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I do, and apparently I'm not the only one. I love what they're discussing on the NO GURLS thread and i support the manning up of men everywhere...that is a blessing to women, not a threat. I just don't see why HHH has to include things like 'taking back' manhood (as if it was taken FROM them), and it's a 'woman's world', and that 'being raised by women is why men are not manly' and that women don't know what a good man is...it's all too much deflection of responsibility that could easily be stated as:
Our fathers messed up, but we're gonna fix that.
Leave the women out of it, stop it with the jabs that WE are the problem with men.
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3 of my 4 bosses are women. Thier bosses are all women. The 1 guy that's a boss above them is a man but his boss is a woman.
I was raised quite a bit by my mom and gradmother.
So in my world, I agree with HHH. In fact, almost every one of my bosses has been a woman and over half of my professors were women.
So, I'm on the side with HHH that it's a womans world...at least in my world. Had my bosses/professors been mainly men, I would't feel the way I do. I'm in college right now, just finished my 42nd credit hour, and I've had ONE female professor. One out of 15 professors. So my experience in education is quite different from yours.
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Fun fact that's scientifically proven:
Men love testosterone and women love men that have a lot of testosterone.
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I do, and apparently I'm not the only one. I love what they're discussing on the NO GURLS thread and i support the manning up of men everywhere...that is a blessing to women, not a threat. I just don't see why HHH has to include things like 'taking back' manhood (as if it was taken FROM them), and it's a 'woman's world', and that 'being raised by women is why men are not manly' and that women don't know what a good man is...it's all too much deflection of responsibility that could easily be stated as:
Our fathers messed up, but we're gonna fix that.
Leave the women out of it, stop it with the jabs that WE are the problem with men. Here's my take, FWIW. HHH is working out much of his personal "stuff" on the MB forums. He's in a process. It's fascinating. A man who owns his manhood points no fingers. A man who blames others on the state of his manhood ain't "there" yet.
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I'm in college right now, just finished my 42nd credit hour, and I've had ONE female professor. One out of 15 professors. So my experience in education is quite different from yours. Well yer probly doin a manly degree like takin all that there math and science stuff. You try taking classes like basket weaving, knitting, sewing, and baking and see how many male professors you have.
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Well for one, there is things like this. I make a statement, and you take it as a war against women or some tripe.
I suppose I should "know my place."
However, I am a man in a woman's world. I am a nurse. Men make up 2-5% of the total professional field. Some floors in our local hospitals have NO male nurses or caregivers.
I live in a woman's world.
When I work with certain women, they exhibit behavior that definitely exhibit that the WHOLE WORLD is definitely NOT a woman's world, and they approach me with this "one of the boys" behavior. Then there are those who approach me with the "men are trash" attitude.
Neither of those types get anything from me. I am not "one of the boys."
The third type, they just work. A man in "their world" is not a disruption or threat. To them, I am just another nurse.
Sometimes, this world I work in overlaps the world of meathead men - "You're a male nurse?"
Yes, I am. And I'm about to poke your hip with this needle so that you can stop crying over those broken ribs. OF YOUR CHOOSING. Were you aware when you chose your profession that it was primarily women? Quit yer bellyaching about your choices. You could stop calling my opinions TRIPE, too.
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I'm in college right now, just finished my 42nd credit hour, and I've had ONE female professor. One out of 15 professors. So my experience in education is quite different from yours. Well yer probly doin a manly degree like takin all that there math and science stuff. You try taking classes like basket weaving, knitting, sewing, and baking and see how many male professors you have. lol. Is that what you took? (I'm an English major, btw)
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3 of my 4 bosses are women. Thier bosses are all women. The 1 guy that's a boss above them is a man but his boss is a woman.
I was raised quite a bit by my mom and gradmother.
So in my world, I agree with HHH. In fact, almost every one of my bosses has been a woman and over half of my professors were women.
So, I'm on the side with HHH that it's a womans world...at least in my world. Had my bosses/professors been mainly men, I would't feel the way I do. I'm in college right now, just finished my 42nd credit hour, and I've had ONE female professor. One out of 15 professors. So my experience in education is quite different from yours. How about public education? In 12 years of public school, with 7-12th grade being 6 classes per day, I had a total of 6 male teachers. Those were formative years. Those were the years mentors were needed. Those were the years where I was both pushed for advanced placement, as well as pushed for an ADD diagnosis. Boys are twice as likely to be diagnosed with ADD or ADHD. Why? Because we are different. And to improve the educational path for girls, we tailored the classroom to female tendencies. Is that BAD? No. And we are seeing good results from that. My university is 70% female. Obviously we are succeeding in getting young women educated. Is it worth the cost of leaving boys behind to do so? No. Because that is not "creating equality," that is equalization through disparity.
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Well, yeah, I didn't want no wimenz taking care of me!
i started intending to graduate in the marine sciences field. I actually graduated with an English degree with a minor in religious studies.
I teach P.E. Go figure.
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I'm just going to say this about "male nurse". The opposite used to be "female physician". The MD would sometimes walk into a patient room and was given nursing task requests. To which she might reply: "I am not a nurse. I am a physician".I love these problems. 2 sided, as usual. BTW HHH, as you know, my son is in Army boot camp. When he finishes, he's off to combat medic training in Texas. This son is one tough cookie. He wants to become an RN.  We'll see what happens during his combat medic experience. He worked as EMT for fire/paramedic unit in the worst parts of the mean streets of Los Angeles. Some street combat experience, for sure!!! If I can one day say "My son the nurse", I will swell with pride.
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I'm in college right now, just finished my 42nd credit hour, and I've had ONE female professor. One out of 15 professors. So my experience in education is quite different from yours. Well yer probly doin a manly degree like takin all that there math and science stuff. You try taking classes like basket weaving, knitting, sewing, and baking and see how many male professors you have.  ALL of my college-level math and science (as well as English) was taken under female instructors. This includes; biology, anatomy and physiology, microbiology, and chemistry.
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Well for one, there is things like this. I make a statement, and you take it as a war against women or some tripe.
I suppose I should "know my place."
However, I am a man in a woman's world. I am a nurse. Men make up 2-5% of the total professional field. Some floors in our local hospitals have NO male nurses or caregivers.
I live in a woman's world.
When I work with certain women, they exhibit behavior that definitely exhibit that the WHOLE WORLD is definitely NOT a woman's world, and they approach me with this "one of the boys" behavior. Then there are those who approach me with the "men are trash" attitude.
Neither of those types get anything from me. I am not "one of the boys."
The third type, they just work. A man in "their world" is not a disruption or threat. To them, I am just another nurse.
Sometimes, this world I work in overlaps the world of meathead men - "You're a male nurse?"
Yes, I am. And I'm about to poke your hip with this needle so that you can stop crying over those broken ribs. OF YOUR CHOOSING. Were you aware when you chose your profession that it was primarily women? Quit yer bellyaching about your choices. You could stop calling my opinions TRIPE, too. Bellyaching, eh? No, it's a recognition of where I am, who I work with, and what it means. You are the one who keeps assuming that I plant blame. I don't. Please, advise me how to refer to your opinion when it is based upon a far-reaching assumption? Intuitive? Sensitive? Mystical? I don't have to be right about anything except myself. Nobody has to take accountability for who I am but me. So, yes. When you try to tell me what I feel or think about myself, I'm going to call it tripe. (which really takes good preparation to be any good in menudo)
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I had a total of 6 male teachers. Would you like a hankie?  
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I had a total of 6 male teachers. Would you like a hankie? Big 'ol meanie!
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In 7th and 8th grade, I had all male teachers. High school, I'm a little foggy on...I'd guess it was evenly split, but for math (4 semesters) I had one female teacher, for language (French) it was all females, for science it was all males, and I remember my male Free Enterprise teacher, and one female English teacher...I don't remember any of the rest.
My son is in middle school right now, and he has a lot of male teachers. We're in the Southeast US. I went to Catholic school as a young girl, so all my teachers were nuns back then.
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Age discrimination !!!! 
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In 7th and 8th grade, I had all male teachers. High school, I'm a little foggy on...I'd guess it was evenly split, but for math (4 semesters) I had one female teacher, for language (French) it was all females, for science it was all males, and I remember my male Free Enterprise teacher, and one female English teacher...I don't remember any of the rest.
My son is in middle school right now, and he has a lot of male teachers. We're in the Southeast US. I went to Catholic school as a young girl, so all my teachers were nuns back then. I'm on the conservative side of liberal-ville. The land of feminists and animal-freedom-fighters. Regional difference?
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Age discrimination !!!! You've been acting a little strange lately. Gonna call the Doc and get an order for a UA.
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You've been acting a little strange lately.
Gonna call the Doc and get an order for a UA. Actually, I am seeing the specialist this afternoon.  And, yes, I have been "strange", mostly because I am pissed as hell that I retired and almost immediately became very ill. WTF?
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So, yes. When you try to tell me what I feel or think about myself, I'm going to call it tripe. Good luck with that. I haven't said one word about how you feel or think about yourself. I've taken issue with what you've said or inferred about WOMEN. Not yourself. DAH WIMMINS! 
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