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Hello, Everyone,

I am new to MB Discussion Forums.

I have been married 20 years to a wonderful man. We have three beautiful children together (the children are all under age 5).

We attended a marriage conference at our church this past weekend, which was wonderful...

After we had gotten the kids tucked into bed on Sunday night, my husband confessed to having an "emotional affair" with a co-worker about thirteen years ago. Of course, I was devastated, which feels silly because his "emotional affair" happened so long ago, yet I cannot change how I feel. I questioned my spouse and he said he was attracted to his co-worker but didn't fantasize about her (is that even possible?). He also said he didn't confide in her and didn't demean me to her. All of this made me FURIOUS. If none of these things happened, then why tell me about her and upset me in the first place? I think he is holding back the details, which is even more devastating to me. frown

I talked to a Christian counselor here in town and she advised me not to "punish" my spouse and make a list of questions for him to answer.

My spouse is sleeping on the couch to give me a little space. I have cried myself sick during the night. My children are unaware of anything -- their routine is going on as normal -- my husband and I have not discussed anything in front of them.

Thanks for reading my introduction/rant...

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AnneElizabeth,

which feels silly because his "emotional affair" happened so long ago, yet I cannot change how I feel. I questioned my spouse and he said he was attracted to his co-worker but didn't fantasize about her

Not silly at all your recovery starts at the date of disclosure, but be glad you found out and that your H was able to unburden himself of thinking about it on a weekly basis. Does your H still work with this woman or does she live close to you?

Get a polygraph for your H if there is nothing more fine, if there is more, likely, you will help him recover. If a polygraph is too expensive try speaking with the OW don't let on how much you know just ask OW for her side of the story.

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Welcome to MB.

Unfortunatley when a spouse confesses like this its usually a trickle truth reveal to ease guilt. As Gamma suggests set up a poly and have your questions answered that way. You will feel loads better for doing so and usually is there is more to it, its revealed in the last minutes before the poly occurs. Don't let that stop you. Do it anyways. Your hubby will likely agree to it if he has nothing to hide or say he will agree to it so you won't do it. Just do it. If he refuses... You have your answer.

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Welcome to Marriage Builders. I am sorry for the reason that you find yourself here, but it is the best place to recover a marriage after infidelity. If you haven't done so already, read the material on this site. Also, get and read Dr. Harley's book, "Surviving an Affair". One of the example couples in the book survived an emotional affair, not unlike what you have described.

As the two previous posts have indicated, often a wayward spouse will engage in "trickle truth", dribbling out the details over time. You will find that you cannot recover the marriage until there is openness and honesty - about everything, past, present and future.

Does your husband still work with this woman?

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Originally Posted by AnneElizabeth
I talked to a Christian counselor here in town and she advised me not to "punish" my spouse and make a list of questions for him to answer.

Hi AnneElizabeth, welcome to Marriage Builders. I am sorry for the reasons that brought you here. The counselor is giving you bad advice that will make it impossible for you to recover your marriage. It is not "punishment" to ask your husband to give you the facts about your life. It is essential in order to recover your marriage. In order to move forward, you must know everything or you will dig and pick until you DO.

I have a feeling you may not be getting the full truth, though. Very often, a spouse who has cheated tries to alleviate his guilt by throwing out little crumbs. We call it "trickle truth" and it is very damaging to the recovery process. The best way to get over this obstacle is to make an appointment with a polygraph tester. Tell your husband 2 days before the test that you don't believe his entire story but don't think that is fair to him. In order to put this all to rest and exonerate him, you are giving him an opportunity to put this all to rest. Hand him a list of questions and ask him to come clean before the test. But make it clear you fully expect him to pass the test.

What typically happens is the spouse will initially feign moral outrage that you "don't trust me!!!!" Once they see that won't work and that you are serious about getting the truth, they very often come clean and then pass the test.

I will just tell you that your husbands story does not make any sense. Why would he feel guilty about an attraction that he never acted upon years ago? That is just not realistic. On the other hand, he would naturally feel guilty about an affair. What he described is not even an emotional affair, though.

You will win either way if you follow this procedure. It will either clear his good name or you will find out some hidden truth. Either way you win.

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Of course, I was devastated, which feels silly because his "emotional affair" happened so long ago, yet I cannot change how I feel.

Finding out years later is much, much worse than finding out about a recent affair because it only means he has lied to you for 13 years. The crime is compounded in your case.


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Originally Posted by Dr Bill Harley, clinical psychologist and founder of Marriage Builders
The plan I recommend for recovery after an affair is very specific. That's because I've found that even small deviations from that plan are usually disastrous. But when it's followed, it always works. The plan has two parts that must be implemented sequentially. The first part of the plan is for the unfaithful spouse to completely separate from the lover and eliminate the conditions that made the affair possible. The second part is for the couple to create a romantic relationship, using my Basic Concepts as a guide.

I'll describe these two parts to you in a little more detail.

The first step, complete separation from the lover and eliminating the conditions that made the affair possible, requires a complete understanding of the affair. All information regarding the affair must be revealed to the betrayed spouse, including the name of the lover, the conditions that made the affair possible (travel, internet, etc.), the details of what took place during the affair, all correspondence, and anything else that would shed light on the tragedy.
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How the victimized spouse should respond to the revelation of an affair is a subject of a later column. I do not have the space to treat it here. But a spouse is twice victimized when he or she is lied to about an affair. Truth is far easier to handle than lies.
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This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.

But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God." ( John 3:19-21)

Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them. Ephesians 5:11



"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt

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Originally Posted by AnneElizabeth
Hello, Everyone,

I am new to MB Discussion Forums.

Welcome. I hope you return and do not join the "one post wonders" crowd.

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We attended a marriage conference at our church this past weekend, which was wonderful...

After we had gotten the kids tucked into bed on Sunday night, my husband confessed to having an "emotional affair" with a co-worker about thirteen years ago. Of course, I was devastated, which feels silly because his "emotional affair" happened so long ago, yet I cannot change how I feel. I questioned my spouse and he said he was attracted to his co-worker but didn't fantasize about her (is that even possible?). He also said he didn't confide in her and didn't demean me to her. All of this made me FURIOUS. If none of these things happened, then why tell me about her and upset me in the first place? I think he is holding back the details, which is even more devastating to me.

Yours is a very interesting dilemma. Time passing after the offense (without other steps taken to heal) does not diminish the pain. Isn't that interesting? If a person has never experienced this sort of betrayal, they will not understand your emotional response. We get it.

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I talked to a Christian counselor here in town and she advised me not to "punish" my spouse and make a list of questions for him to answer.

Define "punish". Handcuffs and whips?
Also, define "Christian counselor". Licensed/experienced marriage counselor or simply a Bible study leader?

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My spouse is sleeping on the couch to give me a little space.

This separate sleeping should be over by now. Is it?


Have you read Joseph's letter?
I'll go fetch it for you and post it here.

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Originally Posted by Pepperband
Joseph's Letter.


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"To Whomever,

"I know you are feeling the pain of guilt and confusion. I understand that you wish all this never happened and that you wish it would just go away. I can even believe that you truly love me and that your indiscretion hurts you emotionally much the same way it hurts me. I understand your apprehension to me discovering little by little, everything that led up to your indiscretion, everything that happened that night, and everything that happened afterwards. I understand. No one wants to have a mistake or misjudgment thrown in his or her face repeatedly. No one wants to be forced to "look" at the thing that caused all their pain over and over again. I can actually see, that through your eyes, you are viewing this whole thing as something that just needs to go away, something that is over, that he/she doesn't mean anything to you, so why is it such a big issue? I can understand you wondering why I torture myself with this continuously, and thinking, doesn't he/she know by now that I love him/her? I can see how you can feel this way and how frustrating it must be. But for the remainder of this letter I'm going to ask you to view my reality through my eyes.

"You were there. There is no detail left out from your point of view. Like a puzzle, you have all the pieces and you are able to reconstruct them and be able to understand the whole picture, the whole message, or the whole meaning. You know exactly what that picture is and what it means to you and if it can effect your life and whether or not it continues to stir your feelings. You have the pieces, the tools, and the knowledge. You can move through your life with 100% of the picture you compiled. If you have any doubts, then at least you're carrying all the information in your mind and you can use it to derive conclusions or answers to your doubts or question. You carry all the "STUFF" to figure out OUR reality. There isn't really any information, or pieces to the puzzle that you don't have.

"Now let's enter my reality. Let's both agree that this affects our lives equally. The outcome no matter what it is will affect us both. Our future and our present circumstances are every bit as important to me as it is to you. So, why then is it okay for me to be left in the dark? Do I not deserve to know as much about the night that nearly destroyed our relationship as you do? Just like you, I am also able to discern the meaning of certain particulars and innuendoes of that night and just like you, I deserve to be given the opportunity to understand what nearly brought our relationship down. To assume that I can move forward and accept everything at face value is unrealistic and unless we stop thinking unrealistically I doubt our lives well ever "feel" complete. You have given me a puzzle. It is a 1000 piece puzzle and 400 random pieces are missing. You expect me to assemble the puzzle without the benefit of looking at the picture on the box. You expect me to be able to discern what I am looking at and to appreciate it in the same context as you. You want me to be as comfortable with what I see in the picture as you are. When I ask if there was a tree in such and such area of the picture you tell me don't worry about it, it's not important. When I ask whether there were any animals in my puzzle you say don't worry about it, it's not important. When I ask if there was a lake in that big empty spot in my puzzle you say, what's the difference, it's not important. Then later when I'm expected to "understand" the picture in my puzzle you fail to understand my disorientation and confusion. You expect me to feel the same way about the picture as you do but deny me the same view as you. When I express this problem you feel compelled to admonish me for not understanding it, for not seeing it the way you see it. You wonder why I can't just accept whatever you chose to describe to me about the picture and then be able to feel the same way you feel about it.

"So, you want me to be okay with everything. You think you deserve to know and I deserve to wonder. You may honestly feel that the whole picture, everything that happened is insignificant because in your heart you know it was a mistake and wish it never happened. But how can I know that? Faith? Because you told me so? Would you have faith if the tables were turned? Don't you understand that I want to believe you completely? But how can I? I can never know what is truly in your mind and heart. I can only observe you actions, and what information I have acquired and slowly, over time rebuild my faith in your feelings. I truly wish it were easier.

"So, there it is, as best as I can put it. That is why I ask questions. That is where my need to know is derived from. And that is why it is unfair for you to think that we can effectively move forward and unfair for you to accuse me of dwelling on the past. My need to know stems from my desire to hold our world together. It doesn't come from jealousy, it doesn't come from spitefulness, and it doesn't come from a desire to make you suffer. It comes from the fact that I love you. Why else would I put myself through this? Wouldn't it be easier for me to walk away? Wouldn't it be easier to consider our relationship a bad mistake in my life and to move on to better horizons? Of course it would, but I can't and the reason I can't is because I love you and that reason in itself makes all the difference in the world."

(end of Joseph's Letter)

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Originally Posted by AnneElizabeth
I have cried myself sick during the night.

Because you have no way of knowing if you have been told the entire truth.
Because you suspect you have been lied to for more than a decade.
Because you wonder "what else is he hiding?".

From the position of "sleeping on the couch", your husband will not be likely to confess the entire truth. He may be thinking ....
"If I tell her everything, the life we have built together will be over."

Tell your husband about Dr Harley and this forum.
If your husband starts posting on his own topic thread, we can help him.

What questions do you have for today?

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AnneElizabeth,

I know how you feel. I am going through the same thing right now. This is the most painful experience of my life. I felt my husband was a little too "buddy buddy" with a coworker over a year and a half ago and we are still struggling. He swore to me for months he had no feelings for her and it was strictly professional. He said, "maybe I do flirt a little but nothing physical has ever happened." Slowly and painfully I have uncovered that he finds her attractive, flirts with her, has been to lunch several times alone with her, travelleds often with her on business out of state for several days, and the worst has fantasized about having sex with her(which I just found out this past Friday.) after I have been trying to recover for a year and a half. He offered to change jobs and follow Dr. Harley's program however I feel as if I am done. This is all just too painful because in my heart I know that there is more. Radical honesty is terribly painful and for me I just cant recover. He has worked with her for 13 yrs and has worked very hard at keeping work and family separate...now I know why. I never knew you can actually feel your heart breaking. I agree totally with the polygraph that the other posters are suggesting. It will give you the answers that you so desparately need. The missing pieces. Than you can decide if you are willing to work on rebuilding. I pray there is hope for you. I am not so fortunate. I with years of lying, deceit and betrayal I feel too much damage has been done and I simply can't recover.

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