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I have been working on my marriage with all of Dr. Harley's material. My H is trying to decide whether he wants to reconcile or go through with a D. I talk about what I have read and heard, and I am wondering which of his books or info on the website is specifically geared toward or not as biased against the WS. If I let him read the material like "SAA", he will see my strategies that I have been using. Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
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Gabhill, I hope there are not any books out there that are not biased against adultery. Any program/book that is not biased against adultery would be destructive.
If your H is in an active affair, there is no book that can get through to him. What gets through the wayward fog are tactics like exposure and doing everything in your power to kill his affair.
The best way to help your H decide what he wants is to kill his affair and make yourself an attractive option. If that doesn't work in 3 to 4 weeks, then separation is suggested.
In your case, I am certain the OW's husband can be very helpful in helping your H make up his mind. Are you in touch with the OW's husband? Has this affair been exposed to everyone?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Gab,
I agree strongly with Melody (I'm assuming your husband is the WS and he is still in the affair).
Attempting to "negotiate" with an active-WS is a complete waste of time. Any attempts to directly convince him or engage him in persuasive argument--moral, social, logical, financial, ANY of it--will fall on deaf ears and be dismissed as "control", "desperation", "pressure, or "she doesn't understand, it's too late to change my mind now".
Don't waste your time please...it's utterly unproductive to try rational methods or materials on a WS...I know of where I speak because I tried all these futile efforts with my then-WW and got the predicably disappointing results as detailed above.
Don't try to get him into MC, don't try to make him to read stuff, and don't try to reason with him. All of these things--as counter-intuitive as this seems to you right now--will drive him further away from you and further into the arms of the OW. In the WS's fogged-out mind, these activities will be perceived negatively and make your relationship look even more unappealing compared to the "effortless & easy" thing he has going on with the OW he's emotionally-addicted to right now.
None of these efforts can bear any fruit until he is OUT OF THE AFFAIR & IN NC WITH HIS LOVER.
Focus on that FIRST. Expose the affair to everyone without warning first.
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I have been working on my marriage with all of Dr. Harley's material. My H is trying to decide whether he wants to reconcile or go through with a D. I talk about what I have read and heard, and I am wondering which of his books or info on the website is specifically geared toward or not as biased against the WS. If I let him read the material like "SAA", he will see my strategies that I have been using. Thanks in advance for your suggestions. How much have you read? How much attention did you pay? I did a lot of searching before landing here, and I can tell you that you won't find anything more understanding of exactly how a WS falls into the trap of infidelity than the materials and books here. It does not excuse infidelity, rather it explains it succinctly. Instead of posting my response to these two letters, I have decided to use their contents to illustrate how affairs begin. R. J. described the essential conditions for an affair quite well. First, there is usually a dissatisfaction with marriage that stems from the failure to meet an important emotional need. For R.J., her need is conversation, which is usually missing in marriage when women have affairs. She has a deep and pervasive need to talk to her husband, a need that all the gifts in the world cannot meet.
R.J.'s husband has demonstrated his care for her in many different ways. But he doesn't care for her in the way that would deposit the most love units. Because he has not met her need for conversation, she is vulnerable to an affair.
The best friend of R.J.'s husband (we'll call him Bob) didn't intend to meet her emotional needs whenever he talked to her. He was just being friendly, and carried on conversations the way he would with almost anyone. But whether he intended to or not, whenever he talked with her, he deposited scores of love units. After a while, he might have noticed how his conversations were effecting her, but I'm not sure he would have made much of it.
I'm also sure that R.J. did not intend to fall in love with Bob. Those feelings that he rekindled in her came as a surprise, and she is at a loss to know what to do about it. She knows that they are a risk to her marriage, and yet she feels compelled to draw ever closer to the object of her new love.
There are some who feel that those feelings of love are a signal from God to abandon past relationships and rush into this new relationship. But it's no signal from God. Instead, it's the way our emotions mindlessly encourage us to spend more time with those who meet our emotional needs. If we submitted to our emotions, and chased after anyone who at the moment deposited the most love units in our Love Banks, our lives would become chaotic in no time. And the lives of family and friends, to say nothing about our own lives, would be trashed. HereI know with my own WS, when she read Dr. Harley's view, it was like a lightbulb went off. Waywards are functionally... for lack of a better word - retarded. For some reason it doesn't compute; attraction + time spent = draw to oblivion. It is deficient beliefs; "I would never do that, if I have this draw, I must not love my spouse." They simply do not compute that they are choosing to develop the attraction, and choosing to destroy the person who loves and trusts them. And the truth is, they never should have been trusted to begin with!
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"Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons." - Michael Shermer
"Fair speech may hide a foul heart." - Samwise Gamgee LOTR
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