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Important keys to any relationship are communication, trust, honesty and the act of apologizing. I had given up on a future including intimacy in our marriage. I had begged my wife during our first year together for this and married her knowing she was incapable of showing me this side of herself. She claimed she simply did not have any feelings to share with me or needs for me to fill. She has continuously broken my trust over and over, knowingly and maliciously via staggered disclosure of emotional infidelity during the entire year of 2010.
My wife is now trying (and having slow but moderate success) to learn how to communicate, show love, share intimacy and be honest. Please keep in mind that for months I was unaware of much of what you are about to read. I found out through close examination and scrutiny of my phone bill in late June 2010, spying, and bluffing.
My story: I had always begged my wife to be more transparent, intimate, share her feelings. I finally resigned myself to a marriage void of intimacy, kissing, or affection.
In January 2010 my then 30 yr old wife of 5 yrs (8 yrs together) began a texting affair with a single 24-25 yr old male coworker. These texting sessions became marathon events where they would start as early as 5 am, lasting until after 3am. Hundreds/day. She was also flirting and sharing intimate thoughts feelings and personal information she had not even shared with me, with at least 1 other ex-boyfriend via Facebook. The texting affair with the co-worker lasted until May 15th. She tried texting but received no response from him. I now assume he stopped because she wasn�t having sex with him and had rebuffed his advances.
I was traveling every other week. I came off the road March 1st. For the next few months she was increasingly hard to get along with. As I said, May 15th he stopped responding to her texts. She sent pics of herself to him of herself in bra and panties (she eventually admitted 3 months later) but still he did not respond. Keep in mind this admission came after hundreds of lies, so no one but him and her really know what was sent.
On Memorial Day weekend May 30, 2010, I got drunk on purpose out of anger over her treatment of me and her lack of respect towards me. I blacked out but it was reported to me that I became verbally abusive towards everyone including her entire family. This is appalling abhorrent behavior and I am still very ashamed of my actions even in the face of what has occurred. The next morning I started a recovery process which enabled me to own my anger and unhappiness. I wrote apology letters, did all the housework went to counseling, anger management, read voraciously, did hours of research on the internet and began meditation classes. I could not sleep, went from 190 lbs. to 147lbs.
On June 18th, a Friday night she came to see me play a gig (I am a musician) and asked me to watch the kids (1 from her previous relationship and 1 of ours) while she had a "girls night out" at a bar. We had begun (I thought) to heal from my misbehavior from 3 wks prior (having sex, talking, etc...). So now after I had changed radically-after over 30 days of no contact between them-She called the ex co-worker at 11pm and they made several calls to each other then started texting again until 12 midnight. She was also texting the girlfriend she was supposedly with. At that point (midnight) according to the phone records, all outbound activity on my wife�s phone stopped for 3 hours. The co-worker quit texting her, she quit texting him. (It seems very apparent to me and anyone I have related this information to, they were together from this point) Her friend (whom she was with) called and texted her phone several times-no response. I tried calling and texting her with no response. At 1:25am my wife made a 2 minute outbound call to her girlfriend. (To let her know she was alive?) Her girlfriend made several more calls and texts that were not returned. At 2:45 my wife called her GF (I presume to let her know she was on her way back to the bar) and began texting her up until 3am (I presume this is when she was dropped off by him to her GF). At that point the 24yr old co-worker called her several times (presumably on his way home), she made and returned calls and texts to him until about 3:30 at which time the texting frenzy between he and my wife began again (presumably after he arrived home). This continued until my wife walked in the door at 4:20am spent 30 minutes in the bathroom, came to bed, got back up and vomited for 30 minutes. This is not walking in on her having sex and seeing it with my own eyes but I feel it in my gut. Circumstantial but my assumptions are hard to argue.
The next day I lamented "just when we seem to be doing well, one of us always screws up". Starting that morning their texting continued, sometimes at the rate of over 180 texts/day until the following Friday. Meanwhile my wife refused to talk about her extreme lateness and on Monday she stopped talking to me altogether. "I'm not talking to you" she exclaimed. "Why?" I asked. "You know what you have done, you have betrayed me" she screamed. Oblivious to what she was referring to, I racked my brains trying to figure out what actions I had taken that she may have misunderstood.
On Tuesday she cut her hair, dressed provocatively and started wearing makeup (which she rarely did) and went to class at her college-at least that is where she claimed to be. The following Friday June 25th I decided I had enough of her childish behavior and called her oldest and dearest GF whom she had mysteriously stopped seeing. This woman was her boss at her seasonal PT job (where my wife met the young man). I asked her if she knew why my wife had not spoken to me in a week. She took a long pause then reluctantly said "I can't take any more of this and I can�t talk to you over the phone, can you come over?" Naturally I rushed to this friend's house.
When I arrived, she informed me that my wife and the co-worker had become very close, enough so that she and everyone in the office were sure the two had started an affair. She told me of my wife�s visits to her, which had become more and more infrequent. She said my wife texted often at her house, she said my wife told her "my lifestyle is over because my husband is not going to be on the road any longer". When asked about the lack of her wedding rings one night my wife replied "I am not really married anymore so why should I wear them". My wife had also asked her to come to the beach with her to meet this younger man and that if I showed up while he was there she could just say "he is a friend of ours from work". The friend told me she felt that my wife had stopped calling her and coming over to see her because my wife knew that she did not approve of her extramarital relationship. Unfortunately she never confronted my wife about it. She then begged me not to tell my wife that she was the one who told me all of this. She asked that I simply read my phone bill and leave her out of it as she still wanted to maintain a relationship with my wife. I left in disbelief. She must be wrong; my wife was incapable of such deceit and dishonesty. We had talked about other couples infidelity. She had said many times, �people should end something before starting another� and �if you ever did something like that, we are through.�
Upon hearing this disconcerting news, I phoned her GF of the aforementioned "girls night out". She informed me she did not want to get involved, she knew of no one by the name of the person my wife was texting and she confirmed the fact that my wife had indeed expressed to her that she was unhappy but assured me my wife was not cheating or planning on it. She assured me my wife loved me or she (GF) would know about it. She later admitted she split up from my wife for hours that night-then later denied she said it! I do regret her being caught in the situation.
Upon confronting my wife about her texting partner, the look she gave me was that of someone who had seen a ghost. She said they were �just friends�. I knew she was lying. I asked her if she was cheating, if she had met him outside of work or kissed him. My wife answered a definitive �no�. Again, I knew but was unwilling to admit it to myself. I wanted so badly to believe her. This was the first of many many times she said, �There is nothing more to tell you� or �I am tired of beating a dead horse.� I asked her to choose between texting him or being married to me.
She then informed me that she was sick of me, sick of our house, and wanted to move out of our home with our daughter. I then asked her what the entire silent treatment was about. She responded that she and one of the previously mentioned FB ex- boyfriends had had several chatting/email exchanges. He told her that I was emailing him and threatening to send his GF edited versions of their conversations unless he stopped contacting her. He then instructed her to lock me out of her computer and phone, spy on me (run through my web history) and to be very careful and secretive, to which she complied with, without questioning me. I was dumfounded and left speechless at her obedience upon receiving and in being complicit carrying out his commands. I of course denied this. She did not believe me. (Months later this FB ex- boyfriend admitted it was in fact his wife that concocted the entire operation posing as me.) I left to gather my thoughts and came back to inform my wife I did not want to be a controlling husband. If in fact they were just friends, I informed her I thought that texting or any friendship between a married woman and a single male is inappropriate. I told her to stop texting him at night, invite him to dinner and we need to be together when one of us goes to bed. She did not respond and I assumed they were still texting. I asked to see the texts-she had deleted them.
I was in such a state of shock and denial along with her threatening to leave I could not demand anything. She had complete control. She said she was getting a new phone, and looking to move.
Over the course of the next few days I started a new job. The following Wednesday she went with a group of women to see the vampire love story movie twilight. She came home and we had sex during which she told me (in a very tiny small voice which I had to ask to repeat several times) �I don�t want to be with anyone else� and �are we going to be able to get through this?� to which I responded in my ignorance to what really happened, �of course baby!� The next morning brought fresh flowers delivered to her work. Her response was �I am afraid you have gotten the wrong impression, nothing has changed, I am still leaving you. Last night I made a mistake. I simply shared my body and showed you some emotion. You had met a purely physical need and that is all. I will not make the same mistake again.
Over the next couple of weeks of begging her to talk with me I had gotten nowhere. I accepted the fact that our marriage was over. How could there be any future with someone so adamantly opposed to even a discussion with their spouse? One night when she was gone I wrote a song about my resignation. She then wrote me a letter in response to my many texts, emails, typed letters as well as a few handwritten notes. In it she stated she felt nothing for me so she texted him to feel something and didn�t (obviously she felt lust at the very least) and upon my confrontation she became overwhelmed with emotion and feelings (though she never once showed any signs of feelings other than extreme irritation with me). She speculated she had started to come back around to me possibly because I had started to pull away.
This was the point I really started to realize my wife had some serious psychological issues. I had experienced these types of relationships in high school. I sank even more into despair. What had I done? I was trying to resuscitate a marriage to someone who was so utterly foreign to the concept of love, devotion and commitment that she played chasing games with the father of her child. Sometime over the next month, without notifying me, she took the lock off of her phone and pc. When she finally told me she did so, after I had been questioning her, I was confused. I asked her after a few drinks one night, during sex, why she did not tell me she had stopped texting him and unlocked her devices. Her response was �I didn�t want you to know that you had control over me and I thought it was funny to watch you squirm.� This comment did even more damage to our already strained marriage.
Over the next 3 months we fought hard. I left 3 separate times for about a week each time. I also later found texts to her ex husband and other friends regarding the fact that I was an [censored] and a horrible husband. During 1 of my absences she emailed the co-worker again and invited him to email or text her sometime and finished it with one of those winking characters ;o) She also answered a friend�s questionnaire and responded that she missed him and that she wished she was with him. (to this day she has no explanation for her actions)
Her friends (including her parents) through all of this have defended her �They are just friends�, �She would never send sexual texts/pics to someone�, �She is telling me the truth�, �I believe her�, �She would never do that�� up until they learn that THEY were being lied to by her. Then they advise me to �put my foot down� or �get into counseling.� (With the exception of her parents who continue to blame me for her affair. (Her friends now comment �well she sure seems more focused and happy now-so whatever you are doing keep it up.�)
Finally, after months of pleading and begging her to tell me what I already knew (that their texting was inappropriate and of a sexual nature, that she had been displaying �lover� type behavior, that she had sent him pictures of her body via text-sexting, that she was with him that �girls night out�) she at last admitted to meeting him at the bar that Friday night. They were �just friends and nothing happened. She said they had a drink (months later she admitted that he kissed her in the bar-then after about 30 min he left to go to a party). When I asked why she withheld this critical information, She broke down and cried (Something she never does) and said, with her face buried in her hands, through her sobs, �I thought you would leave me.� I asked her why she thought I would leave her over having a drink with someone. I asked her why she did not tell me after all the begging and pleading from me. She responded, �I didn�t think you would understand.� Then she said something that surprised me and to which I am still confused over �It took me doing this to get you to notice me?� I told her she had always been in the forefront of my every waking thought. My perception of her was that she seemed uninterested and outright hostile to me most times. I was and always had been in love with her. I admitted to her I had withheld sex from her because of her mean attitude and volatile personality and I was to blame for neglecting her. I told her unless she was currently having an affair, I was committed to her and was going to try and work through this. (A therapist later told me I shouldn�t have given her conditions for my commitment�???)
I made a huge mistake and texted him using her phone. I asked him (In very crude language) if he was masturbating. He replied �Ha! That�s your job�Come over to drink and swim with us� The next day when I asked her about his response, she said, �any man would respond that way after your message.� Again she started to berate me, raised her voice, called me names, disregarded and ignored my questions, lied when answering, denied and ridiculed me, threatened to leave, mocked me with derision, charged me with obsession, acted as if I was crazy, made fun of me, criticized me, shouted in my face, laughed at me, and kept being outright contemptuous, to my face. We fought again I asked her to text him and see what his response would be and she refused. I took her phone and threatened to text him myself. She ran inside the house, locked me out and called the police. I broke the front door down after explaining that I was going to do so if she continued this game. I then gave her back her phone, retrieved mine and went to wait for the police. She called out after me, her mocking voice splitting the into the night �Run away, run away you aren�t a man.� She left the next day with our daughter. She said we are over. I had known it the moment I crashed through the door.
Eventually, after more begging and pleading for my wife to admit to me that which I already knew, she recanted her previous claims of innocence when faced with perceived proof. I told her I had sent her sim card to a forensic phone detective (my last ditch effort of a bluff-Here I was stooping to this level-lying in order to obtain truth) and he had over 1200 texts and pictures recovered for me. �Do you have anything to tell me before I spend the money to retrieve them?� She then admitted to sexting, pics, inappropriate conversations and the fact that she told him she would come to meet him as soon as she could get away. I was elated, relieved, exhausted, �anything but angry. I finally had another breakthrough of honesty. I was more happy for her. She could now begin to heal. Her burden was lifted. (or was it?) We went to a sex shop, bought a few items and headed home to enjoy each other for the first time in our marriage in total honesty (albeit forced) �or so I thought. I was on a roll right? I could ask her anything now! We talked dirty I asked her to recount some of her sexual history, while we had a marathon sexual encounter. No holds barred, raw, intimate. As we drifted off to sleep she asked me to forgive her. She showed no remorse or emotion. The next day she told me all of the stories were made up fantasies. God please no! More lies?
After months of therapy she was still refusing my pleading for her to write a �No contact� letter to him. He obviously had no closure for he tried contacting her months after they had stopped (if indeed they had). I had no closure and still felt threatened by her refusal. More importantly, she had no closure in her own mind. It was at this point I started to grow a pair and demanded her to write the letter. First draft was horrible-apologizing for contacting him, wishing him good luck-absolutely sickening. I gave her a few suggestions-once again-and poof. Out came a letter that sounded sincere, genuine, humble and spoke of mistakes and love for me and our family, of her desire and resolve to regain integrity. He of course disobeyed her request and answered he was happy for her and that what he enjoyed most about her was her personality. Really? She claims she was mean, sarcastic, rude, derogatory and dismissive of him. Who would enjoy that? What else of her was there for him to enjoy?
I have asked her point blank so many times before and since then �what were you doing for those 3 hours of inactivity according to our phone bill?� Her answer is always "I don't remember." So she expects me to believe that a 24yr old guy that she had been sexting back and forth with for months often till 3am, finally gets to hook up with her when she is so drunk she can�t remember what happened, and he chose to leave her after kissing her in the bar, and go to a party. Along with the fact that she cannot tell me what happened ��it�s kind of fuzzy� she said. Indeed. This not only insults my intelligence but it doesn't take a detective to figure out what she was doing those 3 hours.
We are coming close to the anniversary of D day (the day of discovery). She still cannot admit that she spent 3 hours with him that night. She knows I know. I have made it very clear. I have told her I cannot move on until she tells me the story of her affair in order to be supportive of her tendencies, weaknesses, desires, as well as being supportive of her efforts to prevent an affair from happening again. My wife is a very attractive woman- unscrupulous men and women will continue to flirt, make advances and pursue her sexually.
My wife has done much to change and speaks of her desire to show me that she does love me and her desire to rebuild trust with me, including; being affectionate as opposed to cold and distant, been more timely, telling me where she is and what she is doing, sharing the events of her life with me and the hardest thing-being a more submissive wife due to her own admission of self destructiveness. She admits she lacks self control, focus, an ability to be respectful to me or herself, among many other issues. One thing she has said that I have read many times before is �That�s not the kind of person I am.� Yeah, obviously she is.
I grew up in a Mayberryesque town. I enjoyed a very supportive and open minded loving mother. Dad left at age 9 but remained in my life. She came from a horribly sexual and physically abusive childhood. Her mother is a narcissistic monster who has been married 3-4 times.
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We tried counseling several times with different therapists but she is not opening up in that environment. I feel she is having difficulty being vulnerable in any way but sexually-and then only if I initiate and tell her what to do, wear, what position, etc-exhausting. She struggles with apologizing for her attitude, negative assumptions, condescension, sarcasm or temper. It is with great effort, she admits, to communicate what she wants. She says she only knows what she doesn�t want.
In order to bring my wife and our family back to a state of safety and happiness, I continue to demand respect and usually receive it. Now she says she trusts me completely, in that I will not leave her or use revenge or her submission to exact punishment for her past indiscretions.
She offers to do anything I wish with this 1 exception. I still hear the same �There is nothing more to tell you, you already know everything.� -The same thing that I have heard since the day of discovery. She has said she would do anything for me. This is only apparent if I require something of her. She rarely can do it on her own. She says she cannot figure out how to show me that she loves me and only me. I have given her many examples of ways to do just that. She is eager to show me sexually. Yet still unable to show me verbally or via the written word.
She also claims she does not have time to read the mountain of letters I have written to her that has built up over the last 6 months. I think she is afraid to read how I felt back then. I have told her I cannot move on until she reads how I felt, tells me the before, during and after story of her and this guy for the first 6 months of 2010 and the last 6 months of 2010. She went from desperately trying to leave me-to loving me and promising me she is willing to do ANYTHING I ask of her. She told me recently, that the first 3-4 months after I found out, she simply never realized how much I loved her and what a powerful effect my persistence had, staying with her through all of her lies and deceitfulness and working on myself as well as our marriage through this ordeal. She claims (sadly) that she could not or would not have had my capacity to forgive and persevere. I just want to be there to recognize her weakness, share her excitement, and support her when it happens again. There has been a certain sexual energy borne of this travesty, it does excite me, I think that�s one of the reasons I want to hear how she felt and how it happened. She had no problem finding the time to text him to the brink of the destruction of our marriage, yet she cannot find the time to read how I feel to enable us to repair my trust and our marriage. She claims texting him took no brain power, my letters require her extreme focus.
I feel I cannot completely trust her because she still withholds intimate information from me while sharing with others. Most recently: our daughters acceptance into a school that is logistically not an option for us; our taxes not being filed for the last 4 yrs-btw her pt job where she met the OM was at a tax filling business; comes home late and drunk after I have asked her specifically not to; I have to pull every thought, emotion and intimacy out of her by lots of talking (mostly me) going through her texts and emails or through sex. She has said in the past she was dishonest because she didn�t want to hurt me or she thought I would leave her when faced with her actions. (Selfish and egotistic -meaning SHE didn�t want to hurt; and in not trusting me to be mature enough or strong enough to love her unconditionally)
I don't feel I have any anger left about the affair. It is the lying and berating she put me through that I am still resentful of. We have tried counseling. She simply has nothing to say. The silence is painful. When the counselor pushes her to respond ("what do you think of that?") It is "I don't know." On the rare occasion when she does say something it is to justify something that I have expressed hurt over. She truly believes in her mind things that did not happen and has completely forgotten things that did. Ex: I had a tooth pulled during 2010. We talked a great deal about it when it happened (she had 2 pulled less than 2 yrs prior for her braces and major tooth surgery) Now she claims no recollection of it; When I give her something to read, she does so and when talking about it later, completely replaces words and context which alters the meanings of what was written; Example; I was feeling not so amorous toward her (which is rare) and she was trying to joke and be affectionate. I left and texted her �Don�t stop doing what you are doing to/for me� When I walked in the door she said �What the hell do you want me to stop doing to you NOW?� I explained that she failed to read the first word of the text. Her response after re-reading it was �Oh.� She does the same with my spoken words. We have been to 2 different therapists who are simply not addressing these issues. They claim it is natural!!!
She claims it isn�t worth it to voice things she feels I shouldn�t be bothered with-such as her feelings. Through these talking sessions I feel she is starting to learn to trust me with her feelings, to be more vulnerable, trusting, intimate, and optimistic. More and more often, she is showing me physical intimacy-even in front of the kids and our fr/fam. Sometimes she likes to cuddle now and kiss me (???). That is totally new. I feel this is an amazing change. She is learning to look at the big picture. We discovered through our talks she was not �getting� what she needed from me (Intimacy, genuine interest, friendship, shared responsibilities) not because I wasn�t giving it but because she was not �giving� it. �She is now a much happier person in general day to day life, though now and then she does act out in order to test my Dominant nature, (maybe so that she may feel loved?). She talks about how negative everything seemed before-how she thrived on it-how she felt her sarcasm and pessimism made her friends laugh. How she felt empowered by being negative and mean.
She meets 7 0f 9 DSM-IV-TR traits in studies suggesting the signs and symptoms of Borderline Personality Disorder or Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder. The only trait she is not displaying is suicidal or self-harming behavior. We are talking at least 1 night /week and discussing my dealing with and her learning to control her raging, projecting, mind reading, avoidant and ambivalent behavior, pessimism, selfishness, limited coping and communication skills-she can communicate but chooses not to, maybe because of what she assumes will happen if she does (feeling she may hurt my feelings or I will not understand her). Her friends and family are unaware of her personality at home, in private. Some have suggested she is emotionless and has a bad temper.
We have a 5yr old daughter and she is the reason I am still here.
Her friends and family have always maintained they know her better than I do, �She is just not an affectionate person�-girlfriends. �If you are expecting her to be nice you should leave. Don�t make her mad or she will leave you.�-her mom. Her friends and family have always maintained her integrity and honesty, �One thing she isn�t, is a liar/cheater. She would never cheat on you. She would never leave you. They are just friends. Nothing much happened. Etc� Even though she has admitted much to me, they still believe her??? They say that whatever happened there are two sides to every story and it is inconsequential, in the past and that she is making herself vulnerable by staying with me. (HA!) They have been wrong at every single turn. Some of our friends have suggested she is telling the truth. IE: �He left to go to a party, she stayed, danced, drank and nothing really happened.� I am amazed at these friends naivet�. Or do they simply want me to stay with her because of her weakness??? Her own father told me �once she says she is done, she is done� She has told me �she is done� 100 times.
The counselors and therapists argue with me and tell me I am wrong to assume or accuse without solid evidence. I believe the phone records and her inability to explain are proof enough. We have seen 3 different therapists now and I feel I have made more progress and we are further along as a result of my own research, subsequent intimacy/communication exercises and efforts. I just wish she could be batted into reality by a Dr. Phil type instead of by me. She must have resentment towards me for pulling all of this out of her and explaining (as nicely as possible) that she was insane/childish and there will be no healing until she admits everything to me, tells her story, and gets individual counseling. This comes from the book �Not Just Friends� by Shirley Glass-Best book on the market for affairs. I told the counselor I wanted to ask my wife to read it. He said �I think that would just make her mad� This guy is a moron with 50 marriage counseling plaques on his wall. ???
Things were going better now they are falling back into the way it used to be. I am still in massive pain. Still a constant rollercoaster. I fear her constant use of the term �I don�t care� will be the swansong of our marriage. This is her standard answer to my questions from sex to what we eat for dinner. Or maybe this is another sign of her low self esteem-she doesn�t feel she deserves to even be asked?
She has not apologized to me for so many things. She claims she has. I suggested writing me a letter so as to not keep having this argument over whether or not she has apologized. She has not written me anything.
She claims this all happened because I neglected her emotionally and physically. She has also admitted it is she who cannot show emotion, talk about her feelings, and initiate sex or intimacy. What do you do with that?
Our couple�s therapist (3rd one) tells me I am doing a good job in not pressuring her to talk about this. I told him I think my wife has a personality disorder. He said �that is accusatory and isn�t a very productive statement.�
I believe most of her behavior is learned-comes from her mother, She is a horrible narcissist.
Here is the text from her mother: �I have no need, desire or time to meet him and listen once again to his "side" of the story. As I have said before - even if you had a ranging all out total full on affair with this young man- it would show that you were not in a loving happy respectful marriage. If you were then this situation would not have happened. His continued lack of forgiveness and responsibility on his part along with his need for vindication and audience continues to make me sure that his need to be right and have the world pronounce him the wounded party far out weighs his love or respect for you. And what is love with out respect. he will not be happy until you wear a scarlet letter and are stoned in the square. Again I say grow up- life happens - move on and if he Cant or won't then I am sorry for him. If he spent half the time living you as he has belittling you and justifying himself, again we would not be having this problem. I hope he does not ruin Christmas for you or the family. I want you to be with someone who treats you like your dad treats me. Your husband has a very long way to go. Feel free to let him read this�
My question is how do I continue in my efforts to support my wife (emotionally and sexually) if she cannot or will not admit being with the OM even in the face of proof via the timeline provided through phone/text msgs? The answers to all of my questions are: "I don't know", I don't remember" or the most recent, "I am so sorry, I was so selfish" (I thought that was an improvement over her previous answers or the lack of admissions.) How can I be honest and share my needs, desires and plans for us without these admissions and proof of her ability to tell the truth? Every time she tells me "that�s all there is" there is always more. It is a never-ending rabbit hole. I love her, am beginning to develop trust for her again, however I am disturbed with her apparent character flaws or personality disorder. It has been a year now. I grow more angry and weary daily.
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You posted this same (long!) post on 5-18 and received many responses. What have you done so far?
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You posted this same (long!) post on 5-18 and received many responses. What have you done so far? It is probably best to click on first thread to post to this dude.... *** LINK ***
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Knight, it looks like you are posting on a variety of websites such as marriagehelper and experience project?
Are you reviewing any of the replies you have received to date?
Whole lot of writing but are you listening?
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Either way, I hope they are counting per word posted when figuring out which is the most popular sites. That first post is enough for the whole day
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Word count 6887...isn't that a "novella"....
Me 55, XWH 53, M 22 years D17, D30 alien replaces my husband "I'm not happy" -7/08 Discover OW-8/08 (his direct report and I work there also) H moves out 10/1/08, confront Ow 10/28/08 Plan B 1/09 D final 12/09
Quote: "First thing you do is pray; when there is nothing else to do, continue to pray."
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Maybe this is why the site was down. 
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Personally, I'd rather follow the MB lifestyle as the **edit** lifestyle.
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Last edited by Fireproof; 06/13/11 06:00 PM. Reason: TOS inappropriate
Me: 30 Him: 39 Together 5 years Married the very best man in the world 04/06/2013 after being common law for too long. I'm a lucky woman. 7 Cats - Viscount Ashley of Leftfield, Pawkie Petunia, The Timinator, Leo the Lionheart, Fruit Snack, Cloud, and Barret And our very lucky pony, Starbucks
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Maybe this is why the site was down.  Here is the "Reader's Digest version" My WW is a wayward. I am shocked that she lies all the time since being in the A. I can't understand why she cannot be honest (just like the other Million Waywards) What should I do... Answer: Marriage Builders. 
Me 55, XWH 53, M 22 years D17, D30 alien replaces my husband "I'm not happy" -7/08 Discover OW-8/08 (his direct report and I work there also) H moves out 10/1/08, confront Ow 10/28/08 Plan B 1/09 D final 12/09
Quote: "First thing you do is pray; when there is nothing else to do, continue to pray."
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My Lord! That is a novel! Who has time to read all that? How about cutting that back to about 3 paragraphs so people have the time to read it? There is no point that needs that many words to make your point. We don't need all that to GET it. Thanks for the condensed version, hope! 
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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1. You believe your W hasn't told you everything. 2. Your W is suggesting that she has
The only answer I can see is that you request that she submit herself to a polygraph, with your promise that you will not raise the subject again if the polygraph shows that she is not lying about what happened that night, and the extend of her relationship with the OM.
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