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Hi everyone, new here, hate that I even have to be here...I can write details about my situation a little later but my pressing question at this time is as follows, because time is of the essence right now. My husband had an affair. Still having an emotional one. Started MId to late May, I found out first week of August. I am tired of waiting for him to leave her alone and quit texting and telling her he loves her. He tells me if we divorce it will not be because of her, it will be because of the problems we had prior to the affair. He says he is resentful of me, and at one time hated me, because of the "way I treated him for years". Meaning gripey, cussing, bad temper (all the LB's basically) and I was diagnosed with depression at the same time the affair was exposed, so I had a huge can of worms opened to me. I had no idea that was depression. So his point is how can he forget all that I did to him becuase he loves and cares for me but no longer "in love" as the saying goes. He knows I am doing everything to save us but I'm a wreck in every way. He says he sees changes in me and likes them, but apparently they aren't good enough. I cannot allow a third party to enter my marriage. He says he is not ready to work on us so that leaves me one option- divorce. In fact I almost filed yesterday after an argument. When we argue now, its only about "her". I have tried moving to my parents at nearly 40 years old(nice) and he now moved out of our house for about a week with a friend. We do text often and see each other on occasion every couple days to keep runing the household (pets), etc. I do NOT want a divorce and he knows this. But he cannot get over the resentment and has asked me how to since he thinks I am an expert now that I have read many of the Dr. Harley books....I do recall seeing something on resentment, but did not mark it and now I've forgotten what book to look it up in without re reading them and I really don't have time for that. I am on the verge of leaving a 15 year marriage. In a nutshell, background: we met as a result of an affair with his first wife  and are almost 9 years apart in age (he's older) and this mistress of his is 24 years younger. Irritates me beyond belief. It's a coworker (can't change jobs yet, but I am pressing for it trust me)....She is also married with a young child. He had never had an affair before me (I was single) and has not ever had one until now. I'm afraid everyone will say "I told you so, what did you expect?" and I don't want to hear that right now. We HAD a good marriage, but he doesn't see how it can be even greater after an affair if he would just choose to work on it. Anything you can do to tell me how he can overcome this resentment of me so he can be "in love" with me again? He says he just doesn't know how you can get that back once it is lost. He doesn't see it. He will not read my books. (His Needs Her Needs, Love Busters, and Surviving and Affair). I'm sure this is something you've all heard before. As all situations like this go, there are so many more details but I can't share at this moment due to time constraints. I swore to him I am not living through Christmas this way knowing he is texting her "merry christmas" etc Thanksgiving sucked. Ya, nice one, Merry Christmas, here's your present, it's divorce papers.... Thanks for anything you can tell me. SG
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Hi everyone, new here, hate that I even have to be here...I can write details about my situation a little later but my pressing question at this time is as follows, because time is of the essence right now. My husband had an affair. Still having an emotional one. Started MId to late May, I found out first week of August. I am tired of waiting for him to leave her alone and quit texting and telling her he loves her. He tells me if we divorce it will not be because of her, it will be because of the problems we had prior to the affair. He says he is resentful of me, and at one time hated me, because of the "way I treated him for years". Meaning gripey, cussing, bad temper (all the LB's basically) and I was diagnosed with depression at the same time the affair was exposed, so I had a huge can of worms opened to me. I had no idea that was depression. So his point is how can he forget all that I did to him becuase he loves and cares for me but no longer "in love" as the saying goes. He knows I am doing everything to save us but I'm a wreck in every way. He says he sees changes in me and likes them, but apparently they aren't good enough. I cannot allow a third party to enter my marriage. He says he is not ready to work on us so that leaves me one option- divorce. In fact I almost filed yesterday after an argument. When we argue now, its only about "her". I have tried moving to my parents at nearly 40 years old(nice) and he now moved out of our house for about a week with a friend. We do text often and see each other on occasion every couple days to keep runing the household (pets), etc. I do NOT want a divorce and he knows this. But he cannot get over the resentment and has asked me how to since he thinks I am an expert now that I have read many of the Dr. Harley books....I do recall seeing something on resentment, but did not mark it and now I've forgotten what book to look it up in without re reading them and I really don't have time for that. I am on the verge of leaving a 15 year marriage. In a nutshell, background: we met as a result of an affair with his first wife  and are almost 9 years apart in age (he's older) and this mistress of his is 24 years younger. Irritates me beyond belief. It's a coworker (can't change jobs yet, but I am pressing for it trust me)....She is also married with a young child. He had never had an affair before me (I was single) and has not ever had one until now. I'm afraid everyone will say "I told you so, what did you expect?" and I don't want to hear that right now. We HAD a good marriage, but he doesn't see how it can be even greater after an affair if he would just choose to work on it. Anything you can do to tell me how he can overcome this resentment of me so he can be "in love" with me again? He says he just doesn't know how you can get that back once it is lost. He doesn't see it. He will not read my books. (His Needs Her Needs, Love Busters, and Surviving and Affair). I'm sure this is something you've all heard before. As all situations like this go, there are so many more details but I can't share at this moment due to time constraints. I swore to him I am not living through Christmas this way knowing he is texting her "merry christmas" etc Thanksgiving sucked. Ya, nice one, Merry Christmas, here's your present, it's divorce papers.... Thanks for anything you can tell me. SG SG, You knew when you married him that he was capable of having an affair and leaving his wife. You knew what to expect and now he is simply living up to his track record. If it was okay for him to have an affair with and leave his wife for you, then why is it wrong for him to have an affair and leave his wife again, for the new woman? Why do you need help for something you signed up for? And WHY would you come to a forum populated by spouses standing up for marriage, when you were happy to destroy the ex wife's marriage? Have you thought about how betrayed spouses might feel being asked for help from someone who destroyed a marriage?
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I would check out these radio shows where Dr Harley specifically addresses the issues with affair marriages: http://www.marriagebuilders.com/radio_program/play_segment.cfm?sid=2233http://www.marriagebuilders.com/radio_program/play_segment.cfm?sid=154http://www.marriagebuilders.com/radio_program/play_segment.cfm?sid=155I've read through your original question and the responses you've received, and almost to a responder, they are warning you about what happens to relationship that originated as an affair. I have counseled hundreds of these couples and am presently counseling couples that married after an affair, and I can tell you from first-hand experience, and their own unsolicited comments, that if they had put the same effort into their marriages, they would be happily married to their original spouses today. While it's true that there are happy marriages that start as affairs, they are in the minority. Only about 5% of all affairs end in marriage, and only about 1/3 of those marriages survive the first five years. You probably have one chance in 100 of turning this marriage into a successful relationship, and you're off to a terrible start in spite of your love and commitment. I have a theory about why marriage after an affair is so unsuccessful, but the fact that they're unsuccessful is well documented. My main contention is that for whatever reasons, those who have affairs tend not to follow one of my cardinal principles for marriage: The Policy of Joint Agreement (never do anything without an enthusiastic agreement between you and your spouse). They tend to do what they please without considering each other's feelings. While that may not apply to both members of the relationship, it almost always applies to at least one of them. Your friend's affair with another man in the beginning your your relationship is evidence that she's not thinking about your interests. I try very hard to keep these marriages together, in spite of the fact that there is such a low probability of success. If I thought I would fail, I wouldn't be wasting my time. And yet, I have had very little success. I keep thinking that I will eventually find a way to succeed. There are so many obsticles to overcome. In addition to failure to follow the POJA, there is also a marked failure to follow the Policy of Radical Honesty. They tend to be incredibly dishonest, in spite of the fact that they start out thinking they can look right into each other's very souls. But there is one other issue that is terribly relevant to your situation: Blended families. I read a research report recently that claimed that only 15% of all marriages with children from another relationship survive for 25 years (on average about 50% of all marriages survive for 25 years). Again, from my perspective, the culprit is failure to follow the POJA. Instead of making joint decisions regarding the children, unilateral decisions are made. This ultimately leads to fights and constant turmoil. After the children are grown, however, the conflict does not end. In many cases, advantages continue to be given to children by the natural parent at the expense of the step-parent. I'm sure that your counselor has been encouraging your wife to negotiate with you so that you can reach a joint agreements regarding her children, but to no avail. And I've experienced the same thing. In spite of a blended family couple's willingness to follow the POJA when I talk to them, when it comes to a decision that will affect the welfare of their children, the commitment is broken. The advice you have been receiving on the Forum focuses attention on your affair. I've written quite a bit on that topic, and many of the responders have read it. In general, I warn people to avoid an affair because if the very same problems you are facing. And if a vast amount of research and my own professional experience can be trusted, it happens to 99% of those who try to make an affair last. While it's very unlikely that you will follow my advice because you're in love with "Jane," leaving this relationship, and restoring your relationship with your first wife is the wisest choice. But if you want to know how you can be the 1% that thrives in spite of the obsticles you face, my advice is that you both learn to follow the POJA with every decision you make, including those with the children. If those decisions are made with mutual care, you may be able to figure out how to make the rest of your relationship work. Best wishes Willard F. Harley, Jr. here
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The problem is not his resentment, but his affair. He is using "resentment" as a way to divert attention from the real problem: his affair. It is much easier to blame you than it is to take responsibility for his affair. After all, adultery obviously is not the solution to resentment.
But, I guess I don't really understand what the problem is. It's not like you didn't know he was a cheater when you married him. You accepted that about him and volunteered to marry a cheater. If you both condone and embrace adultery, what is the problem with him having another affair?
To me, this is not an issue about adultery but one of accepting the consequences for your actions.
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You knew when you married him that he was capable of having an affair and leaving his wife. You knew what to expect and now he is simply living up to his track record. SugarCane has summed it up well. I have a friend who recently got divorced for the second time. After he separated from his first wife, he started living with the woman who became his second wife before his first divorce was final. Even so, he was shocked when his second wife started having affairs. (Idiot.) He, too, married someone several years younger. Wifey #2 got tired of him when he turned 50 and she started running around with younger men. When he expressed his shock, she reminded him that their relationship began as an affair. They both had a track record as adulterers and it was not a new behavior. Dude learned his lesson and did not shack up again. In fact, as far as I know he isn't even dating even though his divorce is now final.
Me: BS 51 Himself: WH 53, EA/PA w/ RunnerSlut his "running buddy." Buncha' kids. The two youngest are still minors. Separated: 08/13/09 after 25 years of marriage Plan D: Filed 11/13/09 Final 3/30/11 MC told me that he probably has a personality disorder
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SG1, if you want to know what to do, read "How Affairs Should End." (http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5060_qa.html)
I dunno if it'll work in your case, because you need both spouses to get on board eventually, and your husband seems only to be occasionally on-board with the concept of marriage.
I need to be careful of not being the proverbial pot calling the kettle black, but what I became once, isn't what I am today. Speaking as a guy who had an affair & who came God-knows-how-close to ruining my marriage to the best woman on the planet, I can't imagine how someone who caused that sort of pain once would be able to cause it again. Maybe you've repented & changed, SG1 -- I won't presume to judge that -- but it seems clear that your husband hasn't. Another affair 15 years later, tells me he's one helluva slow learner & a cruel SOB besides.
If you wanna give yourself the best chance of saving your marriage, then you need to bust up the affair, and that means you need to expose it to the other woman's husband, without warning your husband or the other woman in any way beforehand. Good luck.
Me: FWH, 50 My BW: Trust_Will_Come, 52, tall, beautiful & heart of gold DD23, DS19 EA-then-PA Oct'08-Jan'09 Broke it off & confessed to BW (after OW's H found out) Jan.7 2009 Married 25 years & counting. Grateful for forgiveness. Working to be a better husband. "I wear the chain I forged in life... I made it link by link, and yard by yard" ~Jacob Marley's ghost, A Christmas Carol "Do it again & you're out on your [bum]." ~My BW, Jan.7 2009
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Thanks everyone, I'll be leaving the forum. Why?
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Why leaving? I don't even know if it's worth my time to explain it, I have a marriage to mend. But.... I came here for encouragement and help with a solution with someone I love. All I get is the usual "you should have known". Which I respectfully asked NOT to hear, I've heard it enough- I GET IT. There is more to the story which I said I could not do at this time. I LOVE my husband. This is my first marriage, his second (happens all the time with many people) ya, OK we met the wrong way, but I learned from it, not proud of it (like there are people here who are not proud of certain things they may have done throughout their lifetimes?), but I never did it again. Unfortunatley he did. The way I look at it, I chose him knowing he wasn't perfect and he the same with me. He asked and I said yes. No one is perfect. This site is about giving encouragement and fixing marriages (or so I thought). All I am reading is people saying dump your husband if he had an affair. It's my marriage. I want to save it. I don't want a divorce. I am willing to forgive this (not forget obviously). I just needed some advice to help fix it and take precautions it won't happen again. We both know it won't be easy. He is a good person that did a bad thing. He has accepted responsibility for it and apologized for hurting me multiple times, just can't seem to let me back in his life 100% right now because of his resentment toward me, which caused him to gravitate toward what he did in the first place. So I am working on ME in the meantime and it's going pretty decently. People make mistakes. Apparently over 50% of people in marriages these days make these same mistakes of infidelity and fix them, but just because of how I met my husband that's all the sudden not an option for ME, per the people that have responded to this post. In one of Dr. harley's books he tells the story of a man who did this three times with his secretary's at work (affairs)and wanted the last marriage to work (even though meeting thru an affair, his THIRD) and they fixed it. Why can't I want my marriage to work? Why only that guy? Why is it OK for some people here to stay with a spouse that cheated? Why is it OK for them to want their marriage fixed? Those spouses are now obviously cheaters and the spouse that stayed with them after the affair signed up to continue to stay knowing that it very well could happen again, too. Same advice they are telling me. I do not want to argue, I do not want to preach, or be preached to, so I think I'm done here, you won't have to lecture me anymore and make me feel even more horrible at the moment, you can lecture someone else. I need to spend my time off the forum and doing additional things to save my marriage, just not let it slip away after 15 years and take precious time reading about how to not make it work. Thanks, sorry. I tried.
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The guy in harley's book wanted the marriage, that's why.
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Hi, SG,
I didn't say "Dump your husband." I said he was being a slow-learner, that he's currently acting cruelly (do you disagree?), and that he'll need to get on-board, at some point, in order for you to save your marriage. Not a grain of un-truth in what I said.
If I didn't believe people could change their own hearts & minds for the better, I wouldn't be here. So my advice would be not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. There's a lot of good info & advice in these forums if you'll stick around, and you've already gotten some from several posters. (Yes, you're gonna catch grief in life from people in general who don't really believe that any "affairages" are worth saving. As a former adulterer whose actions had as one consequence the ending of another couple's marriage, I probaby haven't much standing to wade in on that one.)
Saving any marriage from an affair isn't easy. It requires a lot of introspection, and not flinching from discovery of unpleasant realities. You can't just show up on an online forum and expect to find a painless, "shake-&-bake" recipe for fixing things that are terribly broken. Both wayward spouses & betrayed spouses get challenged here: Challenged to think about how they & their spouses ended up in such a fix, challenged to be realistic, challenged to develop a coherent game-plan, and challenged to work at it. Fixing marriages properly & making them better than before, such that the danger of future unfaithfulness is much-reduced, takes a fearsome amount of work from both spouses. It can be done, but it's harder than hanging in for 2 days in an internet discussion board where some folks may do you the service of confronting you with some inconvenient truths.
Deal with those truths, and you may (may) have a fighting chance. Shrink from them, and you won't. The choice is yours.
If you're ready to roll up your sleeves & get practical, then you could start by answering: Has your husband's current affair been exposed?
Me: FWH, 50 My BW: Trust_Will_Come, 52, tall, beautiful & heart of gold DD23, DS19 EA-then-PA Oct'08-Jan'09 Broke it off & confessed to BW (after OW's H found out) Jan.7 2009 Married 25 years & counting. Grateful for forgiveness. Working to be a better husband. "I wear the chain I forged in life... I made it link by link, and yard by yard" ~Jacob Marley's ghost, A Christmas Carol "Do it again & you're out on your [bum]." ~My BW, Jan.7 2009
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I came here for encouragement and help with a solution with someone I love. Encouragement wont get your husband on board and melody lane gave you a great deal of info on the special challenges that affairages face and how to overcome them. You are in an affairage and recognising the problems affairages face is key to your problem here. You know you are in one - you chose that. Ignoring that or saying it is in the past wont change the fact that the dishonesty present then is still around now. We can say 'there there' and you can look the other way - but your relationship will still have problems based on the way it began. All I am reading is people saying dump your husband if he had an affair. Then you havent read the postings. Go back. He has accepted responsibility for it and apologized for hurting me multiple times, just can't seem to let me back in his life 100% right now because of his resentment toward me, which caused him to gravitate toward what he did in the first place. So I am working on ME in the meantime and it's going pretty decently. Apologies are not part of the MB plan, actions are. What is he DOING? EPs? Youre fooling yourself. A repentent wayward couldnt be kept away from giving the marriage 100 per cent by wild horses. You need to work the plans to give him proper reasons to try. Try calling Dr H. Your situation is especially difficult because of the affairage and you need all the help you can get. Why is it OK for some people here to stay with a spouse that cheated? Why is it OK for them to want their marriage fixed? Those spouses are now obviously cheaters and the spouse that stayed with them after the affair signed up to continue to stay knowing that it very well could happen again, too. Same advice they are telling me. Its different because of the policy of radicl honesty and POJA, things that are usually missing from affairages. Affairages begin with dishonesty and poor boundaries on both sides. Seriously, go back and read Mel's post again. All you have done is scanned it and got offended because of the critical but necessary things said. Your marriage has a hole shot through it. Pretending its not there wont get it fixed. I would call Dr H in your shoes and develop a thicker skin.
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SG, I'd second everything indiegirl has just pointed out to you. If you've changed your outlook on marriage since 15 years ago, then there's a roadmap forward -- but it requires that you be realistic about where you're starting from. It'd be a shame for you to walk away from those wise thoughts that she has laid at your feet.
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It's my marriage. I want to save it. I don't want a divorce. I am willing to forgive this (not forget obviously). I just needed some advice to help fix it and take precautions it won't happen again. We both know it won't be easy. He is a good person that did a bad thing. He has accepted responsibility for it and apologized for hurting me multiple times First off, Harley has stated over and over again that he has been completely unsuccessful with affairages, so I am not sure what you mean. He even says on one of those radio clips he tells affairage partners that he has not been successful and won't be of much help. He is right up front about that. In his posting I quoted above, he said: "I try very hard to keep these marriages together, in spite of the fact that there is such a low probability of success. If I thought I would fail, I wouldn't be wasting my time. And yet, I have had very little success. I keep thinking that I will eventually find a way to succeed." If you listen to his radio shows from this year, he is much less hopeful than when he wrote that 3 years ago. It is clear to me that your husband has not changed as evidenced by his current affair. You can't rationally argue that he has "changed" when he has not changed. A person has to change in order to change. I mean, c'mon. Why is it OK for some people here to stay with a spouse that cheated? Why is it OK for them to want their marriage fixed? Those spouses are now obviously cheaters and the spouse that stayed with them after the affair signed up to continue to stay knowing that it very well could happen again, too. ] The only marriages that are saved are those where the WS ENDS the affair. Not ones where the affair continues. Your WS has never stopped. He has gone from affair to affair. These betrayed spouses did not have an affair with their spouses; they did not knowingly chose a cheater for a spouse. YOU DID. They did not knowingly marry a cheater while in an affair. You did. You just don't like the consequences of your choice. You KNEW. They didn't. Sorry. I am sorry you are in pain, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who volunteered for this and helped break up a family in the process.
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Why leaving? I don't even know if it's worth my time to explain it, I have a marriage to mend. But.... I came here for encouragement and help with a solution with someone I love. All I get is the usual "you should have known". Which I respectfully asked NOT to hear, I've heard it enough- I GET IT. There is more to the story which I said I could not do at this time. I LOVE my husband. This is my first marriage, his second (happens all the time with many people) ya, OK we met the wrong way, but I learned from it, not proud of it (like there are people here who are not proud of certain things they may have done throughout their lifetimes?), but I never did it again. Unfortunatley he did. The way I look at it, I chose him knowing he wasn't perfect and he the same with me. He asked and I said yes. No one is perfect. This site is about giving encouragement and fixing marriages (or so I thought). All I am reading is people saying dump your husband if he had an affair. It's my marriage. I want to save it. I don't want a divorce. I am willing to forgive this (not forget obviously). I just needed some advice to help fix it and take precautions it won't happen again. We both know it won't be easy. He is a good person that did a bad thing. He has accepted responsibility for it and apologized for hurting me multiple times, just can't seem to let me back in his life 100% right now because of his resentment toward me, which caused him to gravitate toward what he did in the first place. So I am working on ME in the meantime and it's going pretty decently. People make mistakes. Apparently over 50% of people in marriages these days make these same mistakes of infidelity and fix them, but just because of how I met my husband that's all the sudden not an option for ME, per the people that have responded to this post. In one of Dr. harley's books he tells the story of a man who did this three times with his secretary's at work (affairs)and wanted the last marriage to work (even though meeting thru an affair, his THIRD) and they fixed it. Why can't I want my marriage to work? Why only that guy? Why is it OK for some people here to stay with a spouse that cheated? Why is it OK for them to want their marriage fixed? Those spouses are now obviously cheaters and the spouse that stayed with them after the affair signed up to continue to stay knowing that it very well could happen again, too. Same advice they are telling me. I do not want to argue, I do not want to preach, or be preached to, so I think I'm done here, you won't have to lecture me anymore and make me feel even more horrible at the moment, you can lecture someone else. I need to spend my time off the forum and doing additional things to save my marriage, just not let it slip away after 15 years and take precious time reading about how to not make it work. Thanks, sorry. I tried. SG1, I'd encourage you to stay. The good folks here are working towards something and have lots of collective experience that can help you. I suspect that at least one aspect they are working from is to show you a pattern and from there will move to help set proper boundaries and precautions to put in place. Work with em. Give it a shot. Recovery is hard. Many of us here have recovered from affairs and many are recovering as well. We all know the pain involved. We have/are doing it. CV
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"How to get over resentment......."
Simple. You get over it. Adults do it every single day in the normal course of navigating every possible type of relationship or social interaction.
Your husband is no exception. If he has seemingly normal interactions within society, he has developed a functional method of "getting over" resentment.
However, as long as you and others accept his excuse, that "resentment" is the underlying trouble in your marriage, then he will continue to use it as an excuse.
The truth is that resentment has nothing to do with it. He stays in a marriage until it gets hard, until it reaches a point that it's going to take real work on his part, then runs from his problems and moves on to his next fix. This is his established pattern.
There are a lot of experienced folks on this forum that will stick with you and try to help you salvage this very difficult situation if you have the stomach for it, but the first thing you have to do is stop listening to the lies out of your husband's mouth; stop bowing to his emotional blackmail.
Resentment is not your husband's problem. His deep-seated character flaws that make him run from a relationship when it's time for him to roll up his sleeves and go to work: that's your husband's problem.
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