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S, I really do want to help you, but that is going to be very hard if I have to read through a long post to understand the situation. Can you be more concise in your future posts? You will get a lot more help that way. Please.

The next steps are for him to end his affairs and send the OW a no contact letter. He should give you all of the information about her. Her full name, what she does, where he met her. He has to tell you everything about her and agree to never see her again.

I would also ask him to agree to take a polygraph to verify all of the information.

The next step will be to affair proof your marriage. This means accounting for all of time even if it means quitting his job and spending all of your leisure time together. No nights out without each other.

If he won't agree to these things, then he needs to pack his bags and leave NOW.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Originally Posted by Dr Bill Harley
My advice is to write a final letter in a way that the victimized spouse would agree to send it. It should begin with a statement of how selfish it was to cause those they loved so much pain, and while marital reconciliation cannot completely repay the offense, it's the right thing to do. A statement should be made about how much the unfaithful spouse cares about his spouse and family, and for their protection, has decided to completely end the relationship with the lover. He or she has promised never to see or communicate with the lover again in life, and asks the lover to respect that promise. Nothing should be said about how much the lover will be missed. After the letter is written, the victimized spouse should read and approve it before it is sent.
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OW, I want you to know that out of respect and love for my wife and children, I have come to realize that I must never see or talk to you again. My relationship with you was a cruel indulgence that BS did not deserve. While I cannot completely repay BS for the pain I caused her, I will do my best to become the husband she has been missing. I care a great deal for my family and I would not want to do anything to risk their happiness. I will not make any further contact with you and I do not want you to make any contact with me. Please respect my desire to end our relationship.

Sincerely, XXXXX



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Originally Posted by Dr. Bill Harley in Requirements for Recovery
The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.

This information is important for two reasons: (1) it creates accountability and transparency, making it essentially impossible for the unfaithful spouse to continue the affair or begin a new one unnoticed, and (2) it creates trust for the betrayed spouse, providing evidence that the affair is over and a new one is unlikely to take its place. The nightmares you experience are likely to continue until you have the facts that
will lead to your assurance that your husband can be trusted.

An analysis of the wayward spouse's childhood or emotional state of mind in an effort to discover why he or she would have an affair is distracting and unnecessary. It takes precious time away from finding the real solutions. I know why people have affairs: We are all wired for it. Given certain conditions, we would all do it. Given other conditions, however, none of us would do it. So the goal of the first step is to discover the conditions that made the affair possible and eliminate them.

After the first step is completed, the second step is to create a romantic relationship between you and your husband using my 10 Basic Concepts here
as your guide. While your relationship may be improving, it won't lead to a romantic relationship because you are not being transparent toward each other. Unspoken issues in a marital relationship lead to a superficiality that ruins romance.

Your nightmares are only the tip of the iceberg. They are but a small reflection of the suffering you experienced when you discovered your husband's affair, and the fear you have that the suffering will be repeated. You have no assurance that the affair is over because you don't even know who the other woman is. You are being asked to trust your husband, who has already proven to be untrustworthy. For all you know, he could be working with her, or you could be going to the same church, or she could be
your neighbor. And since he won't discuss the details of how the affair took place, you have no assurance that another affair will not take its place.

Infidelity is not something that can be swept under the rug. While those who have affairs want to forget about it and move on, those who are betrayed must take very specific steps before they can fully recover. In your case, those steps have not been taken, and as a result, your fear persists. I will send you a complimentary copy of my book, "Surviving an Affair," if you send me your address. It will describe these two steps to you and provide you with a roadmap toward full recovery. But the path will require full disclosure of all details.


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S, I want to caution you about the things he says. Everything he says is either a lie or a manipulation tactic. His words are meaningless. You can only go by his ACTIONS, not his words. I notice you posting a lot of his comments and I want you to understand they are about as meaningful as the words as a falling down drunk.

For example, your husband tries to minimize his affairs by saying they are not sexual. Probably a lie. He said he went to have "closure." Obviously if one is closing, they CLOSE, they don't open. It was also a lie that he didn't speak to the OW.

So I want you to see these things for what they are. Don't believe anything he says unless you have PROOF. Only go by his actions.


  • My husband is insisting that his attachments to these OW have not been physical and just emotional.
  • He said the OW did not see him and that he did not talk with her. I asked him what he would have done had she seen him and acted happy to see him and what if she'd told him that she'd missed him...and his response was that that was not why he was there. He was there to bring closure. MrRollieEyes
  • He said the OW did not see him and that he did not talk with her. I asked him what he would have done had she seen him and acted happy to see him and what if she'd told him that she'd missed him...and his response was that that was not why he was there. He was there to bring closure.


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Thank you for all your time and information. It will follow your advise to a "T". We already have the book Surviving an Affair. We've been reading it together - which I now understand was not the correct thing to do...

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Originally Posted by SnG
Thank you for all your time and information. It will follow your advise to a "T". We already have the book Surviving an Affair. We've been reading it together - which I now understand was not the correct thing to do...


Good girl! And please post your next steps and keep us updated, ok? I think you are so very detailed that others can give you feedback to keep you on the right path.

Do you know who this OW is? Can you get that information? You need to know her name, occupation and marital status. And you do know the affair needs to be exposed, right?

Do you think that your husband has really had several affairs or did he just lie about that to keep you off balance? Has there only been one OW all the time? Do you have actual EVIDENCE there were many OW


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Originally Posted by SnG
I have started on the disclosure and the first person who I told told me they had suspected it because a third party saw him with his mistress.

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You "started disclosure" but did you finish it? Have your children been told, your parents, WH's parents, anyone who can put pressure on him to do the right thing?

No offense, but it's clear that you were twisting the plans here in a way that kept your WH happy (long Plan A, sharing the information with him, etc) and that's a big red flag for an enabler -- the same type who avoids exposure. Not good for a fogged out entitled wayward!


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Keep you posted on my steps:

Last night I accomplished step 1. I insisted my WH end all affairs - those in his past and one he may or may not be in presently. I explained without anger, judgments and with total calmness how devastating this has been - I did use very strong analogies and descriptions of this pain but I did it calmly - and thus I explained that for my emotional and physical wellbeing the affairs had to end or we had to separate or divorce. I then began the negotiations for total separation - explaining he had to agree to stop seeing, talking, texting, ... his former and/or existing lover and that I would accept zero compromises.

He affirmed that he understood how I felt; he has agreed to the total separation; and then I hugged him...and offered words of encouragement and told him how wonderful it will all be once we get through this - how our marriage can be all that we both want it to be...

Tonight when we talk I will lay out the specific ground rules as you have provided me regarding total separation, the letter he must write to his former lovers, and the means and methods that I will use to hold him lovingly accountable for his commitment to me.

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Did you see my post asking about the exposure?


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S, I would also buy either a GPS for his car or install spyware with a GPS on his cell phone. Some good spywares are eblaster by spectorsoft.com or flexispy. You will have to monitor his every move to assure he is being faithful.


"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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S, I would also at some point read with G the "roles of husbands and wives" posted by MortarMan


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SnG,

I would listen to the posters here. I was like you. I wanted to believe my husband too. There is literally a script these people follow. If you stick around and read these threads you will see how someone you have never met is telling their spouse exactly what your husband has said to you. It's amazing really that they don't know it themselves.

I was wary about Plan B too. I thought it might make him think I didn't care and I hesitated a lot and wasted a lot more time and got a lot more hurt and he just did whatever he wanted, "with permission" since I knew everything and was still there for him. It's called cake eating. And wayward will eat cake as long as you let them. And guess what else they do? When you set a boundary, they will get mad at YOU. Yep, you. And YOU will feel the need to apologize and fix it and he will keep right on saying things like, "see? this is what I mean" "or I wasn't happy"... they will do nothing to fix it as long as you are sitting there crying and begging for a chance. They might still do nothing when you go into Plan B, but at least they won't be able to hurt you anymore because you aren't listening to it anymore. It makes you crazy. Your gut says one thing but they say another. You don't know what to believe. The space helps you. Trust me. I fought not to do Plan B either. I failed many times. I am trying to tell you that it really will help YOU. Right now you're all worried about HIM because he is the problem but if you remove it, you start to realize YOU matter too..

And Melody... she knows her stuff. You might not want to hear it, but she is right.

Several times during Plan B, my WH caved but as soon as I responded with acceptance, he went right back to being "confused"... I am in Plan B again, just a few weeks and some breaks but this is it for me. I won't listen to the gaslighting anymore. SnG... I really came a long way by listening to the folks here...


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WH: Him, 41
ILYBNILWY: Sept 2011, he moved out
DDay1: Dec 2011, ongoing since at least April 2011 if not longer
WH moves back we try FR 1/12
DDay2: Feb 2012
DDay3: April 2012, WH moves back out to "find himself"
Many attempts at FR, he can't make a decision
5/2013: WH states he wants a Divorce. POSOW is insisting.
8/2013: He files for D. She got hers, where's his?
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STOP! How you doing? She is right about the forums here don't just post read others thread and you will see amazing similarities to your own situation.

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Hey Tranquil, Still healing... almost fell into the hole again lol... but noticed the similarities... back to silence now. He's going to "think" lol... The pattern I notice emerging is he pushes me away, but when I go, he pulls me back then when he sees I am not going anywhere he pushes me away again. This time we have an IM. And this time I said I will contact HIM when I am ready to file papers. The OW is telling him to divorce me now. They fight over it. But he's happy. LMAO. She even "pretended" to try to hit him with her car a month or so ago... when he was trying to gaslight me again, they must have made up because he's a jerk again and I am back in a very dark plan B now...


BW: Me, 42
WH: Him, 41
ILYBNILWY: Sept 2011, he moved out
DDay1: Dec 2011, ongoing since at least April 2011 if not longer
WH moves back we try FR 1/12
DDay2: Feb 2012
DDay3: April 2012, WH moves back out to "find himself"
Many attempts at FR, he can't make a decision
5/2013: WH states he wants a Divorce. POSOW is insisting.
8/2013: He files for D. She got hers, where's his?
Current: nothing is progressing, we do not speak
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Oh and the OW is a wackadoodle... and he knows it. She said I called her but when I showed phone bill there was no call to her and she "deleted" it. Oops. Then there was the doorbell ringing. The car involved is the same description of hers. Oh and then the note "signed" by my husband going on about how I am not the one and never was... hubby didn't want to see video tape of building because police needed to be involved and I had to be there too. guess even HE suspects she did it.


BW: Me, 42
WH: Him, 41
ILYBNILWY: Sept 2011, he moved out
DDay1: Dec 2011, ongoing since at least April 2011 if not longer
WH moves back we try FR 1/12
DDay2: Feb 2012
DDay3: April 2012, WH moves back out to "find himself"
Many attempts at FR, he can't make a decision
5/2013: WH states he wants a Divorce. POSOW is insisting.
8/2013: He files for D. She got hers, where's his?
Current: nothing is progressing, we do not speak
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Hello all,
Again, thank you for the posts. I have been reading other threads as well as almost every letter posted on the MB web site. Regarding my steps. I am going strictly by the what is written in the requirements for recovery. I am feeling far more empowered and much stronger especially now that I more fully understand the program and am using it step by step.

By "disclosure" I do not mean "exposure". In Requirements for Recovery" it say "All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including name of the lover, what she does, where she works...." My WH and I have almost finished this discussion.

Regarding "exposure", yes, family, friends, pastor, employer are have been told. only a few remain that need to/should be told.

According to the instructions the next step after the two above is him writing his letter to the OW - which should be Monday/Tuesday.

I am fully prepared to hold him and me accountable to Plan A. If he balks or if I find any evidence of new dishonesty going forward Plan B I am fully prepared to move into Plan B immediately.

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Originally Posted by SnG
Regarding "exposure", yes, family, friends, pastor, employer are have been told. only a few remain that need to/should be told.

Have your children been told?


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