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My husband and I are working through his affair. We have been to a very good christian counselor who has helped a lot. He had us read "His Needs, Her Needs" as part of our sessions. I understand that full recovery will take time, but I am plagued with nightmares over the affair. He has an affair and I find out and confront him, he does not deny, laughs at me. All the dreams are the same. Different setting, different events, all the same situation. I have flashbacks(for lack of a better word) and panic attacks. Memories flash into my head. The pain is so very real again. I can't breath sometimes. I want to cry. I want to run. I want to scream. I am so very tired of this. I want to move on. I want peace again. I want our love back without all the hurt. Anyone have any advice?
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Please tell us your story. The vets will be here shortly to get you through this.
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My husband and I are working through his affair. We have been to a very good christian counselor who has helped a lot. He had us read "His Needs, Her Needs" as part of our sessions. I understand that full recovery will take time, but I am plagued with nightmares over the affair. He has an affair and I find out and confront him, he does not deny, laughs at me. All the dreams are the same. Different setting, different events, all the same situation. I have flashbacks(for lack of a better word) and panic attacks. Memories flash into my head. The pain is so very real again. I can't breath sometimes. I want to cry. I want to run. I want to scream. I am so very tired of this. I want to move on. I want peace again. I want our love back without all the hurt. Anyone have any advice? NickleD: Welcome to MB. You have landed at the right place. You are on the "emotional roller coaster". Most of us have been there also. Marriage builders has a specific plan for recovery, and the veterans here will guide you through it. There IS a way out of the pain you are feeling. Focus on DOING the tasks the vets suggest, and keep posting here. Have you read the "Welcome. Start Here" post at the beginning of this thread? If not, do so now.
Me: BW, 57 fWH: 63 (Taffy1) Serial cheater Presently on the Recovery Road, in the Online program.
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Welcome NickleD, so sorry that you are going through this. Please tell us more. Who is the OW? Who have you told about the affair?
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Thank you all for your welcome. It means a lot to me. My story is sorid and goes back too far for details, but I will try to put it forward as best as I can. Our history: We have been married for 20 years. We have a total of 5 grown kids,(mine, his, ours) My marriage had been going down hill for a while, a longer while than even I realized. In May of 2011, it came to a head in that I knew a relationship was developing between my husband and a friend of ours. He agreed to put a stop to it and I blindly believed him. In June 2012, all was revealed. It had been going on in front of my face. He would see her while I worked two jobs (75 to 80 hours a week) I know that didn't help, but our bills dictated otherwise. I finally quit my second job in Dec. 2011, deciding we would sink or swim and tried to put my life back together. We agreed to counseling and begain seeing a pastor who was recommened by a friend. He was great. Helped us call sin a sin concerning the affair and the life we were living and helped us move forward. No contact was agreed upon, but I found out just a few months ago, that there has still been contact for a while after we had started counseling. When I found out about the continued contact, he admited to it, but stated that he had not heard from her in a while, that she had moved on. After I had begun to trust and believe all was going to work out, this new revolation set me back farther than I was, I think. So, here we are, eight months later, and I am finding it very very hard to move forward. I pray everynight for God's grace and for the strength to forgive both him and her. But, the nightmares, the flashbacks, the panic attacks all remind me over, and over again. We have not told anyone of our situation upon the advice of our counselor. It would not affect anyone in her life, and only cause hate and discontent in our families toward him. My family does know that we are having problems, and working them out, but they do not know details.
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You are not alone. We are in the same boat. I didn't know what a panic attack felt like until I found out about all my WW's affairs. I can't sleep and wake every night in a cold sweat. You will get over this though in time and with healing. Do what is suggested, don't be afraid. Read the other folks' stories.
BH Me 34 WW 29 DS 7, DD 5 Multiple EAs 2006-2011 PA 1 OM1 2/2012; D-Day1 3/14/2012; NC 4/1/2012; broke NC 05/2012 PA 2 ONS OW1 7/11/12 PA 3 OM2 1/06/2013; D-Day2 1/14/2013 Divorcing 1/22 Plan A 1/23 Worthless attempt at Trickle Exposure Multiple PAs OW2,3,&4 since 1/27/2013 WW moved out 3/5/2013 Temp Custody of DS and DD 3/21/13 WW moved back D-Day 3 9/1/13 NC/FR 9/3/13 WW moved out 9/17/13
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... No contact was agreed upon, but I found out just a few months ago, that there has still been contact for a while after we had started counseling. When I found out about the continued contact, he admited to it, but stated that he had not heard from her in a while, that she had moved on. After I had begun to trust and believe all was going to work out, this new revolation set me back farther than I was, I think. So, here we are, eight months later, and I am finding it very very hard to move forward. ... NickleD, what specific steps has he taken to live a life that is completely transparent to you & help ensure no contact?
Me: FWH, 50 My BW: Trust_Will_Come, 52, tall, beautiful & heart of gold DD23, DS19 EA-then-PA Oct'08-Jan'09 Broke it off & confessed to BW (after OW's H found out) Jan.7 2009 Married 25 years & counting. Grateful for forgiveness. Working to be a better husband. "I wear the chain I forged in life... I made it link by link, and yard by yard" ~Jacob Marley's ghost, A Christmas Carol "Do it again & you're out on your [bum]." ~My BW, Jan.7 2009
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So, here we are, eight months later, and I am finding it very very hard to move forward. I pray everynight for God's grace and for the strength to forgive both him and her. But, the nightmares, the flashbacks, the panic attacks all remind me over, and over again. We have not told anyone of our situation upon the advice of our counselor. It would not affect anyone in her life, and only cause hate and discontent in our families toward him. My family does know that we are having problems, and working them out, but they do not know details. Hi Nickle, welcome to Marriage Builders. you are in the right place. Recovery from an affair is a very, very narrow path and one of the reasons your husband continued his affair for so long is because you did not follow that path. For example, the environment that made it possible for your husband to have an affair should have been changed immediately. If he traveled for a living, he should have stopped. If you lived close to the OW, then moving might have been the solution. Everything should have been done to ensure he never sees or speaks to this OW again. He should never contact her again and should cut off all avenues of previous contact. The point is that the environment has to change in order to end the affair. Additionally, you should access to everything, his cell phone, voice mails, everything. You should create such an integrated lifestyle that it would be impossible to create the necessary secret second life. Once the marriage has been affair proofed, your husband should give you the entire truth about his affair. Every question should be answered in full, even if it means taking a polygraph. One of the most important steps towards recovery is exposing the affair. The affair should be exposed to your children, close friends and close family members. The purpose of exposure is to gain support for your family and so that others can hold your husband accountable. Dr Bill Harley calls exposure the most important first step towards recovery. Keeping the affair secret is what is harmful because affairs thrive on secrecy. Keeping it a secret also helps fuel the fantasy of the affair in your husband's mind. Exposure eliminates that by making the affair seem less attractive. The next step is to create a romantic, passionate, integrated marriage using the 10 Basic Concepts of Marriage Builders. Have all of these steps been taken? And is there anything that is triggering you? Has your husband changed his life in a such a radical way that it would be impossible to carry on an affair?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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"Exposure is very likely to end the affair, lifting the fog that has overcome the unfaithful spouse, helping him or her become truly repentant and willing to put energy and effort into a full marital recovery. In my experience with thousands of couples who struggle with the fallout of infidelity, exposure has been the single most important first step toward recovery. It not only helps end the affair, but it also provides support to the betrayed spouse, giving him or her stamina to hold out for ultimate recovery." "The reason for the wide exposure is not to hurt the unfaithful spouse, but rather to end the fantasy. Your husband's secret second life made his affair possible, and the more you can to to make it public, the easier it is for him to see the damage he's doing. Keeping it secret does damage, but few know about it. Making it public helps everyone, including the unfaithful spouse and lover, see the affair for what it really is." "The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide. I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail. The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy. This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted. An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them. After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance. Your nightmares are only the tip of the iceberg. They are but a small reflection of the suffering you experienced when you discovered your husband's affair, and the fear you have that the suffering will be repeated. You have no assurance that the affair is over because you don't even know who the other woman is. You are being asked to trust your husband, who has already proven to be untrustworthy. For all you know, he could be working with her, or you could be going to the same church, or she could be your neighbor. And since he won't discuss the details of how the affair took place, you have no assurance that another affair will not take its place. Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details." here
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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A few questions:
1. has your husband ever had an affair before? Have you?
2. is the OW married, and if so, did you inform her husband?
3. how close does she live to you? D
4. does he EVER see her anywhere? anyhow?
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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