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Well to chime in on the forgiveness topic. Can you give another example of someone being forgiven without being repentant? Christ dying on the cross was the ultimate sacrifice, so we wouldn't have to pay for our sin. Pine is spot on 100%, We are already forgiven, but we have to receive that forgiveness, by asking. "To as many as RECEIVE him, to them he gave power to become the sons of God"
ALL God's promises for forgiveness to us are accompanied by the conditionality of repentance, of turning away from our sin.
True forgiveness = reconciliation.
Matthew 18 gives the procedure for dealing with someone who who has sinned against us.
1. Talk to them about it
2. If they persist bring a couple friends and talk to them about it
3. If they persist, bring it to the church.
4. If they persist treat them as a heathen and a tax collector.
Jesus himself advised us to get away from people who continue to abuse us. In MB terms, the procedure is confront, expose, expose further, plan B. What do you think?
Me BW: 30
WH: 33
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If everyone is "forgiven" against their will, then why does the Bible speak of HELL? There would be no need of hell if God forces his forgiveness on everyone whether they want or need it.
And why would the Bible counsel kicking someone out of church if they don't repent? That makes no sense if everyone has cheap forgiveness forced on them.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena.." Theodore Roosevelt Exposure 101
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Hopes,
Jesus forgave many in his time here. But he often said to them, "Go and sin no more."
Many of the sinners Jesus healed came to him seeking His medicine.
Forgiveness requires reconciliation as Betrayed points out. And reconciliation requires of your husband:
1) An examination of conscience (taking inventory of his sins)
2) Coming clean with you and admitting all of them.
3) Showing true remorse for them.
4) Praying and asking for forgiveness.
5) Taking actions that prevent those sins from happening again. In your husband's case this would be him not committing adultery again, and following your EP's.
Reconciliation is a model that has been used by the Church since the time of Jesus. It works when applied correctly. But your husband has to be willing to do it.
Yes, you can forgive. But reconciliation won't happen unless he owns his mistakes and takes the right actions to atone for them.
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