Yes, I'm whining again.<BR>I just dropped off D at H apt. He apprears to be so damn happy. New clothes. New furniture. New rugs. Isn't giving me any money (4 wks now), but he can go an buy whatever the H@LL he wants to.<BR>Yes, I'm still bitter. I know I need to get past this, but I don't know how to.<BR>I honestly don't think he has a conscience. He isn't remorseful. He hasn't taken any of the blame for this. He isn't being responsible. He looks happy as a clam.<BR>What is the deal? I think he likes the fact that I am Plan B-ing. He likes it that I don't talk to him. I don't see how he can do this. I really can't.<BR>So, I guess my real question is, do some people who do wrong, just get so jaded that their thought process no longer knows that difference between right and wrong? Is it possible for some people to lose all sense of goodness?<P>Cheryl

gee, you are his third wife? he has the routine down pat (remember, im wife #4). concience or not, he knows what to do to keep HIMSELF happy, huh?<BR>i can't believe he's not giving you money for D, though. that is super crummy . want a frying pan?

Some people don't have a conscience to begin with.<P>Get yourself an attorney and have his wages garnished for child support. You've got to provide for your daughter and he has a responsibility for that. Reality itself can sometimes be the biggest lovebuster of all.<P>------------------<BR>Bobbie<P>

lwb-<BR>I had forgotten that you were #4. Maybe we should start and e-wives club.<BR>Yea, I could sure that frying pan.<P>Patient-<BR>I have an atty. She is aware that he isn't paying me. Unfortuneately, I must not be high on the priority list. She is busy, and I get to hurry up and wait.<P>

Conscience? Shoot....my H doesn't even know who he is!!!!<P>Oh, to be in LaLaLand.......!!!<P>Hi CeeCee -<P>Don't have any wisdom - but I sure know some of what your feeling!!!!<P>Just to show the depth of my H's fantasy and lack of conscience for the most part.....He leaves me with all the responsibilities and no income and pays me very little weekly for 5 months now and has the straight face to say to me:<P>How about if you cash this $70,000 mortgage check (one of those you get in the mail from mortgage co.'s for home equity loans) and take a 60% cut and I'll take 40%.....I don't want you to be bad off financially!!!!!<P>WHAT AN A$$*@(e.......GRRRRRR!!!<P>I just said simply....."too late!!!" <P>He really is out of it......<P>And I hear ya about the lawyer also!!<P>Boy ...... aren't we having a Happy Friday night!!!!!! LOL!!!!<P>Hang in there....it can only get better (please, oh please.....God!!!)<P>HUGS,<P>Sheba<BR>

Hey guys, when they're in that fantasy world there is no such thing as a conscience. That is the requirement for living there. You have to check your conscience, your morals, your faith, your guilty at the door before you can enter. And you can't get them back until you leave. Now how are they ever going to leave if they don't have those things to make them realize that they are wrong. I guess that is why we stick around trying to remind them. Definitely Friday Night in the big town!!!!!<P>------------------<BR>di<P>

Hi Sheba-<P>You and I seem to stay in the same boat. I declare!<P>You sound pretty good tonight, in spite of everything.<P>I just wish I could knock so sense into him. I went to his apt. tonihgt. I think, Why is his living HERE (smells-ya know) when he could be LIVING where he is suppose to be with a wife and daughter who miss him and love him. <P>Whatever he is doing, I hope it doesn't last long.<P>God will make sure it gets better. It's what I pray for everyday.<P>SDS-<P>You're right. If they had any sense of anything, they couldn't do what they are doing. How's your Plan B going, btw?<P>Cheryl

Hi, guys. It's Friday nite and I'm here too!<P>I like SDS's theory. Must be what happened to all these guys. Mine's taking Sweetie out for her birthday tonight.<P>Hang in there, Cheryl. It'll all come out in the wash.<P>Lori

Yeah, if the spin cycle doesn't kill us first.

Hey Ladies,<BR> Don't forget us men who's W's pulled this [censored] on them,too.I don't believe my W had a real emotional or moralistic conscience to begin with.Maybe this is why it's so easy for her to do this.She hurt everyone who loved her,devastated my family,and annihilated her husband,and all she can say is"I didn't mean to hurt anyone." I guess I remember seeing a lot of red flags in our marriage leading up to this.Has anyone else remembered incidents of disrespect,or lying,or indifference towards you? Cheryl,yes,I think some people can lose their sense of goodness,because I've seen it happen,and not just with my W.I guess I just get sooo damn mad that she has a young boy-toy who treats her like a queen.Of course he is,he's getting what he wants! And I could of done the same thing to her.GRRRR!Now I'm venting.Happy Halloween all-Maybe the OM's and OW's will all turn into pumpkins! --Murph

SDS-<P>you know, I can think of more fun things the spin cycle is for - LOL <P>Murphy-<P>I know what you mean. My h has been hurting people his whole life. It has become what he does. I continue to pray for him, but I worry that his heart is too hardened.<P>Hey, anybody got wine? Let's toast to ourselves. "Happy venting"<P>cheryl

Ceecee Spin cycle mmmm me too.LOL Sounds good what kind of wine or spirits do you suggest? <BR>Murphy The OW and the OM are already the witches. This must be their holiday. Maybe we need to put garlic around our spouses, oh theat is for vampires well I guess the OP's are blood suckers.<P>------------------<BR>di<P>

Cee Cee,<P>I was the betrayer in my first marriage and not being proud of it but acknowledging it as the truth. I was also happy as a clam with the OW... for a little...nine months to be exact. Because of the lies that we had woven... our relationship was also destined to fall...and it did.<P>It appears to me that we are dependent upon our feelings of the heart, that the brain never engages, in relationships. We are so easily fooled into thinking "this is love".<P>We don't take into account the feelings of others. We are in a dream world. Affairs are truly selfish actions that will one day crumble. Love is a VERY STRONG EMOTION. It will take us places we don't want to be.<P>Well rambled on enough.<P>Wishing us all the Best.<P>Medic