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I dont have facebook. It was my wifes facebook account and I closed it out.

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PJ, it should be real easy to set up a facebook account and contact the OM's wife. You did the right thing in having her close out hers.

The OMW should have a way of contacting you and you can give her your email address and phone #.


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TO be honest Melody the thought of that damn site makes me sick to my stomach. The last thing I need is one of those damn accounts. That damn site started all this crap in the first place. Id like to take Mark Zicerberg or how ever you spell his name into my prep room and show him how I embalm. Btw im a funeral director. Incase that didnt make any sense.

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And i did that already once Melody. I sent her a message, her brother in law and her sister. No one ever called my phone. I sent several messages to each. They are all trailer park scumbags that live under the same roof. Its a duples house and her sister lives next door. They could care less as long as they all have beer in the fridge.

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Originally Posted by pjcnh
And i did that already once Melody. I sent her a message, her brother in law and her sister. No one ever called my phone. I sent several messages to each. They are all trailer park scumbags that live under the same roof. Its a duples house and her sister lives next door. They could care less as long as they all have beer in the fridge.

hahaa I gotcha. I didn't realize when you said this earlier that the wife lived there too. so big DUH on me. Obviously she would know then.


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Originally Posted by pjcnh
TO be honest Melody the thought of that damn site makes me sick to my stomach. The last thing I need is one of those damn accounts. That damn site started all this crap in the first place. Id like to take Mark Zicerberg or how ever you spell his name into my prep room and show him how I embalm. Btw im a funeral director. Incase that didnt make any sense.

yikes! You would not believe how many affairs we see on this forum that start on facebook so I completely understand your feelings.


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Have to be honest. I am just real tired of all this. Its getting to the point I wonder if its worth it all. She came home today and I had to ask if she had stopped and bought a single of wine. It seemed as if she had. She swore she didnt then got all mad at me for asking. She is sick of being under the microscope. But what the hell does she expect? I know she has bought a single before. I caught her last week. If i didnt catch her i dont believe she would have told me about it. Its just running on a hampster wheel lately. Never seem to get anywhere. Its only been three weeks so i might be expecting to much to soon.... but when does it start to get better?

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p.s. did we tell you to get the book, Surviving an Affair? The road to recovery is to be found in THERE, as long as she arrests her drinking problem. Most marriages do not recover from affairs because they don't have a plan. They limp along in a crippled state of the pre-affair marriage and often have repeat affairs.

In order to recover, the marriage has to be affair proofed [you have done a good job on this!] and the romantic love has to be restored to the marriage. NOT the love that existed in the pre-affair marriage, but a stronger, more romantic marriage. We can help you with that step because most of us have achieved that in our marriages, post affair.

Harley outlines it right here: [tip: the most impactful thing you can do to restore love to your marriage is to be found in the undivided attention time. that will get you the biggest, fastest bang for your buck read here ]

Originally Posted by Dr Harley in Requirements for Recovery
The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here
as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.

Your nightmares are only the tip of the iceberg. They are but a small reflection of the suffering you experienced when you discovered your husband's affair, and the fear you have that the suffering will be repeated. You have no assurance that the affair is over because you don't even know who the other woman is. You are being asked to trust your husband, who has already proven to be untrustworthy. For all you know, he could be working with her, or you could be going to the same church, or she could be
your neighbor. And since he won't discuss the details of how the affair took place, you have no assurance that another affair will not take its place.

Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details.


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Originally Posted by pjcnh
Have to be honest. I am just real tired of all this. Its getting to the point I wonder if its worth it all. She came home today and I had to ask if she had stopped and bought a single of wine. It seemed as if she had. She swore she didnt then got all mad at me for asking. She is sick of being under the microscope. But what the hell does she expect? I know she has bought a single before. I caught her last week. If i didnt catch her i dont believe she would have told me about it. Its just running on a hampster wheel lately. Never seem to get anywhere. Its only been three weeks so i might be expecting to much to soon.... but when does it start to get better?

It won't get better until she is serious about sobering up. She is not serious about anything other than getting you off her back. It is not too soon, but too late.

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She is sick of being under the microscope.

People who have nothing to hide, don't hide. The game is to SHAME you into not asking so you will get off her back and let her drink in peace. It is hard to sneak around and drink and cheat when your husband is watching!! cry

Was she successful in shaming you for questioning her? That is a great manipulation tactic! grin


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Originally Posted by pjcnh
She came home today and I had to ask if she had stopped and bought a single of wine. It seemed as if she had. She swore she didnt then got all mad at me for asking. She is sick of being under the microscope. But what the hell does she expect? I know she has bought a single before. I caught her last week.

Not only would I put a GPS on her car, but I would get a breathalyzer and make her use it every damn day to confirm she hasn't been drinking. She doesn't like it? OH WELL! I would make that a condition of her living there.

Here is one you can buy and put in your home: http://www.breathalyzer.net/index91.html?gclid=CIav59vwsq4CFdFdtgod-l6aSg

Asking her is useless. Make her PROVE IT. You can't take the word of a liar.


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I felt bad because I didnt believe her. She answered my question but i felt she was lying. I maybe being over sensative and having a hard time believing anything she says. That is to be expected. She did say she isnt sure how much longer she can put up with all the questions. She was on the phone with her friend in the bathroom saying she cant take it anymore. She has no privacy and everyone is watching what she does. That may be withdrawl from the booze. Not really sure. She has a doctors appointment next week to get something to help her cope with this all. Replace one with something else i guess.

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Originally Posted by pjcnh
I felt bad because I didnt believe her. She answered my question but i felt she was lying. I maybe being over sensative and having a hard time believing anything she says. That is to be expected. She did say she isnt sure how much longer she can put up with all the questions.

Is she going to move out? If she can't answer all of your questions openly and honestly she can NEVER earn your trust. The problem here is that she is under the impression that she can shut you up with her drama queen act rather than doing the necessary things to earn your trust and forgiveness. Your wife is a professional, practiced liar so, of course, she cannot be trusted. Only an insane person would trust an untrustworthy person.

I do like the way she turned it all on you to make you the bad guy, though. She is a very practiced manipulator.

The problem is that by going along with it, you encourage her to manipulate you more. It WORKS for her. You should not allow it to work, though.

Do you know when you are being played? I see she plays you quite a bit. Are you aware of that?


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Do you want to have a marriage, PJ? I can help you with a plan but it is going to take ALOT to get this mess out of the ditch. You have a huge mess here; much worse than what we usually see because your wife is a practicing alcoholic.

I will help you if you will follow the plan. But I am not going to go to the trouble of writing it all out if you won't do it. I am a recovering alcoholic with 27 years of sobriety and I have a recovered marriage. There are no guarantees but if this can be saved, I believe I know your best strategy.

It will take alot of work and alot of bold action on your part to pull this out. I just don't know if you are willing.


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I felt bad because I didnt believe her. She answered my question but i felt she was lying.

NG's Foolproof Lie Detector For Waywards and Addicts

1) Ask them if they have engaged in proscribed behavior.
2) If their lips move, they're lying!

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Well last night was great. I knew i was right. Found the empty single in the trash barrel. Had a long talk last night and this morning. She is going to her first AA meeting tonight. I will share with you the letter i gave her this morning.


This will be the last letter I write to you. All my other letters have fallen on deaf ears. Maybe this one will ring. You will hate what is said but it is truth and you need to hear it. Am I beating you up�damn straight I am. You have abused my love and affection long enough. You have taken my love and the love of your children and pissed on in.

You are an Alcoholic in every sense of the word. You have hidden your drinking, you have hide the bottles in the trash barrel and lied to everyone about it. You have snuck and deceived everyone. You have not ONCE taken into account anyones feelings. You have been selfish and uncaring to everyone that loves you. I know these words sting but they are the truth. You don�t want to be beaten up over any of this?? When do you stop beating me up? You have been doing it for months. The worst part of it all is you only show remorse when you are caught. That�s not remorse. That is self defense. Do us all a favor and piss off that [censored]. We don�t deserve it. We have forgiven you over and over again just to have our feelings and kindness trampled on. You think for one second you would allow that to happen to you???? Hell no you wouldn�t. So why do it to us. You have become someone that we have worked to hard to make sure our children are not!! What the hell kind of example are you showing them when they are trying to become the people they will be. You are teaching them that lying and sneaking behind someones back is ok! I will not allow that to happen to them. This is when children learn more about life then they ever will. We are their role models. What the hell kind of example are you showing them?

Today is the start of your new life. You will sit down with me (I don�t give two [censored] about any damn hair appointment) and you will expose yourself and all the [censored] lies that you are carrying with you. I don�t want to hear anymore you have everything. You are to expose yourself to everything. Just like I knew that you drank today I know I am not being told truths about anything else. IF you don�t I will realize that you don�t want to move on. You as you put it want to stay in the pit!! You have proved that already to me. Sneaking, lying and deceiving people live in a pit. You said you don�t want to change the person you are. Well you need to. Ask yourself what kind of person you really are? Is that a person you would want influencing your children? I would hope the answer is no. I want the truth about everything no matter how much it hurts me. Finding it out later will make it even worst!! You need to stop worrying about what will be said and be a grown up. You don�t want to be treated like a child� then stop doing the acts of a child. I have had all I can handle with the damn lies. Have enough respect for me to get it all out. Have enough respect for yourself! If not do not expect me to respect you in the least.

You will need to find work by this weekend. I don�t care what kind of damn job it is. Something to get you out of the damn house 4 days a week. Sucks that jobs are hard to come by but you need one NOW!! If I don�t see that happening then you need to come cleaning the funeral homes. Idol time is killing you!

There is a lot more that will come out during our conversation this morning. I came to you tonight in honesty and caring. I asked you honestly to answer my question. I told you that I would be ok if you slipped but just be honest. You lied then and kept lying to me. Then got mad because you were under the microscope. You showed every sign of a guilty person. You have become a very good liar. But you are a horrible hider. I know your moods by looking at you. I know when you are hiding something. I know you still are. I am willing to work with an honest SOBER wife anyday. The wife that has been walking around this house the past 3 weeks, I cant do nothing with. Its time for us both to act like grown ups if this family has a chance in hell of healing

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