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Originally Posted by MyJourney
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I try to have an open mind. I just wish there was some way I could help her.


Everyone's advice is to run, and I understand that........

Thanks for your feedback MJ. It is very useful to me and does show another dimension to things. I would really love to find a solution to the problem. I think the major issue we if probably the deal breaker though. She seems to have this idea that once you divorce your spouse you have no contact. This is just impossible for me. As I have said, I have minimal contact with my ex, and only to discus the children and things that affect them.

She indicates that everyone she talks to agrees with her. Everyone I talk to agrees with me. Obviously one or both of us is not telling it the way it is.

In the words of the therapist to her that we saw, "try to see his contct as him being a good father, etc..."

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I have listened to Christian Carter's tapes and read the books on Dating and Relationships....

Yep, everything you all say is perfect in theory, but there are so many variables in real situations that muddy the waters.

Thanks for the clear directions. Keep them coming, they all help.


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Good morning Rhodie,

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I would really love to find a solution to the problem. I think the major issue we if probably the deal breaker though. She seems to have this idea that once you divorce your spouse you have no contact.


In any relationship, this would fall under the "Policy of Joint Agreement". Have you read all the MB material, including how to use POJA?

The Policy of Joint Agreement

It's true that I've learned that contact with an ex-spouse, or old lover, can be dangerous to a marriage. But in the cases with kids, some contact is necessary, if not through the ex-spouses, than through an intermediary.

Would anyone be telling you to leave your gf if instead of yelling at you, she withdrew instead? These are both hurtful behaviors, but the yelling is widely accepted as being abusive, as opposed to withdrawing, but they are both abusive in my opinion. I think I read somewhere that Dr. Harley agrees with that?????

Regardless, your gf's yelling is a symptom of a problem that needs to be addressed, and her yelling seems to be the only way she's been able to express herself, which is not a healthy expression of anger.

SHE needs to take the bull by the horn and seek out how to handle her anger in a more productive way. Being angry is acceptable, expressing it by yelling and breaking things is not acceptable.

Upthread, I mentioned how simple that process can be. In my case, there was hardly ever resolution when I brought up my concerns in a healthy way. If there ever was, it was usually done with resentment, or he'd go back on his word, so that didn't help our situation. At the time, I couldn't just accept my husband for who he was, and what he wanted because it felt too unsafe for me. He wanted connections with other women, while supposedly keeping his boundaries in check.

On a side note...I went through some old e-mails between my husband and I yesterday, and I saw where he was "fine" with me attending those co-ed AA mtgs with him, but somewhere along the way, he changed his mind about that. He often "resolved" conflicts with me, but apparently wasn't happy with what we agreed on and went back on his word constantly. Not good.

Regardless of how hurt and angry I was though, it was wrong the way I handle my pain and upset. I finally came to a point where I could forgive and let go of the past, but it was too late for my husband. I wasn't able to show him love through all that hurt and anger, and when I could, I don't think he accepted it, so his love bank was empty long before he left. I think he was filled with his own resentments and wouldn't accept what I was trying to give.

But this is what happens when two people aren't willing to negotiate and show care for the other person. And that care includes not yelling at your partner.

I know everyone here is not perfect, we all have our flaws. Some seeming more harming than others.

I don't know if any of that rambling was helpful at all. All I know is that if you want to build a loving relationship, both people need to work on a resolution. If a resolution isn't possible, you will need to accept that person just the way they are, or move on (especially if you're not married).

If you really care about her, be supportive by telling her that you have faith in her that she can grow and improve. You don't have to stay with her while she works on that, but you can offer your admiration for it. I wished that my husband and I would have been more supportive in that way.


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http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2013149&page=1

After a 4 yr FR, it became CLEAR to me of what you can look for in a FR. And that is the absence of POJA, and/or if your spouse tramples on your boundaries. If someone is not willing to do POJA with you, and they don't respect your boundaries, imo, the relationship is doomed.
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Originally Posted by MyJourney
Good morning Rhodie,

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I would really love to find a solution to the problem. I think the major issue we if probably the deal breaker though. She seems to have this idea that once you divorce your spouse you have no contact.


In any relationship, this would fall under the "Policy of Joint Agreement". Have you read all the MB material, including how to use POJA? ....

We have had contact in the last few days. She went to the doctor and he doubled her dose and referred her to a psychologist. She had a session yesterday and is working on her anger management. She is going weekly for the next few months.

The psychologist has suggested a few things for her to do, but it is obviously early days.

Thanks MJ for all the pointers. I just hope we can find some balance here.


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It's good that she's taking action, but it's going to take some time to see if those changes are real.

I'm just not sure how much contact is healthy at this point to see if the changes are real.


D-yr fall 06-fall 07
Separated 10/2010
Him-several affairs, last one 3/2011
Divorced filed 3/2011, final 3/2012

Formerly "Mopey".
http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2013149&page=1

After a 4 yr FR, it became CLEAR to me of what you can look for in a FR. And that is the absence of POJA, and/or if your spouse tramples on your boundaries. If someone is not willing to do POJA with you, and they don't respect your boundaries, imo, the relationship is doomed.
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Originally Posted by MyJourney
It's good that she's taking action, but it's going to take some time to see if those changes are real.

I'm just not sure how much contact is healthy at this point to see if the changes are real.

Sure, that is the million dollar question. She is trying to see me as much as she can, but, she is also going out with friends and trying to take her mind off me which I see as positive.

Negotiating the slippery slope.


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