighten me. What arguments does HTLD use in convincing his friend that it is in his interest to self-reveal, and what methods have been shown to be most effective in this difficult task?

Why are you making a simple job so complicated.

The OM/friend did wrong.

When you offend or wrong someone they deserve an apology.

This BH deserves the truth. He can not know he is living a lie. With the apology he will have get the truth. With the truth he can repair his life with a recovery or divorce.

Two for the price of one.

An from this exposure the WW gets some IC she may learn how to have boundaries, be a good wife to this or the next H and have no more affairs.

Then three for the price of one.

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HTLD, did you ever get any information on the outcome of this situation?

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Nope. I haven't talked to him in 24 years and we reconnected just recently.

I texted him yesterday and he says she's out of his life. That's all I know. I think he's walking away and not contacting her again.

I don't talk to him regularly. I'll try to call him sometime soon.

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Hi HFLD,

You did what was within your power and privilge and that was to urge him to be up front and do the right thing. That he is walking away doesn't resolve the possible situation of the BH being clueless, but that is on your friend. But, at least you may have jarred him into realizing that there are many people who do not approve of intruding into a marriage.

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Talked to my friend today. He called me.

I kept the conversation light and just listened to him tell me of an eHarmony date he had last night.

He then told me that he's been seriously considering my recommendation and has his reasons to do it.

He said that the WW he was seeing has been texting him and trying to re-establish contact and saying mean things because he won't respond.

I told him to ignore her, write her H a letter detailing what happened, what she said, when she said it, and include sample emails from her, so that she can't deny the affair. He said he'd throw in his cell number and suggest to the BH that he check his phone records and see how often they were in contact.

I also told him to tell the BH that he wanted nothing to do with his wife or with him and that he simply wanted to inform him of what went on.

So we'll see what he does.

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He doesn't have any small, tasty pets, does he?

Scary!

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