WW wanted to see DD again today but wanted to do it outside the house. Her reasoning was she didn't want an altercation. I politely declined and said there wouldn't be one. Any thoughts in what she is thinking? My thoughts are she is feeling guilty about the situation and being in our home is dredging it up. Need a decoder please!

Nothing new. Lost another 10lbs! Working out very hard in the gym. DS got sick and had to stay home from work to take care of him. Mailed her a letter with a certificate to get a massage at a spa and a rose. I got a response about what my motive is and I replied with "I know you have back pains thought this may help." Any good gift ideas for valentine's day since I probably won't spend it with her? Should I just ignore it and treat it as another day?

Simple. Card. Modest but special chocolate.

Thanks I was thinking of DS and I making a card and getting chocolates as well. In the card include a picture of WW and me before the affair. Too much?

Sorry, dude, the most empathy I could develop for her would be to send a pre-affair picture of the FOUR of you, with DSS cut out of the photo!

But, then again, I'm heartless!

LMAO! NG I like you were both aholes but I'm in plan A and that's not very plan A like now is it?! Enjoy the Super Bowl everyone! If your following my thread sorry about the nonsensical posts just keeping my habit of posting everyday. God bless!

I'm in plan A and that's not very plan A like now is it?!

Yeah, dude, my Plan A would have been the worst one on record, kinda like when Attila Plan A'd Rome!

Who do you like Sunday?

Ravens by 21! Also thought of sending a pic reminding her of our SF lol but that isn't plan A like either!

Not for most women, it wouldn't be.

I have Ravens too, but I don't know if it's going to be by 3 TD.

As long as they can stop Kapernick from running.

Also thought of sending a pic reminding her of our SF lol but that isn't plan A like either!

Not for most women, it wouldn't be.

Shhhhhh, don't let Bride hear that!

Bride is likely in a different space than Mrs. Dark....

Bride is likely in a different space than Mrs. Dark....

Blessedly so.

I would not send a valentine card.
If anything send a picture of your family with a note: "I am willing to work with you to create a loving romantic marriage and get our family back together"

I would not reward her with chocolate and a spa. She's abandoned her son in puerto Rico. Is children services going to make him attend school? What is he doing all day?

I would not include a photo. That is trying to force WW to admit there were good times between the two of you.

Where is the stick in your plan A. You need to try and meet WW needs. You also have to make WW face the consequences of her banging the OM.

Example, When WW comebacks you do not pick WW up at the air port. It is WW's problem to find a way to get back home. You calmlt tell WW that being she has OM in her life, she has made it the OM's problem to help her with her problems.

WW you can not have two men taking care of you at the same time.

Don't know about SS. I follow that mantra road. Her ENs are typical of females. Affection conversation etc. We had a nice conversation last time we talked and I got the card and spa for affection. Next time I will try to be physically affectionate. We will see how that goes. So by forcing her to see the good times is a bad thing? I get the feeling she is deleting all the fun times in our marriage aka rewriting and I thought the picture would help.

I haven't read your whole thread, so I apologize in advance if I am completely off base...

It seems like your attempts to deposit love bank units are simply irritating her. If that's the case, you could be making an unintentional withdrawal each time you attempt to make a deposit. I'm getting the impression that she is interpreting your Plan A as a sign of weakness/desperation, and that is a major turn off for her.

Tranquil, I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. About 3 weeks into my Plan B, I put together a photo album of me and Kiss during our happier times. On our honeymoon, on our family vacation, in Rhode Island where we would spend a week. I left it in a gift bag on the doorstep of his "love shack" and off I went with the kids. Within a couple of days, kiss broke it off with his skank and started to work on the marriage. Not a Plan B move but I believe it made a difference. Of course, I don't know for sure. It would be nice to have Kiss weigh in on that.

I say send the picture, send a few pictures or a photo album of the family. It won't hurt and it might make a difference. Either way, it's a nice gesture for her to have something to remember the family.

I disagree JC, I think she is baiting me to be an angry and abusive to justify her claims. The fact I am not is making her second guess her choices. She compliments me 2-3 times everytime I see her then immediately counters it with a fake snotty comment. "Your new outfit is nice you lost a lot of weight! Your pants are wrinkled though. "

Makes me think she hasn't shut the door but her fugged up loyalty to POSOM makes her apprehensive. She also stated that i should be happy cause im getting what i want (divorce). I politely said I want my family together and for us to work on the marriage but I will not stand by and let you lay up with some POSOM and hurt me and whenever she is ready for NC we can do it. She went on to say that I never wanted to be married and she was a trophy wife. I said no you weren't and that I will do what it takes to fix our marriage and expect her to do the same and if we can change the subject unless she agrees to NC POSOM. Either way she is still on the fence and Plan A till divorce is my best bet. I will do the pictures because I think its a good thing and won't hurt, who knows maybe she will have a turn around like kiss?