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I honestly dont know what else to do.


Hold your WH accountable for his behavior. Below is what Mel wrote to a BS who discovered WW's A. Has you WH committed to acting on the four items listed?

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Can someone go over with me the terms I am telling her to agree to if she caves in when this happens? I have probably read them a hundred times in the site, but what do I want for boundaries? NC for life plus what?

Ask her to send him a no contact letter, written together, approved by you and mailed together. [use the one in SAA] Extraordinary precautions must be taken to prevent a repeat contact, such as cancelling her email account and giving you her cell phone. Put the onus on her.

Tell her "look, I am willing to give this a try if you do certain things to make me safe and commit to making this a romantic, passionate marriage. Otherwise, I am not interested because I know I will be facing a future of hell. I am not interested in staying in a loveless marriage or a marriage where I have to worry about an affair. Here is what it will take to interest me in staying in this marriage:

1. no contact for life with OM - send him a letter that we write together

2. delete your email account and set up a joint one with me

3. add any other items that will effectively affair proof your marriage

4. commit to a program of recovery for our marriage that will result in romantic love

If she says she doesn't want to do those things, then just say 'ok, I will be escalating this to a new level and will get back to you.' Then come back here.


Your WH needs to follow these rules by action not words.
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Four Rules to Guide Marital Recovery
After you(WS) are through withdrawal from the addiction to your lover, your depression will have lifted and you will no longer feel a craving to talk to your lover. At that time you will be ready to put into place rules that will guide you and your husband toward a deep love for each other. After you have followed the rules for a while (six months to two years), you and your husband will be soul-mates.

These are the Four Rules to Guide Marital Recovery that you and your husband should follow to help you restore your love for eachother:

1. The Rule of Protection: Avoid being the cause of your spouse's unhappiness.

If you and your husband want to be in love with each other, you must build your Love Bank accounts. But before you build them, you must be sure there are no leaks in the Love Bank. It's pointless to deposit love units into a sieve, where every deposit is promptly withdrawn by a Love Buster. So you must make a special effort to plug up those leaks by committing yourselves to avoid being the cause of each other's unhappiness.

The most obvious things spouses do to ruin their love for each other is what I call Love Busters. They are angry outbursts, disrespectful judgments, annoying behavior, selfish demands and dishonesty. I describe these destructive habits in my basic concepts, but if you need special help learning how to avoid them, I suggest you read, Love Busters: Overcoming Habits that Destroy Romantic Love. This book will help you identify the Love Busters that keep emptying your Love Bank accounts, and show you how to stop inflicting them on each other.

Most of the Q&A columns I've posted on the Marriage Buildersᆴ web site focuses attention on the Policy of Joint Agreement (never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your spouse). This policy protects both you and your husband from each other thoughtless decisions. Your affair was a blatant example of thoughtlessness on your part because you knew it would hurt your husband, but you went ahead and did it anyway. The Policy of Joint Agreement is a very important guide to helping you keep the Rule of Protection. That's because it helps you realize that anything you do that hurts your husband is off limits to you, regardless of how wonderful it makes you feel.

If you had followed the Policy of Joint Agreement, you would never have had an affair. But the Policy will also help you avoid hurting each other in a host of other ways, too. My book, Fall in Love, Stay in Love, can help you learn how to follow the Policy of Joint Agreement, and use it to negotiate agreements that are fair for both of you. Once you learn to negotiate with each other fairly, you will have learned how to follow the Rule of Protection.

2. The Rule of Care: Meet your spouse's most important emotional needs.

The way to deposit the most love units is to meet a person's most important emotional needs. Your lover did that when he wrote you all those e-mail letters because conversation was your most important emotional need. After one month of filling your Love Bank with thousands of love units that were e-mailed to you, you found him irresistible -- you were in love with him.

Conversation is not your only important emotional need. Affection, recreational companionship, admiration and sexual fulfillment may be some of the other important emotional needs that your lover met. Unless your husband eventually meets your must important needs as well as your lover met them, you will be frustrated and at risk for another affair.

Sometimes a spouse must learn to meet a need that he or she has never been very effective in meeting. Many of the spouses I've counseled have had to learn to be affectionate for the first time in their lives. They also have had to learn to be stimulating conversationalists and skilled lovers. They have had to learn to provide greater financial support, become more effective in their parenting skills and learn to become admiring instead of being critical. New habits that lead to need fulfillment can be learned by anyone. All it takes is a plan and willingness to follow it until expert level is achieved.

But your husband may already know how to meet your emotional needs. An important reason that you had an affair was that your husband's work schedule prevented him from giving you the attention you craved from him. When you and your husband agree to follow this second Rule to Recovery, his work schedule will no longer stand between you, because meeting your needs will become your husband's highest priority. All the needs that your lover was meeting for you will be met by your husband in the future.

If you need help identifying and learning how to meet each other's important emotional needs, I suggest you read, His Needs, Her Needs: Building an Affair-proof Marriage. It describes the ten most important emotional needs for men and women, and how to become an expert at meeting those needs. When your husband has learned to meet your needs, he will be depositing so many love units that his account in your Love Bank will be overflowing. By then, you will be thoroughly convinced that leaving your lover to rebuild your marriage was the right decision to make.

3: The Rule of Time: Give your spouse your undivided attention.

You indicated in your letter that it was the lack of your spouse's attention that drove you into the arms of your lover. But it may have been more a lack of time than a lack of attention. As I already mentioned, your husband may already know how to meet your emotional needs, but unless he sets aside enough time to do it, all of his skill does you no good at all. It's the man who gives you time for undivided attention who will win your heart.

I suggest that you and your husband plan to spend at least 15 hours each week together, giving each other your undivided attention. Use that time to meet each other's emotional needs for affection, conversation, recreational companionship and sexual fulfillment. I have found that if that amount of time is taken to meet emotional needs, you can spend the rest of your 100 waking hours each week doing just about anything you please, without any risk to your love for each other. But if you do not set aside that time, your good intentions will not buy you a single love unit.

Since most everything we do must be scheduled or we don't do it, I suggest you take about a half an hour each week (say, Sunday afternoon from 3:30 to 4:00) to schedule your time together for the next week. Get out your schedules and write each other into your appointment books. Once scheduled, don't let anything interfere with your time together.

I suggest spending the same days and times together every week because it's easier to remember than a new time each week. Besides, you can be better emotionally prepared to be with each other if you always know that Tuesday evening you will be together from 7 to 10.

I also suggest that you spend time together when you have plenty of energy. Don't give each other the leftovers, give each other the best of yourselves. That's why I generally rule out time together after 11:00 pm. For one thing, you need your sleep for the challenges of the next day, and for another, there are not too many people who are at their best that late at night.

Finally, I suggest that you spread your time out every week, giving each other at least one hour of undivided attention every day. I am generally opposed to cramming all of your time together into a marathon weekend of 15 hours, because undivided attention is required, and 15 hours of anything makes undivided attention almost impossible.

4. The Rule of Honesty: Be completely honest with your spouse.

We have already discussed honesty as an extraordinary precaution to prevent you from contacting your lover, so I won't say much more about it. But what you begin as an extraordinary precaution, must become the standard way you and your husband communicate with each other -- with openness and honesty.

You have not been honest with your husband. If you had been honest, you could never have had an affair. Your honesty is your husband's greatest protection because it lets him know what you are up to. It also helps you both make adjustments to each other. Instead of having an affair, you should have told him how unhappy you were with his negligence of you, and how you were falling in love with another man who would give you his time and attention. If you had ended the budding relationship then, and focused on getting more of your husband's undivided attention, you would not have put both of you through such an ordeal.

The Basic Concepts section of this web site contains a section entitled, "the Policy of Radical Honesty." It outlines precisely what the rule of honesty is. It's complete honesty. I want you to read it over very carefully, because it explains precisely how honest you and your husband are to be with each other.

But be careful not to let Love Busters ruin the purity and value of honesty. Keep anger, disrespect and demands out of your honest expression of facts and feelings. If you can do that, you will find your honesty will not only help you find solutions to your problems, but it will also draw you closer together, and help you become the soul-mates that you can be.

If you are willing to permanently end your relationship with your lover (never see or communicate with him again), get through withdrawal, and then you and your husband follow the Four Rules to Guide Marital Recovery, I guarantee you that you will have a great marriage. And I also guarantee you that neither of you will ever suffer through an affair again


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WH is lavishing me with attention and spending every free moment with me. Took me to a romantic restaurant for his birthday and brings me flowers. Says he will do anything I ask to win me back. He is willing to see any therapist and to take a polygraph and has sent a NC letter.

I am pretty sure he is genuine in his efforts. The trouble is, I do not feel like I am in love with him anymore. I have come to realize that he was verbally abusive about my weight and my sexual history for the majority of our relationship(i am not that big btw--especially after the infidelity diet I have about 5 lbs until ideal). I am very very angry and I am uncertain that I can get past it. I have always been very very good to him. I know I tried to meet his emotional needs but he always poo pooed all of my efforts. So, I am not motivated anymore. I am tired of trying to make him happy and I am not too keen on him trying to make me happy either. If it weren't for the kids, I would give up.

I am sure I am not the only one to have felt this way. I have read SAA and all of the articles on the website regarding resentment. I guess I am in the withdrawal phase of a marriage. Is it worth riding this out? I am feeling really fed up.

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Originally Posted by roroma
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I am pretty sure he is genuine in his efforts. The trouble is, I do not feel like I am in love with him anymore. I have come to realize that he was verbally abusive about my weight and my sexual history for the majority of our relationship(i am not that big btw--especially after the infidelity diet I have about 5 lbs until ideal). I am very very angry and I am uncertain that I can get past it. I have always been very very good to him. I know I tried to meet his emotional needs but he always poo pooed all of my efforts. So, I am not motivated anymore. I am tired of trying to make him happy and I am not too keen on him trying to make me happy either. If it weren't for the kids, I would give up.

roroma, feeling angry and out of love is a result of his affair. It took me a while to fall back in love with my husband too. It sounds like he is doing the right things so give it time. Your anger will blow over if you both work hard to recover this marriage.

My concern is that you are still living next to this OW. Is that the case? Because if you are still neighbors, he will not withdraw from her and you are facing more contact. You will not recover either if you have to see the OW on occasion. Her presence will keep you both perpetually triggered.



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thanks for the reply melody. yes, ow lives on the next block. we do not have the money to move right now and we are on a one year lease with six months remaining. also, my mom just moved in four doors down from us. this would mean we would all have to uproot. my mother, my sil and i have all written letters to ow asking her to leave. she replied saying that it is something she is strongly considering. i will not be initiating any further contact with her, but there were some things i needed to say to her and sending the letter made me feel much better.

for at least the next six months, there is not much I can do except for plan an exit. i cant even begin to say how sad i would be to leave this place. aside from ow being a neighbor, this is my dream community and an amazing home for my kids to grow up in. i know how important is it to get away from her. oh how i wish i could harrass her out of this neighborhood. she ruined her own family here too by having a pa when she was married. she doesnt deserve this community that is my hometown. sigh.


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I am so sorry about that, roroma. I would be a walking anxiety attack if I had to be neighbors with an OW and deal with daily triggers. It won't be your dream community if your marriage ends up in divorce because you didn't move away from the OW.


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RR, is there any way that you could sublet the place? That way you would be able to get out. Dunno if it is legal where you are. As far as everyone else who lives around there, they can come visit YOU.

I'm with Mel, it would be way too hard for me to live anywhere near OW. Give it some thought.


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No can do on the sublet. We had to jump through hoops to get into this place and its not legal to sublet here. It would be really hard to leave my mom because she is my main support in terms of watching the kids when i need to do something like, i dunno, shower. I, and everyone who knows of the A, am sending vibes of disain in the direction of ow. I am crossing my fingers that she gets out of dodge so that I dont have to.


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roroma, just keep in mind that your marriage can't recover this way and you are likely facing an on again, off again affair. Living so close will keep your H in a perpetual state of withdrawal. He will be triggered every day. It would be simple for him to resume the affair.


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How to Survive an Affair chapter in HIS NEEDS, HER NEEDS
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...I have seen husbands build new and wonderful relationships with their wives but then go back to their lovers after five or six years of what appeared to be marital bliss. When I ask them why, they inevitably tell me they miss the woman terribly and still love her. At the same time they stoutly affirm they love their wives dearly and would not think of leaving them.

I believe a man like this has told the truth. He is hopelessly entangled and needs all the help possible to be kept away from his lover and stay faithful to his wife. I often recommend that a man once involved in an affair come in to see me every three to six months on an indefinite basis, just to talk about how things are going and to let me know how successfully he has stayed away from his lover. He must resign himself to a lifetime without her. HE MUST CERTAINLY NOT WORK WITH HIS FORMER LOVER AND SHOULD PROBABLY LIVE IN SOME OTHER CITY OR STATE. Even with those restrictions the desire for her company persists...


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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
How to Survive an Affair chapter in HIS NEEDS, HER NEEDS
p. 177

...I have seen husbands build new and wonderful relationships with their wives but then go back to their lovers after five or six years of what appeared to be marital bliss. When I ask them why, they inevitably tell me they miss the woman terribly and still love her. At the same time they stoutly affirm they love their wives dearly and would not think of leaving them.

I believe a man like this has told the truth. He is hopelessly entangled and needs all the help possible to be kept away from his lover and stay faithful to his wife. I often recommend that a man once involved in an affair come in to see me every three to six months on an indefinite basis, just to talk about how things are going and to let me know how successfully he has stayed away from his lover. He must resign himself to a lifetime without her. HE MUST CERTAINLY NOT WORK WITH HIS FORMER LOVER AND SHOULD PROBABLY LIVE IN SOME OTHER CITY OR STATE. Even with those restrictions the desire for her company persists...
I can see how this happens too Mel, just commenting.

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Although I have not read your thread Roroma, I can tell you that the best gift you will recieve in the future is relief from depression, and it is possible and even probable as time passes, and you live healthier in body and mind.

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I have been beating myself up for not being able to even begin to forgive my wh. What was stopping me was a gut feeling that he was still keeping things from me. Unfortunately, I was right.

WH, despite my repeated pleas, has not given up his internet porn habit. He's just gotten better at covering it up. On the 4th, I found over 6000 pornographic images that he had deleted over the past 2 months. I confronted him and he denied it. Tried to say there must be something wrong with our computer.

I asked him to leave. Clearly, some eight or nine months after being introduced to radical honesty, he still doesnt get it. I am truly beginning to wonder if he ever will. He says he will fix himself, but I have heard that before to no result. This porn thing has been going on since before we were married. He claims that he needs it to comfort himself because he doesnt have me in the way that he wants me. IE I am not worshipping him like one of the women in the pornos.

I am scared right now because I do not have the means to support myself. I am 5 months pregnant and stay at home with our almost 4 year old and 16 mo.

I have told WH my conditions for his return. At this point though, I think I may have reached the point of no return. Can a person like him ever really change? Even if he does, I think it might be too late. I hate the feeling of always waiting for the other shoe to drop. I dont want to live like this anymore.


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