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Where does the bible say that a M is "over" if there is adultery? Sigh. If I said it IS over I am sorry. The Bible says that adultery is GROUNDS for the marriage to end. Of course a BS can forgive the adultery and the marriage will still be valid.
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In pauls letter to the Corinthian it states...
10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. 12 But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
My interpretation is that if the BH or BW does leave the M....They cannot remarry. JMHO Yes, but the above passage is not discussing adultery. In other passages in the Bible it offers that exception. Adultery CAN sever the bond of marriage. Breaks the vow. Yes...But it does not clear the way for remarriage...
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In other passages in the Bible it offers that exception. Adultery CAN sever the bond of marriage. Breaks the vow. Scripture please? Or is this an interpretation? Matthew 5:32; 19:9
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In pauls letter to the Corinthian it states...
10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11 (but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife. 12 But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. 15 Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. 16 For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?
My interpretation is that if the BH or BW does leave the M....They cannot remarry. JMHO Yes, but the above passage is not discussing adultery. In other passages in the Bible it offers that exception. Adultery CAN sever the bond of marriage. Breaks the vow. Yes...But it does not clear the way for remarriage... Matthew 19 Now when Jesus had finished these words, he departed from Gal′i‧lee and came to the frontiers of Ju‧de′a across the Jordan. 2�Also, great crowds followed him, and he cured them there. 3�And Pharisees came up to him, intent on tempting him and saying: �Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife on every sort of ground?� 4�In reply he said: �Did YOU not read that he who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female 5�and said, �For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh�? 6�So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together let no man put apart.� 7�They said to him: �Why, then, did Moses prescribe giving a certificate of dismissal and divorcing her?� 8�He said to them: �Moses, out of regard for YOUR hardheartedness, made the concession to YOU of divorcing YOUR wives, but such has not been the case from [the] beginning. 9�I say to YOU that whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication, and marries another commits adultery.� (Red hilighting mine)
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Divorce and remarriage is such a complex subject. I have a dear friend who married a man who turned out to be a terrible abuser. She went to her pastor a couple of times and was told to pray and submit. After a particularly bad round, she was "encouraged" down some stairs and a few days later had a D&C for a miscarriage while her H played golf. He didn't feel the need to go to the hospital because "he didn't want it anyway." Another dear friend of mine married a man who came out as a homosexual after their son was born. He refused to change his lifestyle and was arrested several times for picking up men and boys at a local park.
Both of these women left their husbands. Both have since remarried. And according to certain views of Scripture, both are adulteresses. Some may say: "but that's different." No it isn't. Not if we hold to the strict interpretation. My two godly, sweet, humble friends who have been through pain I cannot imagine......
are adulteresses.
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Originally Posted By: MarriedForever
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The previous marriage no longer exists making the new marriage valid.
The new M sure existed when the "new marriage" (ie, affairage) happened though...I bet the BW would sure argue that point.
I don't understand what you are saying. The new M existed when the new marriage happened? I don't understand your question. I reposted your words....I didn't understand what you posted...
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SW...Where does it say the adultery partners can remarry?...That might be a good one for the Betrayed to remarry....but doesnt even convince me of that
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I think this part is key:
�Moses, out of regard for YOUR hardheartedness, made the concession to YOU of divorcing YOUR wives, but such has not been the case from [the] beginning.
Only out of our own hardheartedness has this been "permitted". Far from ideal.
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Divorce and remarriage is such a complex subject. I have a dear friend who married a man who turned out to be a terrible abuser. She went to her pastor a couple of times and was told to pray and submit. After a particularly bad round, she was "encouraged" down some stairs and a few days later had a D&C for a miscarriage while her H played golf. He didn't feel the need to go to the hospital because "he didn't want it anyway." Another dear friend of mine married a man who came out as a homosexual after their son was born. He refused to change his lifestyle and was arrested several times for picking up men and boys at a local park.
Both of these women left their husbands. Both have since remarried. And according to certain views of Scripture, both are adulteresses. Some may say: "but that's different." No it isn't. Not if we hold to the strict interpretation. My two godly, sweet, humble friends who have been through pain I cannot imagine......
are adulteresses. In the case of the homosexual WH....adultery does not have to be with an opposite sex. She was freed by his adultery with other men. The abused wife? She certainly would not be expected to stay with the man who abused her....but she would not be free to remarry until such time he freed her. And probably a man like that would free her.
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Originally Posted By: MarriedForever
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The previous marriage no longer exists making the new marriage valid.
The new M sure existed when the "new marriage" (ie, affairage) happened though...I bet the BW would sure argue that point.
I don't understand what you are saying. The new M existed when the new marriage happened? I don't understand your question. I reposted your words....I didn't understand what you posted... Ha, funny...it was ME who was mistaken. I meant "The OLD M sure existed when the "new marriage" (ie, affairage) happened [/color]though...I bet the BW would sure argue that point. Correction in bold.
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Divorce and remarriage is such a complex subject. I have a dear friend who married a man who turned out to be a terrible abuser. She went to her pastor a couple of times and was told to pray and submit. After a particularly bad round, she was "encouraged" down some stairs and a few days later had a D&C for a miscarriage while her H played golf. He didn't feel the need to go to the hospital because "he didn't want it anyway." Another dear friend of mine married a man who came out as a homosexual after their son was born. He refused to change his lifestyle and was arrested several times for picking up men and boys at a local park.
Both of these women left their husbands. Both have since remarried. And according to certain views of Scripture, both are adulteresses. Some may say: "but that's different." No it isn't. Not if we hold to the strict interpretation. My two godly, sweet, humble friends who have been through pain I cannot imagine......
are adulteresses. It is sad...Life is very unfair...but God did not promise us all perfect lives...My WH is an adulterer...Maybe it is my punishment for fornicating before my M with him...who knows...We all have our burdens to bear.
BW me-41 WH -39 DS - 9 married 12 Yrs together(?) 18 yrs when A discovered DDay aug 2007 found MB dec 2007 Moved out april 2008 still seeing OW Plan B Okay I fixed the ages, it was looking screwy.
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I think this part is key:
�Moses, out of regard for YOUR hardheartedness, made the concession to YOU of divorcing YOUR wives, but such has not been the case from [the] beginning.
Only out of our own hardheartedness has this been "permitted". Far from ideal. I agree, not ideal. Not what God intended and not what he wants. He does hate divorcing. And in the first part of the passage above the discussion was about divorcing a wife for 'any sort of grounds.' The exception of adultery was at the end of the passage.
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SW...Where does it say the adultery partners can remarry?...That might be a good one for the Betrayed to remarry....but doesnt even convince me of that Once the marriage is over (due to death or adultery) they are free. If a BS wanted to forgive and save the marriage then the WS would NOT be free. At that point the WS marrying ANYONE would be wrong.....but nonetheless that act of marrying would certainly sever the original betrayed marriage and create a new marriage.
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I dont see where is says that at all...Not for the APs, esp...
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Divorce and remarriage is such a complex subject. I have a dear friend who married a man who turned out to be a terrible abuser. She went to her pastor a couple of times and was told to pray and submit. After a particularly bad round, she was "encouraged" down some stairs and a few days later had a D&C for a miscarriage while her H played golf. He didn't feel the need to go to the hospital because "he didn't want it anyway." Another dear friend of mine married a man who came out as a homosexual after their son was born. He refused to change his lifestyle and was arrested several times for picking up men and boys at a local park.
Both of these women left their husbands. Both have since remarried. And according to certain views of Scripture, both are adulteresses. Some may say: "but that's different." No it isn't. Not if we hold to the strict interpretation. My two godly, sweet, humble friends who have been through pain I cannot imagine......
are adulteresses. It is sad...Life is very unfair...but God did not promise us all perfect lives...My WH is an adulterer...Maybe it is my punishment for fornicating before my M with him...who knows...We all have our burdens to bear. Bad things are not from God. Bad consequences come from not following Divine instructions, but you aren't being 'punished' by God. Maybe you think you need punishment though and that is why you've convinced yourself you can never divorce your adulterous husband and remarry another man.
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Divorce and remarriage is such a complex subject. I have a dear friend who married a man who turned out to be a terrible abuser. She went to her pastor a couple of times and was told to pray and submit. After a particularly bad round, she was "encouraged" down some stairs and a few days later had a D&C for a miscarriage while her H played golf. He didn't feel the need to go to the hospital because "he didn't want it anyway." Another dear friend of mine married a man who came out as a homosexual after their son was born. He refused to change his lifestyle and was arrested several times for picking up men and boys at a local park.
Both of these women left their husbands. Both have since remarried. And according to certain views of Scripture, both are adulteresses. Some may say: "but that's different." No it isn't. Not if we hold to the strict interpretation. My two godly, sweet, humble friends who have been through pain I cannot imagine......
are adulteresses. It is sad...Life is very unfair...but God did not promise us all perfect lives...My WH is an adulterer...Maybe it is my punishment for fornicating before my M with him...who knows...We all have our burdens to bear. Bad things are not from God. Bad consequences come from not following Divine instructions, but you aren't being 'punished' by God. Maybe you think you need punishment though and that is why you've convinced yourself you can never divorce your adulterous husband and remarry another man. I NEVER said that bad things were from God...sheesh!!!
BW me-41 WH -39 DS - 9 married 12 Yrs together(?) 18 yrs when A discovered DDay aug 2007 found MB dec 2007 Moved out april 2008 still seeing OW Plan B Okay I fixed the ages, it was looking screwy.
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God Hath Not Promised
God hath not promised skies always blue
Flower strewn pathways, all our lives through;
God hath not promised sun without rain,
Joy without sorrow, peace without pain.
But God hath promised strength for the day,
Rest for the labour, light for the way,
Grace for the trials, help from above,
Unfailing kindness, undying love.
God hath not promised we shall not know
Toil and temptations, trouble and woe;
He hath not told us we shall not bear
Many a burden, many a care.
But God hath promised strength for the day,
Rest for the labour, light for the way,
Grace for the trials, help from above,
Unfailing kindness, undying love.
God hath not promised smooth roads and wide,
Swift, easy travel, needing no guide;
Never a mountain, rocky and steep,
Never a river turbid and deep.
But God hath promised strength for the day,
Rest for the labour, light for the way,
Grace for the trials, help from above,
Unfailing kindness, undying love.
Love this Poem....
BW me-41 WH -39 DS - 9 married 12 Yrs together(?) 18 yrs when A discovered DDay aug 2007 found MB dec 2007 Moved out april 2008 still seeing OW Plan B Okay I fixed the ages, it was looking screwy.
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I do believe that we are punished for our sins....Dont you, SW?
There are stories of that in the Bible...
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I dont see where is says that at all...Not for the APs, esp... If the marriage is over why wouldn't both parties be allowed to remarry?
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God Hath Not Promised
God hath not promised skies always blue
Flower strewn pathways, all our lives through;
God hath not promised sun without rain,
Joy without sorrow, peace without pain.
But God hath promised strength for the day,
Rest for the labour, light for the way,
Grace for the trials, help from above,
Unfailing kindness, undying love.
God hath not promised we shall not know
Toil and temptations, trouble and woe;
He hath not told us we shall not bear
Many a burden, many a care.
But God hath promised strength for the day,
Rest for the labour, light for the way,
Grace for the trials, help from above,
Unfailing kindness, undying love.
God hath not promised smooth roads and wide,
Swift, easy travel, needing no guide;
Never a mountain, rocky and steep,
Never a river turbid and deep.
But God hath promised strength for the day,
Rest for the labour, light for the way,
Grace for the trials, help from above,
Unfailing kindness, undying love.
Love this Poem.... Me too. One of my favorites.
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