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My husband had a four and a half month affair starting in late May 2012. I discovered the affair in Mid September. I asked him if he wanted a divorce and he said no. He told me that he thought I ddin't love him anymore and that his affair partner was everything a wife should be. He said he still loved me and wanted to work on our marriage. We've been going to counseling for five months now. During the affair he paid her cell phone bill and her car payment. In mid February, I discovered that she called him and asked for money. Again, he paid her cell phone bill and gave her $160 in cash. I freaked out about it and he told me that I couldn't put this incident on the same level as the affair. He said that he's not involved with her anymore. Any advice?

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Originally Posted by CRenee
My husband had a four and a half month affair starting in late May 2012. I discovered the affair in Mid September. I asked him if he wanted a divorce and he said no.

He told me that he thought I ddin't love him anymore and that his affair partner was everything a wife should be. He said he still loved me and wanted to work on our marriage.

We've been going to counseling for five months now.

During the affair he paid her cell phone bill and her car payment. In mid February, I discovered that she called him and asked for money. Again, he paid her cell phone bill and gave her $160 in cash.

I freaked out about it and he told me that I couldn't put this incident on the same level as the affair. He said that he's not involved with her anymore. Any advice?

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I'm sorry you are here.
WH is still ready-willing-able to lie to you.
Your WH is still in contact with OW.
Their affair did not end in 2012.
5 months of useless counseling.

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The thing that scares me the most is that he has told me that he has nothing to work on personally. He said he had the affair only as a result of the state of our marriage. Neither one of us was a perfect spouse before his affair but I did not deserve what he did. In addition to marriage counseling, I see a different therapist on a weekly basis. My head is still a mess from all of this. My friends and family want me to leave him but I can't bring myself to do it. Am I weak?

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Originally Posted by CRenee
The thing that scares me the most is that he has told me that he has nothing to work on personally. He said he had the affair only as a result of the state of our marriage. Neither one of us was a perfect spouse before his affair but I did not deserve what he did. In addition to marriage counseling, I see a different therapist on a weekly basis. My head is still a mess from all of this. My friends and family want me to leave him but I can't bring myself to do it. Am I weak?

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Originally Posted by CRenee
Am I weak?

You are a conflict avoider.

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Originally Posted by CRenee
The thing that scares me the most is that he has told me that he has nothing to work on personally.

What is more frightening?
Conflict avoidance instead of positive/bold/courageous actions.

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CN,

Many of us have been in the same situation that you are now. It is a confusing time. It is helpful to know that you are not alone and that there are plans that can help you either recover your marriage or recover personally.

Have you been able to read the links about the MB plans?

AM

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My husband and I are both conflict avoiders. I have read the articles on this site about surviving an affair. It seems to me that my husband isn't willing to do what it takes to heal our marriage. That's why I made the comment that he feels he has nothing to work on personally. I am aware that I have my own issues to work on as well as work with him to make our marriage better. I don't want to give up if there is still hope but after his actions in mid February, I just don't know.

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What things did you and your husband do after you found out about his affair? Did you expose the affair? If so, who to? How does your H know the OW? Do they work together? What are the conditions that allowed the affair to occur? When/where did he see her? You said that H gave OW money in Feb after she called him. Are there other occasions when they could have been in contact?

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Originally Posted by CRenee
My husband and I are both conflict avoiders. I have read the articles on this site about surviving an affair. It seems to me that my husband isn't willing to do what it takes to heal our marriage. That's why I made the comment that he feels he has nothing to work on personally. I am aware that I have my own issues to work on as well as work with him to make our marriage better. I don't want to give up if there is still hope but after his actions in mid February, I just don't know.

There is no hope if your husband won't agree to a plan of recovery. If he won't do that, then you are facing a future of affairs. The conditions for recovery are non-negotiable and if he won't do that, then Dr Harley would advise you to separate and go into Plan B.

I would give him this plan for recovery and if he won't agree to implement these extraordinary precautions, I would ask him to leave.

I am sorry you have wasted your time in marriage counseling instead of focusing on a plan to save your marriage. All that has done is enabled your husband to continue his affair. Marriage counselors are destructive to marriages especially when there has been an affair. Here is the plan for recovery:

Originally Posted by Dr Bill Harley
The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here
as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.

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Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details.
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CRenee, I would start by exposing his affair to your family and friends. Is the OW married? If so, I would expose to her husband. If you can find her on facebook, it would be good to expose this to her parents.

Then I would set your husband down and give him a list of your conditions. It is up to you to hold him accountable.

Ask him/her to send a no contact letter to the OP that is written together, approved by you and mailed together. [template below from SAA]

Set him down and explain that you want to have a romantic, loving, SAFE marriage and that you won�t stay in a loveless marriage. Tell him you are willing to give him an opportunity to earn your forgiveness. In order for the marriage to recover, certain things have to happen. This is what it will take to keep you interested:

1. end all contact with the OW for life - he will have to PROVE it

2. no more nights apart or going out without each other - create a healthy, integrated lifestyle

3. complete transparency - cell phone passwords, etc

4. no more opposite sex friendships

5. complete honesty about his affair<s> � passing a polygraph

6. commit to the Marriage Builders program for recovery as outlined in the book Surviving an Affair.

Tell him "this is what it will take to keep me in this marriage." Whether your marriage ends up with success or failure will depend almost entirely on heis willingness and ability to make radical changes. His lifestyle must become absolutely transparent, holding nothing back. He is in no position to negotiate when it comes to extraordinary precautions, because those precautions are designed to prevent another affair and help you feel safe. He must also meet your emotional needs in a way that until now he has failed. Unless he makes a 180 degree turn in her approach to what it means to be a husband, your marriage won't recover, it will be a crippled version of your pre-affair marriage.

You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by taking this approach, because if he won't do these things, you will have lost nothing except a loveless, abusive marriage.

Unless you use this program to create a much better marriage than the one you had before the affair, you are likely looking at repeat affairs. So don't even think you can get away with sweeping the affair under the rug and going back to what you had before. What you had before led to the affair!


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Last Spring, my H coached our 10 yr old son's baseball team. The OW was the wife of my husband's assistant coach. On May 30th, they began texting back and forth about 200 times/day. By the height of the affair it was 600 times/day. I discovered the text messages on 9/20. They did not work together for the same company but their employers were about 10 mins apart. They would meet for lunch a couple times a week. She is no longer employed. He ended the affair on 10/15, my son's 11 b-day. My parents and a few of my co-workers (close friends) know. Because my H and I are conflict avoiders, we were like roommates who got a long well prior to the affair.

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Her H knows. She told him everything. She told her H that she was in love with my H and that they had sex and that she was leaving her H for my H. This disclosure to her H was 4 days after I found text messages on my H's phone. This all took place at the end of September. From the time I discovered the affair on 9/20 until he ended it with her on 10/15, his concern was for her. He admitted that to me. He didn't want to hurt her and he couldn't bring himself to end it with her because he says he was in love with her. He told me that she supported him emotionally, showed him passion and intimacy that had been missing from our marriage for years. He wasn't ready to give all of that up when I discovered the affair.

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Originally Posted by Mel
There is no hope if your husband won't agree to a plan of recovery. If he won't do that, then you are facing a future of affairs. The conditions for recovery are non-negotiable and if he won't do that, then Dr Harley would advise you to separate and go into Plan B.

I agree with Mel.
This is what a non-conflict avoider would do .... then follow up with actions!

"WH, I have loved you for # years. My love for you is diminishing because of your behavior. If you want to remain married to me, there are things required by both of us so that we may restore our full love for each other. Are you willing to do follow this plan to create a passionate & romantic marriage?
We have an opportunity to fix this, but we must begin now."

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Originally Posted by CRenee
Last Spring, my H coached our 10 yr old son's baseball team. The OW was the wife of my husband's assistant coach. On May 30th, they began texting back and forth about 200 times/day. By the height of the affair it was 600 times/day. I discovered the text messages on 9/20. They did not work together for the same company but their employers were about 10 mins apart. They would meet for lunch a couple times a week. She is no longer employed. He ended the affair on 10/15, my son's 11 b-day. My parents and a few of my co-workers (close friends) know. Because my H and I are conflict avoiders, we were like roommates who got a long well prior to the affair.

Did you tell the OW's husband? And did you tell your son so he will understand why he can't be on that baseball team anymore?

CRenee, everyone should know about this affair. Your husband's family, close friends and most especially the OW's husband and your son.

Affairs thrive on secrecy, so keeping it a secret only enables to affair to grow and thrive. Exposure will likely kill the affair because others can hold your husband accountable.


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Originally Posted by CRenee
Her H knows. She told him everything.

WHO told you this?


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Why was your husband paying OW cell phone and car payment if she is married ? Did she and her husband seperate after he found out she was having an affair ?

You stated in your first post that your husband said he loved you and wanted to work on your marriage, then he paid the OW's bills ??

Let me translate the wayward speak for you, since I was a wayward once.

"I love you and want to work on our marriage" (but then is still in contact with OW) = I want both of you to meet my needs. I'm high as a kite. I'll tell my wife what she wants to hear to get me out of trouble and throw her off my trail so she thinks I'm committed to her and her only".

Pepperband is great at deciphering wayward talk. If you post what your husband says, she is great at translating the fogbabble.

Sorry you are here.


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