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I'm not comfortable posting my letter on the message board. Would anyone be willing for me to send a pm to them so they could read it. I'm really not sure that I should give it to him. I don't want to hurt him.

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I wonder if you read our posts??


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Originally Posted by tiredwife45
So see many times it is when do I talk to him??? AT 11pm, over the phone? 5am? (I'm normally up at 4 am anyway every day. I can't sleep.) When it is a weekend off, I don't want to ruin it for him by bringing up something unpleasant. He is in his overalls, digging weeds around the tomatoes or using the weedeater around the fencerow or his great love riding his tractor. It just doesn't seem like the right time.

How about giving him the letter you discussed? Complaints are a good thing in a good marriage and an irritant in a bad marriage. A complaint is like getting an NSF notice from the bank. Getting them is unpleasant, but not getting them is a disaster. Ask yourself what would happen if the bank never notified you of overdrafts.

A big source of the problems in your marriage is that you have NOT complained. That has led to a lack of problem solving that has resulted in an unhappy marriage. One cannot solve problems if they are ignored.


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So would you be willing to read my letter to make sure it is ok?? Yes, I have read your posts.. But I don't tell my true feelings to anyone because I might be wrong and whose to say my point of view is correct? I just want everyone to be happy with me. If I share my view then they might not be... I don't have a clue how to do that.

Anyway, I need someone to read my letter to see if they think it will be ok.

Also, it isn't an unhappy marriage. I have no plans to leave him. Why would I? I love him so very much.

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Originally Posted by tiredwife45
Also, it isn't an unhappy marriage. I have no plans to leave him. Why would I? I love him so very much.

Yes, I would be happy to read your letter and give you feedback. However, if you were happy in your marriage, you would not be here seeking help. Your marriage is not happy at all. But we can help you change that!

No one has suggested you leave!


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It says your pm is disabled. How do I send it to you?

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Did you not want to post it, TW? If you could post it, others could also give you feedback. The PMs are disabled on this forum.


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But it has names and such on it... Let me do some editing. Maybe I could just post it for a few hours and then delete it...

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Originally Posted by tiredwife45
But it has names and such on it... Let me do some editing. Maybe I could just post it for a few hours and then delete it...

good idea!


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TW, first off, I would cut that back to about 3 -5 short, CONCISE paragraphs. Reading through this I have no idea what you want, other than to give your opinion of HIM and toss out some disrespectful judgments. He can't possibly know what you want. Your issues aren't even stated here, that you are unhappy and would like to have a happier marriage. That is the TRUTH and this problem will never be fixed if you want to tap dance around that.

Instead of judging him, I would tell him about your unhappiness and how you think that can resolved.

Nor does "love languages" have any kind of plan to repair marriages..It is strictly a program about communication. It has no plan to restore the love in a marriage. And people who are in love don't have problems "communicating!" So please, my friend, don't pettifog the issue with stuff from LL and the "love tank."

Start off with your main point in your first paragraph and then drill down. Remove all the superfluous information about your own childhood, his cholesterol, his lists, etc because that is a distraction. There are also several disrespectful judgments in here, ie: "You want to spend so much time on our family: vacations, getting our place to look right. You don�t seem to care about the community or even church involvement. Jesus is important to you but not the community." What needs to be in this letter is this:

1. I love you

2. I am very unhappy

3. BECAUSE I LOVE YOU, I want us to have a happy, fulfilling marriage

4. here is how I think we can achieve this.

More is not better when you are communicating your needs to your husband. Precise, concise language is imperative with a detached spouse.

I hope this helps!


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Originally Posted by tiredwife45
It isn�t your fault I feel this way.

TW, it *IS* his fault that you feel neglected and that is what he needs to understand. Until he accepts this, and does something to make changes, nothing will change. It is his job to make you happy and it is your job to make him happy.

I would write a letter that goes something like this:

My dearest husband,

I am writing this letter because we have so little time together and this is very important to me. I am hopeful you will read this over and take time to think about it so we can formulate a plan together.

I want our marriage to be the happiest place in our lives and I know it is not. I know it can be, though. I feel it is the lowest priority in our lives, behind church, your career, our home chores, vacations, everything. I can't remember the last time we went out on a date with just us two. We don't spend enough time together to sustain a happy, fulfilled, intimate marriage.

It is because of my love for you that I feel I must be honest about my feelings. I have felt neglected and unhappy for a very long time. I yearn for the intimacy and romance that we once had. I want our marriage to be our greatest source of happiness.

I have been investigating and have found a plan that is supposed to restore the love to our marriage. It is a step by step plan that always works when it is followed. Would you be interested in joining me in this program?

All my love, tiredwife45


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But that isn't what i want. I want him to go get help so he will finally be happy. That is all I want..for him to be happy. I am unhappy because he is unhappy.

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"You need help" rarely goes over well in marriage. It's a disrespectful judgment.

"I need help. Your behavior is bothering me, and I need your help to effect change so I can be happy" will go over much better.


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When you give him this letter, I would print this out and include it:


When should you tell your spouse, "We have a problem."

Undivided Attention

And this is from his book, Effective Marriage Counseling:

Originally Posted by Dr Willard Harley
When I found that the model I've developed had helped over 90% of those I was counseling, I gave up my career as a college professor and started counseling full-time. At the time, I didn't assume that it would save all of the marriages it seemed to help, because I felt there were factors beyond a couple's control. But after 35 years of experience with this model, I'm not convinced that it works with 100% of couples who follow it. I've yet to witness one couple out of the tens of thousands I've seen, that did not experience a healthy and happy marriage by following this model. Personally, I feel it's the only answer to the question, how can a couple have a great marriage for life?

But it's very difficult to prove that one model of marital satisfaction is superior to another. The ultimate test is to randomly assign couples to various models and to measure their marital satisfaction after the provisions of each model have been implemented.

The training of therapists is a huge problem: How can we be sure that the therapist assigned to each model was properly trained? And there's also the problem of representation and random assignment: Does the group of volunteer couples represent the population at large? And is the assignment to treatment groups really random? There's also the ethical problem of assigning couples to a control group where they receive no effective treatment. When they divorce, does the researcher bear any responsibility? Finally, if someone who has a stake in the outcome does the research, it usually shows that their approach is best. Shouldn't studies of alternative models of marital satisfaction be conducted by those neutral to the outcome?

My own personal experience led me to the model I've been using for the past 35 years. But that's not proof of it's superiority over other models. What I need is objective studies conducted by those who have no bias that compare this model to others. That's hard to find even among those who have published hundreds of articles on martial therapy.

But I can direct you to three studies that support my enthusiasm. They all deal with my book, His Needs, Her Needs, the popular application of my model, and the effect it has on couples that read it.

The readers of Marriage Partnership Magazine were asked which self-help book on marriage helped their marriages the most. In that survey, His Needs, Her Needs came out on top. I didn't know that the survey was even being conducted, so when I called the editor after the results came in, I was curious to know more. He told me that it not only was the top choice, but it was far ahead of second place (Ron R. Lee. Best Books for a Better Marriage: Reader's Survey . Marriage Partnership Magazine, Spring 1998).

In a national survey that I sponsored, people were asked if any self-help book on marriage solved their marital problems. Out of 57 books that were read, only three were reported to have actually solved marital problems. The three were the Bible, James Dobson's Love for a Lifetime, and His Needs, Her Needs (Lynn Hanacek Gravel. Americans and Marriage: National Survey of US Adults. Barna Research Group, 2001).

Finally, five out of six couples that read His Needs Her Needs were found to experience significant improvement in marital satisfaction (Julie D. Braswell. The Impact of Reading a Self-Help Book on the Topic of Gender Differences on One's Perceived Quality of Marriage. Doctoral Dissertation, 1998, Azusa Pacific University.

Granted, these findings are not conclusive evidence that the model I use is superior to every other model of marital satisfaction. But when you find one that works for every couple that actually follows it, you have to be impressed. And coming as I did from almost zero effectiveness to almost complete success, I can't begin to tell you how convinced I am that it's the solution to a very difficult problem we face in our society.


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So I should reword the letter to please get help so I can be happy????

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Originally Posted by tiredwife45
But that isn't what i want. I want him to go get help so he will finally be happy. That is all I want..for him to be happy. I am unhappy because he is unhappy.

Your marriage is unhappy. Your unhappiness comes from an unhappy marriage. People are not happy because someone else is happy, but because THEY are happy.

And I know why he is unhappy. It is very likely because of his career, which is something Dr Harley could help him with. Men are typically depressed over their careers, women over their marriages.


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Originally Posted by tiredwife45
So I should reword the letter to please get help so I can be happy????

You are unhappy because you are being neglected in your marriage. He is not meeting your needs in any way, shape, or form.


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