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My wife and I have been married just under 9 years..together for about 11. We have two small children 3 and 5.

Long story short she told me in January she had been very unhappy in our marriage for 2 years--since she had had an emotional affair via-phone that she broke off after 2 months. She said I never was a good leader and didn't meet any of her emotional needs and wanted to end our marriage. Since neither of us would leave she started an in house separation. This was a tremendous wakeup call for me and I snapped out of what I realized was an almost 10 year struggle with depression...which is why I was such a crappy husband. I put all my waking hours into self development and trying to meet her needs. Then in Feb I found out that she had been having another affair for about 3 months, only this was a physical one as well.

Since I found out-(by contacting the man I suspected,not her telling me) she has asked for forgiveness and broken off all contact with the man, but is still not happy with me. She says she has never really enjoyed being with me and I have never really been the type of man she needed- The guy she had the affair with was a type A personality- ex Navy Seal and a firefighter- That's the type of guys she says she needs. I am not nor never will be that type of guy, but I have been working very hard to be a stronger leader, husband, and to meet her needs, but it has not been helping. She says although she sees the changes its just funny to watch me act that way and she doesn't think she will ever be happy with me or love me like she wants to.

We have been in counseling for about a month and she wants to continue going and staying in the house, but doesn't want to really do anything with me other than family stuff. I am very committed to our marriage and want it to work, but am emotionally drained and tired of not getting any respect. Is this lost cause or should I continue to fight for this and hope I can win her back?

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Originally Posted by JFisch
My wife and I have been married just under 9 years..together for about 11. We have two small children 3 and 5.

Long story short she told me in January she had been very unhappy in our marriage for 2 years--since she had had an emotional affair via-phone that she broke off after 2 months. She said I never was a good leader and didn't meet any of her emotional needs and wanted to end our marriage. Since neither of us would leave she started an in house separation. This was a tremendous wakeup call for me and I snapped out of what I realized was an almost 10 year struggle with depression...which is why I was such a crappy husband. I put all my waking hours into self development and trying to meet her needs. Then in Feb I found out that she had been having another affair for about 3 months, only this was a physical one as well.

Since I found out-(by contacting the man I suspected,not her telling me) she has asked for forgiveness and broken off all contact with the man, but is still not happy with me. She says she has never really enjoyed being with me and I have never really been the type of man she needed- The guy she had the affair with was a type A personality- ex Navy Seal and a firefighter- That's the type of guys she says she needs. I am not nor never will be that type of guy, but I have been working very hard to be a stronger leader, husband, and to meet her needs, but it has not been helping. She says although she sees the changes its just funny to watch me act that way and she doesn't think she will ever be happy with me or love me like she wants to.

We have been in counseling for about a month and she wants to continue going and staying in the house, but doesn't want to really do anything with me other than family stuff. I am very committed to our marriage and want it to work, but am emotionally drained and tired of not getting any respect. Is this lost cause or should I continue to fight for this and hope I can win her back?
Welcome to MB.

How did she meet OM? Is he married?

How do you verify there's been NC? Has she written a NC letter?

Are you and wife intimate? Has she been STD tested?

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She met the OM through a mutual friend about a year ago.. From what she said he started to pursue her in November. He is divorced.

She sent him a letter stating she no longer wanted contact with him and showed it to me. She also blocked him from all social media and phone. However she admits she still looks at his instagram page from time to time.

We have been intimate since then, but she is very back and forth every few days about it. Some days she wants to be with me others she doesn't.

She has not beed STD tested.

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Originally Posted by JFisch
She met the OM through a mutual friend about a year ago.. From what she said he started to pursue her in November. He is divorced.

She sent him a letter stating she no longer wanted contact with him and showed it to me. She also blocked him from all social media and phone. However she admits she still looks at his instagram page from time to time.

We have been intimate since then, but she is very back and forth every few days about it. Some days she wants to be with me others she doesn't.

She has not beed STD tested.
If she is still looking at his instagram then the affair is still on.

Has she changed all contact information?

Who was the affair exposed to?

What snooping do you have in place to verify NC?

Did you read those threads? Especially the Carrot and Stick of Plan A? What are her top ENs?


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Everyone pretty much knows about the affair. Both sides of the family,most of our friends, more people than should really know. Obviously nobody approves and the guy is not a good guy and has been arrested for assault withing the past year. She says she realized he was no good and that it would never work out, so that is why she ended it.

As far as snooping I have been watching the phone logs to make sure no contact has been made. I can access FB and e-mail through her phone and haven't seen anything yet.


She runs an at home business so changing her contact info is unrealistic and would hurt us both financially.

I did read the threads..actually read them before I wrote this and have been doing plan A, which seems to be pushing her farther away. Her EN are Affection and Financial Security. We are 50/50 on income so she doesn't really feel I meet her need in that area. As far as Affection she made it clear she wants no affection from me and pushes me away when I try to show it. She still is ok with sleeping in the same bed, but we aren't having sex.




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On a side note I brought up a comment she has made before to her yesterday about how she can't imagine any marriage never having an affair happen or having sex with the same person for the 20-3 years. She has said stuff like this before we even were married. Her longest relationship before us was 3 months and she ended all of them. I told her that I didn't beleive this was my fault and that no one man would ever truly keep her happy forever and she said that was probably true.

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the guy is not a good guy and has been arrested for assault withing the past year

Do you know who his victim was?

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Originally Posted by JFisch
We have been in counseling for about a month and she wants to continue going and staying in the house, but doesn't want to really do anything with me other than family stuff. I am very committed to our marriage and want it to work, but am emotionally drained and tired of not getting any respect. Is this lost cause or should I continue to fight for this and hope I can win her back?

I want to encourage you to call for Harley-based marriage coaching.
Drop the other counseling. It is not helping.
You can tell it's not working, because the gap between you is widening.

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Look this LINK over..... It is a very successful program.

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Name ______________________________________________________________ Duration of current marriage ________ Number of children from current marriage __________ Number of previous marriages ________
Number of children from previous marriages __________
Age _____ Education (years completed) _______
Are you currently employed outside your home? Yes ____ No ____
If so, how many hours per week do you usually work? _______
What is your present occupation? _______________________________
Age of oldest (or only) child ________ Age of youngest child _______
Best time to be reached ____________
Has infidelity ever been an issue in your marriage? Yes ____ No _____
Is infidelity an issue in your marriage now? Yes ____ No _____
Are drugs and/or alcohol an issue in your marriage now? Yes ____ No _____
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Books you have read on the topic of marriage ____________________________________
Seminars you have attended on the topic of marriage ______________________________
Briefly describe any counseling you have received in the past. Include dates, specific goals, and the outcome of the counseling. (Did you achieve your goals?)
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I don't know who the victim was other than it was a family member..One of my wife's friends googled him and showed her his public records...lots of nasty stuff.

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The councellor we are using now is basing it off the book ***EDIT***

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Ask your councelor if they have read Surviving An Affair or would be willing to do so and implement its plan.







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Jfisch, I am sorry to hear that. Marriage builders is completely different from any other program in that it actually restores the romantic love to your marriage. Unless that happens, resentment lingers and the marriage is more vulnerable after the affair than before. MB has a specific, step by step plan to recover the marriage.

It is clear your wife has no motivation to work on your marriage. You aren't going to get too far unless that changes. I would try the marriage builders counselors because they will motivate her if anyone can.


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What is your counselor doing to get you and your wife to fall in love again? Is there a plan?


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She has not gone over a plan on how to fall in love yet. We have only gone to one councelling session since she has said she was going to end the affair. I will ask her though.

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She says she has not contacted her lover since she wrote him a letter, but still thinks of him often. It's only been a few weeks so I don't expect her to be over him so quickly, but do you think that this is what is killing her motivation?

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Originally Posted by JFisch
She says she has not contacted her lover since she wrote him a letter, but still thinks of him often. It's only been a few weeks so I don't expect her to be over him so quickly, but do you think that this is what is killing her motivation?

I would not ask her if she is in contact, but I would find out on your own by snooping on her. If she is looking at his facebook page or anything else, she won't withdraw.

Most counselors don't have any idea how to save a marriage after an affair so I would caution you about this counselor. If her plan doesn't look EXACTLY like this, then you are wasting your time:

Originally Posted by Dr Bill Harley, clinical psychologist and founder of Marriage Builders
"The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here
as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.
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Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details."


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Once your marriage has been affair proofed and the conditions that led to the affair have been eliminated, implementing the Basic Steps is the next step.. The most imporatant of those steps is instituting undivided attention time, where you spend 20+ hours per week meeting each others intimate emotional needs. The intimate emotional needs are affection, conversation, recreational companionship and recreational fulfillment.

Doing this is HOW you fall in love again. Dr Harley recommends 4 - 4 hour dates per week, where you are alone together. No TV, movies, children, etc. This is how people fall in love and this is one of the most important ways that a couple fall in love again. The Policy of Undivided Attention


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