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I was offended when people here said I abused my spouse, too.
But after awhile, thanks to Dr. Harley's persuading, I came to believe that they were right, and that one of the reasons we were both miserable was that I was abusing my wife, and that ending this once and for all was one of the most important problems for me to work on in life.
Prisca has grown much LESS tolerant of my abuse, and that's a good thing.
If you are serious about saving your marriage, you can't get it all on this forum. You've got to listen to the Marriage Builders Radio show, every day. Install the app! Married to my radiant trophy wife, Prisca, 19 years. Father of 8. Attended Marriage Builders weekend in May 2010 If your wife is not on board with MB, some of my posts to other men might help you.
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Sugercane's advise to you on your wife's thread was excellent: I can see that you are asking us to stop taking sides based on a partial view of the events in your marriage. I agree that posters taking sides can set one spouse against the other, and can exacerbate the sense of war within the marriage. What we should all be trying to achieve is for the couple to work with each other on the marriage, not fight each other.
I think that since you feel that the advice you are getting here is advising your wife to do harm to your relationship, you should try to get advice directly from Dr Harley. He will give you free advice on the radio show, and follow up that advice with you in private, via email, for free. I know that your wife has done this, but without your cooperation and input it probably still feels to you as if you were unfairly demonised to him.
If you feel that a one-sided picture has been painted and responded to, then you must see that the best scenario is for you to jointly work with Dr Harley. Do not allow either one of you to get your story in first, as this results in the other spouse feeling hard done by, and becoming defensive. Make an agreement to work together on MB for the good of your marriage. You are not each other's enemy. Put down your weapons and agree to cooperate in asking for Dr Harley's help.
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BTW, I'm not taking sides. No one has been harder on your wife about her lovebusters than I have been.
It is not "taking sides" to point out to you how you are hurting your wife and damaging your marriage.
Most people here would probably consider themselves a friend to your marriage -- they want to see your marriage succeed, with neither of you gaining at the others expense.
Dr. Harley certainly feels that way. And I think you should contact him about your concerns.
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I see a lot of DJ's and SD's here. Am I the only one? What am I missing? I see a lot of DJs and SDs on your part, as well. In addition, she is getting advice from a complete stranger who has major maritial problems of her own. This arm-chair-therapist is telling my wife to leave me, yet she knows nothing about the totality of our lives, only the tiny slice that my wife has shared and even that is one-sided. Knowing that my wife is even interacting with her after some of her direct assaults on me is a LB. It hurts that my wife is not standing up for me- LB. Anything to say about this? Change how you treat your wife. Can you be specific?
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Ship, man, I don't know if you're reading the tea leaves, but you don't have much time here to get on board. On the board we have seen this happen countless times. Today it sounds like you can still turn things around with some talk and action. But one day very soon if it hasn't already happened, the tipping point will be hit and it will take a lot of consistent action over long periods of time to make your way back to the other side of the river again. No one else can choose for you.
My ex-H is really distraught now watching our kids bond with my boyfriend. He tells me just wants to be married again, he sees it doesn't matter all this who is in the right stuff he used to insist on for so long. The same words would have made a world of difference to me not all that long ago. But none of it matters today.
If you want to get on board we can help you. I'm pulling for you, ship. But time to lay the pity party "oh so I guess I just don't meet your needs" stuff down, that's not going to turn this ship. Time to be the lighthouse. You can do this.
Me 40, OD 18 and YD 13 Married 15 years, Divorced 10/2010
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Thanks again everyone. This past weekend was rough; it was an eye-opener for me. I admitted to both myself and Anointed that I was not and have not been happy in our marriage for a long time. My needs have not been met and I have always been quick to give in and sacrifice. I'm currently in communication with Dr. Harley. We need help to heal our marriage, if it can be done.
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Ship,
It's good to see you posting, and even better to hear you are in communication with Dr. Harley. Your marriage can certainly be healed, and your needs can be met. The plan works when followed, and your wife is willing to follow it and make changes. So long as you are similarly willing, this is going to work.
If you are serious about saving your marriage, you can't get it all on this forum. You've got to listen to the Marriage Builders Radio show, every day. Install the app! Married to my radiant trophy wife, Prisca, 19 years. Father of 8. Attended Marriage Builders weekend in May 2010 If your wife is not on board with MB, some of my posts to other men might help you.
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Ship, I posted a radio clip to you when you first came here where Dr. Harley explains what happens when people fall in love. As you know by know, a typical man's emotional needs are different from a typical woman's emotional needs. By instinct a man tries to meet the emotional needs that are most important to him, which turn out to be not so important to her. And in the same way a woman tries to meet the emotional needs that are most important to her, which turn out to be not so important to him.
But when a person falls in love, something happens. The hormones and brain chemistry change, and the instincts change. Now her instincts are telling her to be VERY interested in sex, with the man she is in love with. And now his instincts are telling him to be VERY interested in conversation and affection with the woman he loves. What was hard and unnatural before suddenly becomes easy, because the instincts give you an incredible boost.
If you will follow Dr. Harley's advice, your wife will fall in love with you, and you will receive all the benefits of that boost. Your needs will be met. Dr. Harley says he has men calling him back asking what in the world could have possibly happened, because it looks like their wives have suddenly started taking hormone supplements or something.
If you are serious about saving your marriage, you can't get it all on this forum. You've got to listen to the Marriage Builders Radio show, every day. Install the app! Married to my radiant trophy wife, Prisca, 19 years. Father of 8. Attended Marriage Builders weekend in May 2010 If your wife is not on board with MB, some of my posts to other men might help you.
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Thanks again everyone. This past weekend was rough; it was an eye-opener for me. I admitted to both myself and Anointed that I was not and have not been happy in our marriage for a long time. My needs have not been met and I have always been quick to give in and sacrifice. I'm currently in communication with Dr. Harley. We need help to heal our marriage, if it can be done. Do you feel that Dr Harley has given you any help so far? Would you mind telling us what suggestions he has made? (You might not want to tell us, I understand.)
BW Married 1989 His PA 2003-2006 2 kids.
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I was not and have not been happy in our marriage for a long time... and I have always been quick to give in and sacrifice. And that combination has lead to a complete lack of care and compassion for your wife. It seems you react with annoyance. If there is one thing I can offer you, it is this; that this program isn't just for your wife; it is for YOU. It is for your MARRIAGE. As you work through this, you will find that you will be happier and more fulfilled. You can do this. It's not effortless, but it is infinitely rewarding.
"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field." - Niels Bohr
"Smart people believe weird things because they are skilled at defending beliefs they arrived at for non-smart reasons." - Michael Shermer
"Fair speech may hide a foul heart." - Samwise Gamgee LOTR
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