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Originally Posted by Rockydugan
I am not sure on how to close the 950ml gap either frown
You haven't answered my question, rocky. Did you kick that loser out and end your affair?


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Originally Posted by Strike2
Hi everyone, I want to let my wife know how proud of her I am that she has taken this first step. We are still 950 miles away from each other.


Originally Posted by Rockydugan
I am not sure on how to close the 950ml gap either frown

Originally Posted by Strike2
Guy's my wife can really use your help. I know we are all waiting for her to end the relationship with her BF because until that happens their is nothing to fix. As for the 950 miles, if or when that will be down the road.

When I read this I got goose bumps! Just came in from doing yard work and saw this.

S2 you know what you have to do....right? I suggest you start your own thread and promise each other you will keep off of each others for a while.

Rocky you know what you have to do...right?

Originally Posted by nesre
I left the OWGFLeave the OM behind dead in the water and lived by myself for 3 months. During that time W and I started seeing each other again.

If there is any way to be together as soon as possible when this happens It would would help Rocky through withdrawl. No MB's experience when I went through this. S2 you need to be there to help Rocky through this critical time.

I did go once to the establishment OW worked in after being back together (with a reliable family friend) with my W and let me tell you there was He!! to pay.

Don't see or communicate with the OM in any way. shape, or form.........EVER!

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How Affairs Should End

Make sure to carefully read this and discuss it together. Dr. Harley says there is a narrow path to Recovery and deviations from the plan can be disasterous or if not followed can leave a M crippled.

Read.Ask questions.

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Originally Posted by maritalbliss
Originally Posted by Rockydugan
I am not sure on how to close the 950ml gap either frown
You haven't answered my question, rocky. Did you kick that loser out and end your affair?
No she has not.


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A sure way to lose happiness, I found, is to want it at the expense of everything else.

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Originally Posted by nesre
Originally Posted by Strike2
Hi everyone, I want to let my wife know how proud of her I am that she has taken this first step. We are still 950 miles away from each other.


Originally Posted by Rockydugan
I am not sure on how to close the 950ml gap either frown

Originally Posted by Strike2
Guy's my wife can really use your help. I know we are all waiting for her to end the relationship with her BF because until that happens their is nothing to fix. As for the 950 miles, if or when that will be down the road.

When I read this I got goose bumps! Just came in from doing yard work and saw this.

S2 you know what you have to do....right? I suggest you start your own thread and promise each other you will keep off of each others for a while.

Rocky you know what you have to do...right?

Originally Posted by nesre
I left the OWGFLeave the OM behind dead in the water and lived by myself for 3 months. During that time W and I started seeing each other again.

If there is any way to be together as soon as possible when this happens It would would help Rocky through withdrawl. No MB's experience when I went through this. S2 you need to be there to help Rocky through this critical time.

I did go once to the establishment OW worked in after being back together (with a reliable family friend) with my W and let me tell you there was He!! to pay.

Don't see or communicate with the OM in any way. shape, or form.........EVER!

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How Affairs Should End

Make sure to carefully read this and discuss it together. Dr. Harley says there is a narrow path to Recovery and deviations from the plan can be disasterous or if not followed can leave a M crippled.

Read.Ask questions.

Best wishes for you two

nESRE
Thanks nesre, I agree I will stay off her thread.


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Originally Posted by maritalbliss
Originally Posted by Rockydugan
I am not sure on how to close the 950ml gap either frown
You haven't answered my question, rocky. Did you kick that loser out and end your affair?
There's talking, and there's doing. They ain't the same, Rocky.
It's time for you to put up or shut up.


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Rocky why are you still seeing the OM?

More important why are you silent on this subject when posters ask you?

Rocky you are showing that you don't want to recover your marriage, you are showing that you don't want to let go.

Selfish to keep two men in your life.

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Hi Rocky,

Please listen to the advice that you are being given. Kick out OM right away and end contact with him. Until you do, you cannot begin to recover your marriage. Once you do that, try and find a way to be a family again with the children, mom and dad under the safe roof.

Your BH is giving you a huge gift by giving you a chance at potentially recovering your marriage.

Until you end contact, there is nothing more you can do and you are making your BH and children suffer.

How your affair should end:
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5060_qa.html

Recovery:
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5065_qa.html
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5061_qa.html


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Rocky, you have no hope of recovering your marriage as long as that loser is occupying space in your life.

Are you serious about recovering your marriage, or not?


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I did talk to the om yesterday an told
him how I felt an that I wanted him to move out

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is he out, demand it if you are serious, this has to be over if you are serious, do you want to be a better woman or not.........


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Originally Posted by Rockydugan
I did talk to the om yesterday an told
him how I felt an that I wanted him to move out

That doesn't make any sense. Why are you talking to him about it? Is it some kind of joint decision you have to make with him, or something?


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He sent me a message today saying he would have his stuff out by Friday asked if I was sure I wanted him out an I said yes have not talked to him since! I called my husband an told him the whole convo

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didn't mean talk to him lik it was a joint decision thing meant talk to him about wanting him to move out.

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Originally Posted by Rockydugan
He sent me a message today saying he would have his stuff out by Friday asked if I was sure I wanted him out an I said yes have not talked to him since! I called my husband an told him the whole convo

Rocky

Way to go!! Dead in the water........

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my husband is having a hard day today and I wish I knew how to help him reasure him just make it all better for him but idk how or if it's possible even

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Rocky

Tell him to start a thread here asap

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my husband and I talked a lot today and for the first time in a really long time we actually talked lik normal people.

I can tell he has done a lot of work on his self he is being nice even when I know it's not easy. I am trying to answer all his questions

talking has always been a weak point of mine so hard enough talking about my feelings on all our issue's in the marriage and the om

but he wants details on the ya know....
I answered what he had asked (extremely difficult) I don't understand why he wants to know the details

he has been in that way with a girl while we have been going throgh this idk when how long nothing

I would rather keep it that way idw to know any details about him and another girl in that way

I think it's just going to hurt him more add details to dwell over and reseant me for I am answering them but not understanding at all!

He ask questions that he isn't going to beielve what I am saying anyways thinking I am telling him what he wants to hear.

I just dont' see where its going to help us seeing it doing more damage if anything.

I understand I created this mess we find our marriage in and that is why I am willing to do what ever he needs and what's important to him even though I don't agree that this convo is goig to help!

I have many fears an I guess hurting him more by giving answers to detailed questions in this matter make those fears much closer to reality

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No, you have it wrong, Rocky.

The reasons you need to put the truth out there are as follows:

(1) If you leave it for him to imagine the truth, he can, may and sometimes will imagine the truth to be even worse than what it actually was. By telling him the truth, you will at least allow him to draw limits around some of his mental suffering. [Someone, please find the link to "Joseph's Letter" for Rocky.]

(2) By offering him the full truth, by answering the questions he asks you, you will be demonstrating a commitment to be open and honest with him. If you read up on "Emotional Needs" on this site, you'll realize that openness & honesty are among the most important emotional needs most spouses have, especially in the aftermath of an affair. This is huge.

(3) You haven't got the right to decide FOR him what truth is enough for him to handle. He is not a 3-year old, he is a grown man & he is your husband. By concealing truth from him & evading his questions, you will be disrespecting him at a very fundamental level. That's not a solid foundation for building a better marriage. Show him at least the minimal, basic respect to let HIM decide for himself what he wants to know.

It doesn't matter that he may not have come clean on past issues of his. Two wrongs don't make a right. YOUR job right now is to clean up YOUR side of the street. (Yes, he would be well-advised to do the same for his side, but that should have no bearing on what YOU do.) You either go all-in on recovering a broken marriage after an affair (and see how good it can get, as I have learned); or else you'll fail if you're not all-in, 100% committed.


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Originally Posted by GloveOil
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[Someone, please find the link to "Joseph's Letter" for Rocky.]

Joseph's Letter


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"To Whomever,

"I know you are feeling the pain of guilt and confusion. I understand that you wish all this never happened and that you wish it would just go away. I can even believe that you truly love me and that your indiscretion hurts you emotionally much the same way it hurts me. I understand your apprehension to me discovering little by little, everything that led up to your indiscretion, everything that happened that night, and everything that happened afterwards. I understand. No one wants to have a mistake or misjudgment thrown in his or her face repeatedly. No one wants to be forced to "look" at the thing that caused all their pain over and over again. I can actually see, that through your eyes, you are viewing this whole thing as something that just needs to go away, something that is over, that he/she doesn't mean anything to you, so why is it such a big issue? I can understand you wondering why I torture myself with this continuously, and thinking, doesn't he/she know by now that I love him/her? I can see how you can feel this way and how frustrating it must be. But for the remainder of this letter I'm going to ask you to view my reality through my eyes.

"You were there. There is no detail left out from your point of view. Like a puzzle, you have all the pieces and you are able to reconstruct them and be able to understand the whole picture, the whole message, or the whole meaning. You know exactly what that picture is and what it means to you and if it can effect your life and whether or not it continues to stir your feelings. You have the pieces, the tools, and the knowledge. You can move through your life with 100% of the picture you compiled. If you have any doubts, then at least you're carrying all the information in your mind and you can use it to derive conclusions or answers to your doubts or question. You carry all the "STUFF" to figure out OUR reality. There isn't really any information, or pieces to the puzzle that you don't have.

"Now let's enter my reality. Let's both agree that this affects our lives equally. The outcome no matter what it is well affect us both. Our future and our present circumstances are every bit as important to me as it is to you. So, why then is it okay for me to be left in the dark? Do I not deserve to know as much about the night that nearly destroyed our relationship as you do? Just like you, I am also able to discern the meaning of certain particulars and innuendoes of that night and just like you, I deserve to be given the opportunity to understand what nearly brought our relationship down. To assume that I can move forward and accept everything at face value is unrealistic and unless we stop thinking unrealistically I doubt our lives well ever "feel" complete. You have given me a puzzle. It is a 1000 piece puzzle and 400 random pieces are missing. You expect me to assemble the puzzle without the benefit of looking at the picture on the box. You expect me to be able to discern what I am looking at and to appreciate it in the same context as you. You want me to be as comfortable with what I see in the picture as you are. When I ask if there was a tree in such and such area of the picture you tell me don't worry about it, it's not important. When I ask whether there were any animals in my puzzle you say don't worry about it, it's not important. When I ask if there was a lake in that big empty spot in my puzzle you say, what's the difference, it's not important. Then later when I'm expected to "understand" the picture in my puzzle you fail to understand my disorientation and confusion. You expect me to feel the same way about the picture as you do but deny me the same view as you. When I express this problem you feel compelled to admonish me for not understanding it, for not seeing it the way you see it. You wonder why I can't just accept whatever you chose to describe to me about the picture and then be able to feel the same way you feel about it.

"So, you want me to be okay with everything. You think you deserve to know and I deserve to wonder. You may honestly feel that the whole picture, everything that happened is insignificant because in your heart you know it was a mistake and wish it never happened. But how can I know that? Faith? Because you told me so? Would you have faith if the tables were turned? Don't you understand that I want to believe you completely? But how can I? I can never know what is truly in your mind and heart. I can only observe you actions, and what information I have acquired and slowly, over time rebuild my faith in your feelings. I truly wish it were easier.

"So, there it is, as best as I can put it. That is why I ask questions. That is where my need to know is derived from. And that is why it is unfair for you to think that we can effectively move forward and unfair for you to accuse me of dwelling on the past. My need to know stems from my desire to hold our world together. It doesn't come from jealousy, it doesn't come from spitefulness, and it doesn't come from a desire to make you suffer. It comes from the fact that I love you. Why else would I put myself through this? Wouldn't it be easier for me to walk away? Wouldn't it be easier to consider our relationship a bad mistake in my life and to move on to better horizons? Of course it would, but I can't and the reason I can't is because I love you and that reason in itself makes all the difference in the world."

(end of Joseph's Letter)
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