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Originally Posted by MelodyLane
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Originally Posted by Pepperband
Accepting responsibility is an opportunity .... one that is lost when a person blames some outside force.


I love this thread and just wanted to explore the ideas. I apologize.

My intention was just to ask the question whether Internal Locus of Control is a universally superior value. I am not sure, and thought others might be able to weigh in: especially here on MB, where Internal Locus and personal responsibility are so vital to success.





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Had to bump this.





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This is interesting;
I have been reading Atlas Shrugged and the book reinforces the internal/ external locust of control explanation.
Ayn Rand said that those people without purpose, who refuse to use their mind, are emotional parasites

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and I'm studying Plato's the Laches which says, like Ayn Rand, says 'if something you are looking at does not make sense, you are looking at it wrongly'.


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But some things really do not make sense.

There are many things. Wayward fogbabble is just one. Justifications for other kinds of abuse do not make sense to anyone but the abuser.



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I had 20 years of gaslighting. Much of my life did not make sense but now I understand it, I was just seeing it wrong. It is the nature of the human to try to adapt and make the best of what is going on.

Sadly, I live with the consequences of what I did not see. My 27 year old son is full of cognitive dissonance now and my 26 year old daughter is terrified of a committed relationship.


Hindsight eh?


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Wow, Dr. Harley's is a really smart guy - clearly he took notes from Pepperband:

Originally Posted by Dr. Harley
One of the things that We know as psychologists, and people who work in social work to some extent is that as soon as you consider yourself to be a victim, as soon as you feel that the problems that you have are somebody else's fault - you're doomed! You're doomed, you really cannot possibly recover. The only way you can recover as an individual is to take full responsibility for what's happening to you because of your behavior, and if you feel that there's nothing you can do, that others have so injured you through experiences that you have had in the past that you cannot possibly succeed, then you won't succeed - you will fail.

If you want to succeed, you have to think about what you can to do solve your problems.

Marriage Builders Radio, March 31, 2014


Originally Posted by Pepperband
Until the wayward spouse or the betrayed spouse accepts that they alone control themselves, they are immune to all our MB 'teachings'.

"The Devil made me do it." <~~~ External locus of control.
"It just happened." <~~~ External locus of control.
"I couldn't stop myself." <~~~ External locus of control.
"He/She made me break Plan B." <~~~ External locus of control.
"You made me run back to the OW/OM." <~~~ External locus of control.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia
Those with a high external locus of control believe that powerful others, fate, or chance primarily determine events.

External locus of control = "I not responsible for what I did or what I will do."
External locus of control = "No MB Plan will really work, because outside forces cause me do what I do."
External locus of control = A serious lack of personal boundaries.

Waywards or betrayed spouses with external locus of control will be far more likely to feel they are a victim. Powerless. Useless. Caught up in circumstances which they have no power to change.

A cop out?
Maybe.
A personality style?
Certainly.

A person who feels they are without power over themselves will claim no responsibility for their actions. After all, it was not their fault. Some other force caused them to act the way they act.

If you see a MB'er who is sticking to their PLAN, the odds are great that that person has an Internal Locus of Control.

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Those with a high internal locus of control have better control of their behavior, tend to exhibit more political behaviors, and are more likely to attempt to influence other people than those with a high external (or low internal respectively) locus of control. Those with a high internal locus of control are more likely to assume that their efforts will be successful. They are more active in seeking information and knowledge concerning their situation.

When dealing with an MB'er with a high level of self control, you are less likely to hear the "Yes, but ...." (Which drives me NUTZ crazy )

When a MB'er asks questions about the plans .... I see a betrayed spouse (or a former wayward) with personal self control and that person will usually have success in life no matter what happens with their marriage.

I observe that couples who both think that outside forces control them have a very low chance of MB success. We can cram MB theory/Plans/articles down their throat until the cows come home .... "Yes, but ..." will usually prevail.

When is it "the fog" and when is it an ingrained style of coping with life?
It's sometimes difficult to determine. Especially after trauma. Or, during a period of severe emotional pain. And, it is very difficult to say if this will turn around when there is depression or anxiety at play.
However, I think that over time, people will either take their known attributes and make the most of what they have, or they will throw themselves on the floor, have a pity party tantrum and announce to the world their victimization status. Thus releaving themselves of any personal responsibility.

Just my thought today.


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