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I must admit that I have not listened to the show.

What is VAR?

I have tried talking to her about WE need to work out OUR problems. She refuses to admit we have serious trouble, even though we have discussed divorce more than once in the past.

We just had the facebook fight two days ago, and just now, she called and asked if she can go to a concert, 3 hours away, with one of her girlfriends. This is what I mean. Nothing seems to soak in with her. I told her we need to work out OUR problems first....and she said "OK, so that means I can go then?" We had a huge fight over the last concert she went to, but she just keeps wanting to go. No regard to the outcome.

I told her we would discuss that when she got home tonight.

We always have the same fights, over the same things over and over.

Why wouldn't she realize what starts the fights and avoid the cause? I don't understand. She her answer is always "I didn't think".

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Originally Posted by optimism
When I was wayward I wonder if I would have responded to an approach from my wife-at-the-time with "neither of us are happy in this relationship right now. Let's refocus on each other for real, with NO distractions, and see if we can build the marriage we both dream of, with each other. Let's do it for US and our kids and family. I have found a plan that has helped other couples in the same situation and I'd like us to try it together, what do you think? If it doesn't work with real effort, then maybe it's time we talked about going our separate ways, but let's work together first."

I have a feeling my now-ex might have responded differently to the above. But I didn't have the wherewithal at the time to give that a go.

Very good point Opt.

Cope, first and foremost eliminate the question regarding an affair. Snoop hard.

As far as these other ideas � save your money. The flower idea only runs the risk of confusing yourself more. If you want to know what she�s doing then be 007 and snoop like crazy. Follow the advice given by the veterans here and quit listening to buddies who have no concept of how to handle affair snooping. You�re driving yourself crazy with your speculating. Get busy. Find the truth. Do it today.

Until you know the truth we won�t know how to guide you through your struggles.

While you are doing that stop with the demands.

If she�s not in an affair then you making a demand �me or the phone� is only going to create more distance between you. There is a kinder, gentler, more respectful way to go about this. Opt gave some great examples. The intent is to get agreement from her that things could be better. Agreement that the M is the most important thing and that, right now, it isn�t being handled as such.

There is a list of questions you could probably ask her (survey type questions) that would give you an understanding of where she places the M in relation to everything else in your life. If she has friends and visits often it isn�t the end of the world or all that bad AS LONG AS you two are getting in enough of your own UA time. And that the M is the priority over all else.

Dr Harley preaches where the M should be placed in life�s priorities. Do you believe them to be true? Do you state your beliefs to your W? Would she agree with them?

�Honey, you are the most important person in my life. I value our M more than anything else. It is my belief that I dedicate my life to being with you and having our time be the most enjoyable thing in my life. Having friends is great and are important but they come second to you. Do you see things differently than that?�.

The conversation can take off from there. Seek to gain her perspective of where you fit in her life. If she doesn�t believe as Dr Harley does (and all of us here) maybe you can ask her if she thinks the M can survive if it isn�t put as the top priority. What would that look like? Where do you fit in, etc?


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Cope you need to stop fighting with her. You need to be a better person than that. You are driving her away.

Your W isn't romantically in love with you. If she were you'd be her top priority. She would be concerned about her LoveBusters and her lack of meeting your needs.

Rule out the affair.

Meanwhile be the best H you can be. Do a great Plan A. Stop fighting with her. Fill her needs.

Once an affair is ruled out we'll go from there.


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Originally Posted by BrainHurts
Did you listen to these?


FWW/BW (me)
WH
2nd M for both
Blended Family with 7 kids between us
Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.



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VAR=Voice activating recorder VAR


FWW/BW (me)
WH
2nd M for both
Blended Family with 7 kids between us
Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.



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it's never too late to listen to the show or the clips. you'll be glad you did.
Plan A would allow you to express your disappointment that she is wanting to go to a concert without you - afterall you are striving for a relationship in which you are both each other's favorite recreational companions. But you can't fight about it -- this only strengthens her resolve.

If she goes to the concert I would definitely plant the VAR just prior if it's not already there. Concerts are great places to be wayward. You could even hire/send a PI to the concert - an easy gig for him/her and she would never suspect it.

Hold her hand when you talk to her. Focus on reestablishing a connection. It's hard to fight when you're looking into someone's eyes and physically connected.

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Me: 43 y.o. BFWH, D-day 11/11/09 (NC since 9/01)
Divorce from WW final 9/16/10.
Current Status: MB-based Marriage to Nature Girl 12/8/12 (first date on 12/11/10)
Mine: S(16), D(11)
NatureGirls: S(23), D(21)
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Any luck over the weekend, '80?
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Me: 43 y.o. BFWH, D-day 11/11/09 (NC since 9/01)
Divorce from WW final 9/16/10.
Current Status: MB-based Marriage to Nature Girl 12/8/12 (first date on 12/11/10)
Mine: S(16), D(11)
NatureGirls: S(23), D(21)
Another EA Story
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