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WOW......that Letter is POWERFUL.

Maybe I should send it to my Wife?


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WW(Her)=43
DD=24 (My step-daughter, been raising her since the age of 8, SHE'S MY DAUGHTER!!)
Married=13 yrs
Together=16.5 yrs
THIS IS MY STORY
WW moved out of the home = May 1,2011
D-Day=July 4, 2011
Dear Wife: I'm COMPLETELY CRAZY about you!.....as of Aug-2012 forget that last part....Good Luck to you and GOODBYE!!
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"Sin in it's ordinary progression first deceives, next hardens, and then destroys." - John Thornton

Thinking about this quote in the context of a wayward mind ....

1. Deception.
We talk about wayward "fog", which is verbal expression of the self deception that goes on in a wayward mind. Deception which allows a so called "normal" person to commit adultery. "The enemy" is the ultimate liar. What deception does is this, deception makes swallowing a deadly poison seem like a desirable choice. This is the point in adultery where the waywards telling themselves lies might be shocked into reality by exposure. perhaps not, but it is possible. Truth & light are kryptonite to the deception. I am talking about the wayward losing his/her mind.

2. Hardening.
Now, about the wayward's heart. It hardens. The wayward heart becomes callous. The wayward heart becomes closed off and insensitive to the pain and devastation their adultery causes. The wayward can even accept the broken hearts of their own children if that pain supports their adultery. The wayward becomes impervious to empathy. Cry all you want, your tears have no meaning for the hardened heart of a lost wayward. Your tears, your pain only annoy the hardened wayward heart.


3. Destruction.
And finally, the wayward's soul. The sin of adultery destroys the wayward's soul. The spiritual essence of humanity is nowhere to be found in the wayward. Integrity has been cast off in order for the adultery to continue. The wayward does not go on his/her merry way unscathed. The wayward is the most wounded of all. The destruction of a once beautiful soul, now made ugly by sin, is heartbreaking.


There is a progression to this loss.
Humans are vulnerable to temptation.
Temptation feels good.
But, giving into the sin, and living in the sin is life changing.
Soul changing.

We can actually SEE it sometimes.
We can actually SEE the cold eyes of the hardened heart.
We can actually SEE the lifeless eyes of the soulless.

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You're here because you've had an affair, but you haven't brought yourself to tell your spouse. There's definitely a reason why you landed this page and why you continue reading. Perhaps it is guilt, fear or just morbid curiosity of what you can expect when you tell him or her? Whatever your reasons are, I am glad you're here because I will be your tour guide of what you can look forward to should you decide to continue your affair. Are you ready? smile

So your marriage sucks because you don't have fun together any more, have nothing left in common, nothing left to talk about and sex is non-existant, right? But along comes a friend who you can talk to about everything and they're able to connect with you on every single level! How incredible is THAT?! Your needs are FINALLY being met. You go home and look at your spouse with complete distain and wonder how you ever ended up marrying them because they don't even know YOU let alone what you actually want anymore. Onward matey, into the fog!!!

You don't want to get caught and so you decide to be clever and put your friend's phone number in your cell, but list it as a different name. Oops! Egg on face because you WILL get caught. Did that. You need something that is untraceable so you'll just get a prepaid phone instead. Yep, got caught doing that, too. As clever as you think you are, you have to realize that it's all been done before you and that people (as much as you think they are) aren't oblivious to your sneaky ways.

Your spouse is now falling apart and things are worse off now than they were before you even started talking to your friend. You feel bad but can't break things off with your friend because of the the euphoria you feel when you're with them. No one understands you like they do. Plus, your marriage is definitely over so screw it.

You continue to fantasize about what things would be like if you were to start a new life with your friend. How much better they would be for your children. How vacations and holidays would be so much more fulfilling than the shear misery you live with now, right? Let's take a look at that.

Believe it or not, there was a time when you felt exactly the same way about your spouse as you do now with your AP. That's what brought you two together! You had balance, holidays were special, you had this invisible force shield that no one could penetrate because you couldn't imagine life without them. Think back and REALLY remember those days because they didn't disappear.

You only have one soul and it cannot be split into two distinct people. That's not the way God designed you. What you have with one person, you will not have with another. You'll have a completely different life, that's true. But you will be missing crucial pieces that truly matter. You won't be able to turn to your AP and say, "Remember when ________ happened? That was so funny!" You won't be able to talk about life changing moments of when your children were born, when you bought your first house, when you saw each other through major illnesses. Your affair is based on things that cannot sustain a real relationship as real as it may seem to you now. Lust fades, the truth prevails and fun will diminish with the harsh onset of reality. You'll find that your friends and family will pull away from you and you'll be left wondering why they don't want to meet your friend?

If you think that things are complicated now, wait until you have to deal with the complexities of maintaining an affair under a crumbling marriage! You will lose everything. Your marriage, family, friends, house, savings, maybe your job, definitely your reputation but most of all, your soul. I am starting a new life but unfortunately it isn't with the man I married. It is alone. The holidays aren't what the used to be, songs that meant something to us bring tears to my eyes, places we used to frequent hurt to go to, and part time parenting is extremely painful.

Think long and hard about what you're doing and what you have to lose. Humility and radical honesty are key. You're dealing with many people's lives here, not just your own.

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Synonyms: character, decency, goodness, honesty, morality, probity, rectitude, righteousness, rightness, uprightness, virtue, virtuousness

Antonyms: badness, evil, evildoing, immorality, iniquity, sin, villainy, wickedness

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Originally Posted by Pepperband
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"Sin in it's ordinary progression first deceives, next hardens, and then destroys." - John Thornton

Thinking about this quote in the context of a wayward mind ....

3. Destruction.
And finally, the wayward's soul. The sin of adultery destroys the wayward's soul. The wayward does not go on his/her merry way unscathed. The wayward is the most wounded of all. The destruction of a once beautiful soul, now made ugly by sin, is heartbreaking.

Am I an Evil Betrayed Spouse for not feeling bad if my WW is "wounded" by her own actions?

Am I evil for wanting to see my WW suffer a bit from the results of her own actions? (But I can't see it, if in fact it's happening, because she left me and won't speak to me now because I exposed her and removed the facade of decency that she hid behind.)

My last 3 months has been a living he!!.....getting better each day.
If I could KNOW that she's suffering even HALF as much as I have these last few months......That would satisfy my selfish side!
Does THAT make me evil?
I want to be a better man......a better Husband......but I'd like to know that my WW has lost some sleep due to the results of her own actions.


BH(Me)= 55
WW(Her)=43
DD=24 (My step-daughter, been raising her since the age of 8, SHE'S MY DAUGHTER!!)
Married=13 yrs
Together=16.5 yrs
THIS IS MY STORY
WW moved out of the home = May 1,2011
D-Day=July 4, 2011
Dear Wife: I'm COMPLETELY CRAZY about you!.....as of Aug-2012 forget that last part....Good Luck to you and GOODBYE!!
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Originally Posted by BillCarolina
Am I an Evil Betrayed Spouse for not feeling bad if my WW is "wounded" by her own actions?

Am I evil for wanting to see my WW suffer a bit from the results of her own actions? (But I can't see it, if in fact it's happening, because she left me and won't speak to me now because I exposed her and removed the facade of decency that she hid behind.)

My last 3 months has been a living he!!.....getting better each day.
If I could KNOW that she's suffering even HALF as much as I have these last few months......That would satisfy my selfish side!
Does THAT make me evil?
I want to be a better man......a better Husband......but I'd like to know that my WW has lost some sleep due to the results of her own actions.

Bill - the goal is to move your personal recovery away from this thinking.

This thinking will only stifle you as you work through this nightmare. We, BS's, all have these type of demonic thoughts racing in our brains. As time goes on and the Wayward continues thier decent into He!! you can also decend with them.

This is the point you jump off the devil's train, and move yourself to the safe arms of the ones that love you. She has to move that speeding train herself, and only she has the emergency shut off button.

When you want revenge or you think of evil towards her, try to take your memory elsewhere. The day she wakes up and her pain will be far greater than ever imagined.

You are a praying man, work through prayer to have her feel you, hear you, and stay connected. As time goes on you will see how GOD is working his hinny off on her. Work on you to get to that place of stillness.

Turn you light on for her, so you can steer her through the fog. Let GOD bump the waves on her vessel so it is pointing in the right direction. Believe me he is using wind, rain, fish, and all his power so those waves will go in the direction towards your marriage. Right now she is fighting the wheel because she doesn't know what direction she should be heading.


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Originally Posted by itistoughlove
Originally Posted by BillCarolina
Am I an Evil Betrayed Spouse for not feeling bad if my WW is "wounded" by her own actions?

Bill - the goal is to move your personal recovery away from this thinking.

This thinking will only stifle you as you work through this nightmare.

This is the point you jump off the devil's train, and move yourself to the safe arms of the ones that love you. She has to move that speeding train herself, and only she has the emergency shut off button.

The day she wakes up and her pain will be far greater than ever imagined.

You are a praying man, work through prayer to have her feel you, hear you, and stay connected. As time goes on you will see how GOD is working his hinny off on her. Work on you to get to that place of stillness.

Turn you light on for her, so you can steer her through the fog. Let GOD bump the waves on her vessel so it is pointing in the right direction. Believe me he is using wind, rain, fish, and all his power so those waves will go in the direction towards your marriage. Right now she is fighting the wheel because she doesn't know what direction she should be heading.

And God works through YOU itistoughlove !!.....and the others on this forum!!!
THANK YOU!!
I'm laying in Gods arms on a daily basis!!......but I KNOW the enemy puts those thoughts into my head!
I want what God wants!!!
KEEP ME STRAIGHT!!!


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WW(Her)=43
DD=24 (My step-daughter, been raising her since the age of 8, SHE'S MY DAUGHTER!!)
Married=13 yrs
Together=16.5 yrs
THIS IS MY STORY
WW moved out of the home = May 1,2011
D-Day=July 4, 2011
Dear Wife: I'm COMPLETELY CRAZY about you!.....as of Aug-2012 forget that last part....Good Luck to you and GOODBYE!!
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If there are any wayward lurkers around right now, and I suspect there are, read this thread.

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Originally Posted by Dr Harley
An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

Facebook
Your job
Your recreational activity
Your gym
Your child's school
Your travel
Your friend/neighbor
Your church
Secrecy under the guise of 'privacy'
Going to bars

Eliminate the conditions that made your affair possible.

Hello unfaithful lurkers !
PS: I decided to 'bump' this because I noticed there are 131 Guests !!!!!
Some of you lurkers must be wayward & looking for a way out of your hellish world.

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Things I never thought of when I had an affair...

Originally Posted by PleaseSetMeFree
1. The sound of my husband wailing, curled up in the fetal position when I told him I had sex with another man.

2. What it would sound like to hear my husband say, "I should have never married you".

3. The sadness on my husband's face and in his eyes. How much he has aged in 6 weeks.

4. The grief on my kids' faces when we told them what their mother did.

5. The eerie silence and lonliness in a house full of people. Sometimes no one knows what to say or do. We used to laugh.

6. What it feels like to be nothing more than a free prostitute, when I used to be pure and honorable and respectable.

7. That 6 weeks after d-day, I'd still be getting sick every morning from stress.

8. That no matter how good our marriage will someday be, I will always be an adulteress.

9. That a grown woman acted like a selfish toddler.

10. The dead, empty, hollow feeling in my soul for having done something so wicked.

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That was my reaction too, a very powerful and frank insight. No point sending it to my WH though as he is still under the illusion that his and OW's situation is 'different' as they are 'soulmates' and what they have is 'special'.

Funny how he used those exact same words to describe us not so long ago...


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J, WS, 33
12 years together, married 2.
No kids, just cats
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UNFAITHFUL LURKER .... Welcome to MARRIAGE BUILDERS
A forum where you will be asked to take personal responsibility for your choices .... No "Yes butt" allowed. We'll just rotflmao laugh at your "yes butt".


Originally Posted by Pepperband
Until the wayward spouse or the betrayed spouse accepts that they alone control themselves, they are immune to all our MB 'teachings'.

"The Devil made me do it." <~~~ External locus of control.
"It just happened." <~~~ External locus of control.
"I couldn't stop myself." <~~~ External locus of control.
"He/She made me break Plan B." <~~~ External locus of control.
"You made me run back to the OW/OM." <~~~ External locus of control.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Those with a high external locus of control believe that powerful others, fate, or chance primarily determine events.

External locus of control = "I not responsible for what I did or what I will do."
External locus of control = "No MB Plan will really work, because outside forces cause me do what I do."
External locus of control = A serious lack of personal boundaries.

Waywards or betrayed spouses with external locus of control will be far more likely to feel they are a victim. Powerless. Useless. Caught up in circumstances which they have no power to change.

A cop out?
Maybe.
A personality style?
Certainly.

A person who feels they are without power over themselves will claim no responsibility for their actions. After all, it was not their fault. Some other force caused them to act the way they act.

If you see a MB'er who is sticking to their PLAN, the odds are great that that person has an Internal Locus of Control.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Those with a high internal locus of control have better control of their behavior, tend to exhibit more political behaviors, and are more likely to attempt to influence other people than those with a high external (or low internal respectively) locus of control. Those with a high internal locus of control are more likely to assume that their efforts will be successful. They are more active in seeking information and knowledge concerning their situation.

When dealing with an MB'er with a high level of self control, you are less likely to hear the "Yes, but ...." (Which drives me NUTZ crazy )

When a MB'er asks questions about the plans .... I see a betrayed spouse (or a former wayward) with personal self control and that person will usually have success in life no matter what happens with their marriage.

I observe that couples who both think that outside forces control them have a very low chance of MB success. We can cram MB theory/Plans/articles down their throat until the cows come home .... "Yes, but ..." will usually prevail.

When is it "the fog" and when is it an ingrained style of coping with life?
It's sometimes difficult to determine. Especially after trauma. Or, during a period of severe emotional pain. And, it is very difficult to say if this will turn around when there is depression or anxiety at play.
However, I think that over time, people will either take their known attributes and make the most of what they have, or they will throw themselves on the floor, have a pity party tantrum and announce to the world their victimization status. Thus releaving themselves of any personal responsibility.

Just my thought today.

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