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#2587976 01/20/12 01:11 PM
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At the debate last night, Newt responded just like any other adulterer/abuser who is called out on behaviour. He immediately let fly with rage and blameshifting, making the asking party feel guilty and crazy for daring to raise the question. And, of course, he himself took NO responsibilty at all for his own actions. He just dumped it right back on whoever was asking.

I got exactly the same thing in my house. Ever watch the Sopranos? This is what Tony would do to Carmela whenever she'd confront him. Rage and blameshifting and making the other person feel guilty and crazy for even asking.

You heard what Newt's wife #2 said in her ABC interview? I heard the same. "Why can't you just accept it?" Yet she is being dismissed as a crazy scorned woman who is just lying and trying to hurt poor poor Newt. Yes, I realize she was the other women in Marriage #1 and don't have much sympathy for her personally, but the point is - Any wife in her position is dismissed as a crazy scorned woman who is just lying to get back at her husband. And people wonder why she didn't come forward earlier?

This is a Conservative, Family Values candidate?? And those people in the audience STOOD UP AND APPLAUDED Newt's rage and blameshifing and refusal to take any responsibility for destroying his own family?

And please don't tell me, "Well, Bill Clinton did the same thing." Yeah. He did. And it was just as sickening then as it this is now. Can anybody explain to me why on earth a group of supposedly conservative people, who supposedly strongly support family values, would get within 10,000 miles of a nasty, angry, selfish, adulterous creep like Newt Gingrich?


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Not all of us conservatives do.

If Newt is the GOP nominee, I won't vote for him for this very reason. He cheated on his first two wives.

Maybe he's had some sort of change, but I'm not willing to take that chance. Obama will probably win my state anyway, so it's not like it matters if I vote for the GOP nominee or not.

I voted Libertarian the last election as well, and can vote that way again if need be.

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I like Newt, except for this. I am pretty hard-core Republican, and this is one thing that would keep me from voting for him. I really don't like our choices here.

I could forgive him for long-ago mistakes and believe he was a different man now...but this is his shortest marriage. His first was 18 yrs, the second 19, this one is 12. I hear a timebomb ticking. He would have to have at least 20 years of an infidelity-free lifestyle for me to believe him.

That sucks for us Republicans wanting back in the White House! We don't have great choices. I don't trust any of them, for different reasons.


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Originally Posted by Mulan
Can anybody explain to me why on earth a group of supposedly conservative people, who supposedly strongly support family values, would get within 10,000 miles of a nasty, angry, selfish, adulterous creep like Newt Gingrich?

Honestly the fact that they have done so, since the time I was a teenager, confused me greatly as I was forming my moral values. I didn't understand why some people had a problem with Newt, since I swam in a sea of divorce and infidelity being accepted by the religious people that I thought understood right and wrong. Now I do.


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That's why I do this weird little thing where I vote with my head, and vote for the (wo)man... not the party.


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My coworker has a book authored by Newt Gingrich and on the dedication page it says "To my dear wife, Marianne." It is autographed - on that same page - by Callista, thanking my friend for interning for the summer. sick


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My favorite is how Newt claimed, rather recently (March 2011), in essence, that his love of country was so great that he worked too hard for the nation, hence not enough on his marriages. In other words, he cheated because he was so selfless... so it really was some kind of noble act, a demonstration of his extra-special worthiness, dontcha see?

That's akin to some of the crap I remember saying back in the days immediately after my affair, when I'd talk about how I slipped into the affair just because I began lending the poor OW a caring ear when she wanted to talk about how lonely she was in her marriage to her allegedly neglectful husband, yadda-yadda-yadda... almost as if "I had an affair because I was so empathetic & caring, you see?" So Newt boinked a staffer because he was a super-patriot, you see?

If Newt's still thinking that way 18 years on, he's way too slow of a learner to be President. "Love of country"? Gimme a break. But somehow, there are people who buy this stuff. Hold on fer a minnit while I reach for my 5-gallon vomitoon, 'cuz I'm gonna hurl puke

There's a large portion of the American electorate that evidently is quite willing to give a sympathetic hearing to any candidate who professes that defense spending must never be lower & taxes never higher than at present, that Social Security & Medicare benefits won't & mustn't be reduced in out-years, that interest on the existing debt can be paid as due, and that the above can be made to happen & the numbers all magically made to balance, solely via cuts to the less-than-25% remaining share of the federal budget that accounts for all programs other than the aforementioned -- and all miraculously without leaving the nation awash in unincarcerated criminals, potholed streets, undelivered mail, rusting bridges, undredged ports, uninspected foods and medicines, corroded water-mains & sewerage lines, unplowed snow, undereducated teenagers, untreated addicts, unmonitored borders, unfunded research, and closed windows & long lines for construction permits, building-safety inspections, nursing licenses, commercial fishing licenses, driver's licenses, veterans' benefits, and all manner of public services. They can pay for it all by extending the 2001 tax cuts & eliminating the capital gains tax, which they say will spur bountiful years of double-digit annual GDP growth. After all, didn't GDP surge by double digits & tax revenues soar when taxes were slashed a decade ago & the capital gains rate was cut to 15%?

(Oh, wait... no, not even close... but let's not let facts ruin our pretty fantasy...)

What they are promising to do, when they assert such gibberish, is no less than to suspend the very laws of arithmetic.

That is heady stuff, an awesome promise! If successfully done, it would represent a feat no less significant in its implications than the creation of the universe itself. Why shouldn't people who are willing to buy this (from any candidate, whether Dem or GOP), also be willing to swallow whatever a candidate says about his/her infidelity? After all, if 3-1=5, then there are no fallacies or untruths (moral or otherwise), and everything is whatever anyone says it is, is it not?

After all, as some of the GOP die-hards are fond of saying in other contexts, "With God, all things are possible."

Except, that they forget that they ain't God.

I believe in God. I hate it when they drag my God onto their endorsement-slates, & trot him out in their stump-speeches, as their wing-man, co-pilot, tail-gunner, "virtual running-mate" or whatever. See, my God believes in math. My God invented math.

( "God forbid!", they sputter, that we should ever return to the tax rates that were good enough for the booming 90s, good enough for Reagan himself. "Why, that'd be socialism!" )

Of course, I totally realize that the Democrats are peddling their own equally implausible arithmetic, simply using different numbers in their own faux equations. I don't let them off the hook either. But Newt isn't running as one of them, so that's its own separate story.

How, in a land of 300 million people, has it come down to the choices we've got? grumble


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Because we are in the end of times ...

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Did his mother and father really name him "Newt"? Isn't that a kind of lizard?


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Newts are amphibians, thank you very much!

Slimy and slippery, just like politicians!


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One of my favorite opinion piece authors, Kyle-Anne Shiver just had me picking my jaw off the floor with this article:

http://www.kyleanneshiver.com/2012/01/22/why-im-giving-newt-a-pass-on-the-scarlet-a-factor/

Have we really come to this? Is everyone supposed to lower their standards, make moral sacrifices, or otherwise give in to evil because "the times they are a'changin'?"


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Fred, I think Kathleen Parker hinted at the root of the problem in her Washington Post column on January 22.

The biggest current problem [that I have] with Newt isn't that he wanted an 'open marriage' while he was cheating on his wife (or wives). That's merely the definition of having an affair; it's like saying "Sinners are sinful while they're sinning."

Don't misunderstand me there one bit, anyone. The sin itself was awful.

But the bigger problem I have with Newt today is not his past infidelity per se; it's his (as Ms. Parker put it) current "astonishing self-regard." It's that kind of self-regard that allows one to look back at one's past infidelity and misdiagnose as the root cause not that one was selfish, but that one worked too hard due to love-of-country, or some such gobbledygook excuse. To me, Newt's biggest sin today is that of failing to learn properly from what has to have been one of his biggest missteps. Not what I want in a President.

I can give him a mulligan on his infidelity, if he owns it and draws the right conclusions from it. Unlike Ms. Shiver, I can't give him a pass on failing to learn from it.






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Married 25 years & counting.
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If Newt gets the nomination, OMG I will have no choice but vote for Obama! shocked

Newt is a low life piece of trash!

And Mariann, you go girl!


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Fact is
Newt is a known liar.

Why would you want one for a president?

There are honest men out there.







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This man reached the pinnacle of politics in this country once before. In his role, he was known as a bully that would stop at nothing to enact his agenda.

On more than one occasion, he�s violated his vows to honor and protect those he proposed to hold most dear.

If he�ll look in the eyes of his wives and lie, why would we expect him to treat us any differently? Would the image of this man raising his hand and taking the presidential vow be viewed by you as a solemn moment? One that�s good for this country? I wouldn�t. I would see it as just one more opportunity for him to prove what a morally bankrupt being he is.

Newt is a shrewd politician. He doesn�t have any qualms about playing fast and loose with other people�s money to further his view of what the United States, and Americans, should be. He is an extraordinarily arrogant man. His freakishly-large head is no coincidence.


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