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Originally Posted by Mary Magdalen
Ok, I just wanted some help here...but this is TIRING!!! Indiegirl, did you miss where I said it WASN'T Facebook where we reconnected. I even stated that I shut down my FB page months ago. It was a huge time waster. I only looked him up on the professional network after we said 'hi' at church one Sunday.

The point is, you sought out a man who wasnt your husband to meet your top needs and that was highly predatory. I don't care if you used a butterfly net to get hold of him, the point is you shouldn't have used ANY method to seek an EA.

Getting a little defensive are we? Good. That shows a healthy active conscience and is what makes me think you're not happy with all this lying.

Do you want MB advice or not?

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What would you do if you were not afraid?

"Fear is the little death. Fear is the mind-killer" Frank Herbert.

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Originally Posted by marymagdalene72
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Confess to your family and church next.
Unfortunately this is bad advice that paints a broad stroke of assumption. Maybe this would work with your fam and church members. But if you knew my family and our church members, you'd understand that this is NOT a good idea. Accountability partners have to be trustworthy and have the ability to be discreet with sensitive information. People who have a penchant for placing others' personal failures on a billboard are NOT ones to share your struggles with. If I did as you suggest, I'd be adding to my emotional angst and then having to seek counseling for THAT too.

This is not "bad advice" though I could understand why you would like us to believe that. It's Dr. Harley's advice and he could not be more clear.

http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8112_exposed.html

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To whom should it be exposed? I recommend that family, friends, children, clergy, and especially, the lover's spouse be informed.


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There are many reasons for these recommendations, but the primary reason is based on my belief that the more people know about what I do in my most private moments, the safer I am to others. Infidelity is one of the most painful experiences one spouse can inflict on the other, and it's far less likely to take place, or continue to take place, when everyone knows about it.

MM, we GET it, exposure is going to be embarassing for you, but this is exactly what it is going to take to help you end your secret second life once and for all and stop looking to get your needs met outside of marriage. Continuing to cover up and do things the "easy" way isn't what works.

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Granted, it's embarrassing to admit an affair, but publicly admitting failure is usually the first step toward redemption.



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Excellent radio clip where Dr. H talks about what a WH should do for his wife to give him another try after his affairs. He explains it like an addict.

Radio Clip on a WH on what to do to get back with his wife 3:50 mark

He explains the WS should expose the truth to everyone themselves, family, friends and church.


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OM called today. I did not answer. Also taking some other steps.

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Originally Posted by marymagdalene72
OM called today. I did not answer. Also taking some other steps.

Have you told your husband about your affairs? That is what really matters.


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Originally Posted by marymagdalene72
OM called today. I did not answer. Also taking some other steps.

You need to change your number. The addiction for you is still very high.

Is one of those steps telling your BH?

What steps are you taking?

Have you seen this?
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Originally Posted by marymagdalene72
OM called today. I did not answer.


So? Hard for you, was it? Course it was.

You didn't sip from the whisky bottle one time - that doesn't make you a cured alcoholoic.

A cured alcoholic TELLS people they are not to be trusted. Makes radical changes to their life.

A repentant WW changes their number and let's their BH send a letter of no contact to the OM. Lets the BW know how to protect her marriage. Says she is sorry to EVERYONE she misled. Does not care how hard it is.

If you want to impress us, start with the TRUTH

Anything less is just an alcoholic having one bad 'ill never drink again' day


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Have you told your husband about your affairs? That is what really matters.

I plan to do that this evening after we're both refreshed. He works lots of OT, and when he gets off, I try not to burden him with any unless it's absolutely necessary.

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You need to change your number. The addiction for you is still very high.

I wish...but not altogether practical. I use my cell as my business number occasionally. I'm blocking his number, and that also blocks me from calling or texting him. If that isn't effective, I would then take steps to change my number.

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I don't know if anyone will understand this, but here's part of why I see no point in divulging all the details to DH: I want and need for him to love me because he desires in his heart to do so and because he knows it's what God expects of him as a husband. I do NOT wish to see him get on a track of doing and being what he should be in marriage out of fear that I will get involved with another man - be it emotionally or physically. I know that's what would result from me telling him ALL the details. And that just sounds too much like emotional blackmail. Just like my motives for changing my ways and loving my DH exclusively have to be pure, so do his motives for meeting my needs and loving me.

Telling him everything amounts to nothing more than offloading my guilt onto him, and that's not his bag to carry. So many have made it clear that my boundaries are the bigger issue, and I agree. DH can't fix that, again, that's my bag to carry, and I don't want to give him a need to start acting - and reacting - out of fear. Full disclosure is not going to absolve my guilt or solve the problems of ENs or boundaries.

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Originally Posted by marymagdalene72
I see no point in divulging all the details to DH:


Ok. Come back if you change your mind.


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Originally Posted by marymagdalene72
I don't know if anyone will understand this, but here's part of why I see no point in divulging all the details to DH: I want and need for him to love me because he desires in his heart to do so and because he knows it's what God expects of him as a husband. I do NOT wish to see him get on a track of doing and being what he should be in marriage out of fear that I will get involved with another man - be it emotionally or physically. I know that's what would result from me telling him ALL the details. And that just sounds too much like emotional blackmail. Just like my motives for changing my ways and loving my DH exclusively have to be pure, so do his motives for meeting my needs and loving me.

Telling him everything amounts to nothing more than offloading my guilt onto him, and that's not his bag to carry. So many have made it clear that my boundaries are the bigger issue, and I agree. DH can't fix that, again, that's my bag to carry, and I don't want to give him a need to start acting - and reacting - out of fear. Full disclosure is not going to absolve my guilt or solve the problems of ENs or boundaries.

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Should an affair be revealed?

I have been letting you in on some clues to infidelity when a spouse is unwilling to be truthful. But there are a few, of course, who are honest enough to tell their spouses about an affair without being confronted. Guilt sometimes sets in right after the first sexual encounter, and it continues to build as one lie is added to another. Depression follows guilt and it's not unusual for a wayward spouse to even consider suicide as a way to escape the nightmare he or she has created. As an act of desperation, honesty is sometimes seized as a last resort, often in an effort to relieve the feelings of guilt.

From my perspective, honesty is part of the solution to infidelity, and so I'll take honesty for whatever reason, even if it's to relieve a feeling of guilt and depression. The revelation of an affair is very hard on an unsuspecting spouse, of course, but at the same time, it's the first step toward marital reconciliation.

Most unfaithful spouses know that their affair is one of the most heartless acts they could ever inflict on their spouse. So one of their reasons to be dishonest is to protect their spouse from emotional pain. "Why add insult to injury," they reason. "What I did was wrong, but why put my spouse through needless pain by revealing this thoughtless act?" As is the case with bank robbers and murderers, unfaithful spouses don't think they will ever be discovered, and so they don't expect their unfaithfulness to hurt their spouse.

But I am one of the very few that advocate the revelation of affairs at all costs, even when the wayward spouse has no feelings of guilt or depression to overcome. I believe that honesty is so essential to the success of marriage, that hiding past infidelity makes a marriage dishonest, preventing emotional closeness and intimacy.

It isn't honesty that causes the pain, it's the affair. Honesty is simply revealing truth to the victim. Those who advocate dishonesty regarding infidelity assume that the truth will cause such irreparable harm, that it's in the best interest of a victimized spouse to go through life with the illusion of fidelity.

It's patronizing to think that a spouse cannot bear to hear the truth. Anyone who assumes that their spouse cannot handle truth is being incredibly disrespectful, manipulative and in the final analysis, dangerous. How little you must think of your spouse when you try to protect him or her from the truth.

It's not only patronizing, but it's also false to assume that your spouse cannot bear to hear the truth. Illusions do not make us happy, they cause us to wander through life, bumping into barriers that are invisible to us because of the illusion that is created. Truth, on the other hand, reveals those barriers, and sheds light on them so that we can see well enough to overcome them. The unsuspecting spouse of an unfaithful husband or wife wonders why their marriage is not more fulfilling and more intimate. Knowledge of an affair would make it clear why all efforts have failed.

After revealing an affair, your spouse will no longer trust you. But lack of trust does not ruin a marriage, it's the lack of care and protection that ruins marriages. Your spouse should not trust you, and the sooner your spouse realizes it, the better.

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Originally Posted by marymagdalene72
Full disclosure is not going to absolve my guilt or solve the problems of ENs or boundaries.

This has nothing to do with absolving your guilt. You should feel guilty. This is about your moral obligation to tell your husband the full truth. This is information about his life that he has a right to know. You can't recover a marriage based on a lie. And you can't claim to be repentant if you continue to lie to your husband.

Full truth, Madam, thats all that will work.


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You need to change your number. The addiction for you is still very high.

I wish...but not altogether practical. I use my cell as my business number occasionally. I'm blocking his number, and that also blocks me from calling or texting him. If that isn't effective, I would then take steps to change my number.

Tough. Practicality went out the window when you hooked up with OM.

Take the steps necessary. Change your number.


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Originally Posted by marymagdalene72
I don't know if anyone will understand this

Sure we understand this. We have excellent reading comprehension skills. Also, we understand this because we've heard it a million times already. Same excuses, from the mouth of yet another different wayward dishonest spouse. You're excuses are nothing new and nothing special.


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but here's part of why I see no point in divulging all the details to DH: I want and need for him to love me because he desires in his heart to do so and because he knows it's what God expects of him as a husband.

You are saying that your faithful husband needs to be deceived by you in order to love you. How awful of you.


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I do NOT wish to see him get on a track of doing and being what he should be in marriage out of fear that I will get involved with another man - be it emotionally or physically.

You flat out do not want your faithful husband to know your weaknesses. You flat out do not want your faithful husband to know the facts about his life, his marriage.

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I know that's what would result from me telling him ALL the details.

You don't know jack-squat, Mary. You are telling yourself this crap to 'whitewash' your continued dishonesty towards your husband.

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And that just sounds too much like emotional blackmail.

Emotional blackmail is when you lie to your husband about your wrong choices in order to keep your husband in the dark. You disrespect your husband so very much. You must not really love him enough to respect his decision-making. Shame on you for a decision to be dishonest for life to the man you vowed to cherish. This shows a huge lack of care on your part.

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Just like my motives for changing my ways and loving my DH exclusively have to be pure, so do his motives for meeting my needs and loving me.

Mary, your motives for lying to your husband are NOTHING close to 'pure'. Let's be honest. Your motives for lying are to keep the status quo and not behave in a responsible way with honest loving towards your faithful husband. There is nothing pure about your dishonesty, Miss Mary.

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Telling him everything amounts to nothing more than offloading my guilt onto him, and that's not his bag to carry.

It's certainly his right to know the truth. Shame on you for this huge disrespect. Your husband is a man, not some pet of yours.

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So many have made it clear that my boundaries are the bigger issue, and I agree. DH can't fix that, again, that's my bag to carry, and I don't want to give him a need to start acting - and reacting - out of fear.

Your husband has a need to distrust you at this time. You are not trustworthy as long as you wear a liars cloak to shield yourself. Do not even bother to toss that bull around here. You lie to protect yourself, not your husband.

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Full disclosure is not going to absolve my guilt or solve the problems of ENs or boundaries.

And lying is? Don't fool yourself Mary. You are heading down a dark path. Telling yourself it is somehow noble to be a lying sneak.

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Originally Posted by marymagdalene72
I don't know if anyone will understand this, but here's part of why I see no point in divulging all the details to DH: I want and need for him to love me because he desires in his heart to do so and because he knows it's what God expects of him as a husband. I do NOT wish to see him get on a track of doing and being what he should be in marriage out of fear that I will get involved with another man - be it emotionally or physically. I know that's what would result from me telling him ALL the details. And that just sounds too much like emotional blackmail. Just like my motives for changing my ways and loving my DH exclusively have to be pure, so do his motives for meeting my needs and loving me.

Telling him everything amounts to nothing more than offloading my guilt onto him, and that's not his bag to carry. So many have made it clear that my boundaries are the bigger issue, and I agree. DH can't fix that, again, that's my bag to carry, and I don't want to give him a need to start acting - and reacting - out of fear. Full disclosure is not going to absolve my guilt or solve the problems of ENs or boundaries.

This is all hogwash.

Your husband deserves to know the whole truth - NOT to absolve you of any guilt, but because he has a right to know what you have done to him. He has a right to decide for himself if he wants to forgive you and put your marriage back together.

ANYTHING else will just be a lie. If you do not tell your husband the full truth, your marriage will be built on a lie. And, being a pastor's wife, I assume you know who the Father of Lies is?


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What would you do if you were not afraid?

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Mary, I'm going to keep reading, as I take a slight interest in the real you that I see glimpses of under the addiction.

But until you give your beloved husband RADICAL honesty, as befits a man with the right to choose his own reaction and future (Pep is right, he's not a pet dog that you get to call the shots for) then you aren't you.

You aren't YOU any more.

You're just a bunch of excuses and desperate panicked reasons to avoid the consequences you've clocked up.

That isn't the real you of course. I think she may come out to show us true beauty at some point.

But while you lie, I'm just talking to the addict.

So I will bow out temporarily and return to posting when I have a truthful person to talk to.

I look forward to meeting you.

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Mary, please don't become a liar for life.

Your previous errors of judgment are minor compared to a decision making you a liar for life.

The real poison darts of unfaithfulness are the lies.
Lies destroy the intimacy of a marriage.
Equally important, lies for life destroy you, your character, your integrity.


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