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Originally Posted by MarriedToHer
HerPapaBear --- Thank you so much for your posts and links. The letter you posted made so much sense. It just clicked. My wife and I have read it together. Again - thank you so much.

You're welcome! Thank you's go a long way with everyone here.






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Steve is MUCH different to the waywards that 99% of the people on this forum (my wife confirmed that Steve knew the truth - and I DIDN'T stretch anything to convince him to support that decision. I only hid my motives - not the reason.

Your thoughts don't surprise me. They are almost identical to the way I thought at one time.

During our first attempt at recovery (which later became our false recovery) we began using a highly recommended Christian Counselor. His track record with recovery from adultery was good. I spent some time discussing how fragile my wife was and how it would be detrimental to her mental health if all the truth were told, as well as other things. Sounds familiar, doesn't it.

I hid the truth too!

Today I call what I did.... Self preservation!

I lied to protect myself.

What was I protecting myself from? The same thing you were protecting yourself from. The wrath of my wife, as well as looking bad to all my friends and family!

And just like you, my counselor was stuck in a position to protect my lies until I was willing to disclose them. You put Steve Harley in the same position I put my own counselor in. They were forced to wait for us to get honest.


Here's another problem I faced;
Until I owned my lies and acknowledged it was all just self preservation, I was stuck in the trap of self delusion. (that's a place the enemy loves us to be) A real recovery, that transforms our innermost being, is not possible until we embrace RADICAL openness and honesty, even in regards to our motives.

Just as I owed my counselor and my wife a sincere apology for these lies, you owe Steve Harley and your wife an apology as well.

I pray you'll make it right!

(Read James 1:13-15)












Recovery began 10/07;

Meeting my wife's EN's is my "thank you" that refuses to be silenced.
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Originally Posted by MarriedToHer
Too much believe in a system that they are not educated enough to teach.

rotflmao

Apparently, I am educated enough to copy/paste ....

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The Policy of Radical Honesty

Reveal to your spouse as much
information about yourself as you know;
your thoughts, feelings, habits, likes,
dislikes, personal history, daily activities,
and plans for the future.

To help explain this policy, I have broken it down into four parts:
1. EMOTIONAL HONESTY: Reveal your emotional reactions, both positive and negative, to the events of your life, particularly to your spouse's behavior.
2. HISTORICAL HONESTY: Reveal information about your personal history, particularly events that demonstrate personal weakness or failure.
3. CURRENT HONESTY: Reveal information about the events of your day. Provide your spouse with a calendar of your activities, with special emphasis on those that may affect your spouse.
4. FUTURE HONESTY: Reveal your thoughts and plans regarding future activities and objectives.

To some extent this policy seems like motherhood and apple pie. Who would argue that it's not a good idea to be honest? But in my years of experience as a marriage counselor, I have constantly struggled with the belief of many clients that dishonesty can be a good idea under certain conditions. Moreover, pastors and counselors themselves often advise dishonesty when a spouse has committed a particularly thoughtless act, such as infidelity. And many marital therapists warn against complaining, something that some consider one of the seven deadly sins of marriage. So instead of complaining, spouses often stuff their feelings and try to put a good face on a bad situation.
Granted, dishonesty can be a good short-term solution to marital conflict. It will probably get you off the hook for a few days or months or keep the problem on the back burner. But it's a terrible long-term solution. If you expect to live with each other for the next few years and still be in love, dishonesty can get you into a great deal of trouble.
Because there are so many out there who advocate dishonesty in marriage, I will describe the four parts of my Policy of Radical Honesty, and explain to you why I think they are so important in marriage.

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LESSON for the rest of us.

The fastest and most efficient way to teach your spouse you are not trustworthy is to lie in small increments. Throw in a fact/truth every now and then.

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MTH --

Since you're "not coming back here" -- I am probably posting to you for naught....but you need a HUGE dose of HUMILITY.

If you are not able to accept disapproval from a group of strangers on the internet, I really question how you can do it in your "real life".

I know you feel we are all unqualified, but we have been here - helping people - for years. And there are certain qualities that rise to the surface in waywards that are gonna make it.
And humility is the first. And willingness to learn and discuss our faults is the next. I'm not seeing those in you.

We aren't here for the pleasure of harming waywards.
We can show you the way. And truly, I wish you success in your marriage. I don't have some secret agenda to punish you.
Counceling with Steve is great. But its not enough. We can help you correct your direction on a daily or hourly basis. This can support you IN ADDITION to your work with Steve...please reconsider.

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Originally Posted by MarriedToHer
I will not be back. This place is toxic for some people.

You are correct about that. It is "toxic" to those who are foggy and peddling bullcrap. Bullcrap has a very short shelf life on this forum, as you have learned the hard way.

It is not toxic, however, to those who are honest and sincere. Wild horses could not run off a wayward who is sincere and honest, as you can see from all the FORMER waywards posting on your thread.

Come back when you get honest and are sincere about working on your marriage. We will be here. smile


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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