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Pius #2751344 08/26/13 08:19 AM
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Pius, here is your dilemma: you can't even START recovery until you move. Your wife will be remain in a state of perpetual withdrawal as long as you live there with the OM. So moving has to be the FIRST STEP. That is STEP ONE. You can't do STEP TWO until you have done STEP ONE.

Getting out of there has to be your first step. Your wife will NEVER want to work on the marriage with you as long as the OM is right there hanging around.

Do your kids all know who this rat is? Have your kids expressed their disappointment about her affair to her?


They do know who he is, and I have told them all to say something to me if they ever see him around. I told them he is an enemy of our family.

I do realize we have to move, but there is just so much involved with that. My wife keeps saying she can't have the house ready to show unless it is completely empty. It is just so overwhelming.
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They do know who he is, and I have told them all to say something to me if they ever see him around. I told them he is an enemy of our family.
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So they know specifically he was having an A with their mother? They know the full story? Will they express their disappointment to her?



You drive recovery. Not your wife. You make the move happen. Not your wife.



The longer you stay in that neighbourhood, the more you and your marriage will weaken, so GET OUT.



What exactly do the kids know? Your answers are like a WW doing the trickle truth tango.


Four of the five kids pretty much know the full extent of everything now. Only the 1 year old doesn't know - obviously she is too young. Last weekend I told the 7 and 9 year old. I told them that mom had "an inappropriate relationship with another man" - and I told them who he was. I told them to let me know if they ever see him again - "he is an enemy of this family".

My wife seemed somewhat enthused looking at listings for new houses, and planning our move. She agreed to contact a real estate agent this week. I told her we can only do this move if she's fully committed to the marriage - it would be absurd to do this and get divorced in 3 months.

So far I am somewhat hopeful. Of course she still seems mostly in withdrawal and has not indicated any desire to move back into the master bedroom with me. We haven't had any physical contact of any kind for almost four months.


You still are being evasive or if that was the way you described your WW affair you did not tell your kids anything.

You need to tell your kids that: mom's and dad's do not have boyfriends/girlfriends and go out on dates with them. Doing that is known as having an affair. Your mom did that. She had an affair with OM(use actual name).

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I'm thinking that since we probably won't be moving too far away, I will give my wife her phone back and take the appropriate measures, such as installing spyware and telling her that when I call I expect her to answer within five minutes and provide proof of her location (such as by taking a photograph of where she is). Does this sound reasonable? Perhaps I could also use the GPS on the phone to be able to know her whereabouts at all times.


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Originally Posted by Pius
I'm thinking that since we probably won't be moving too far away, I will give my wife her phone back and take the appropriate measures, such as installing spyware and telling her that when I call I expect her to answer within five minutes and provide proof of her location (such as by taking a photograph of where she is). Does this sound reasonable? Perhaps I could also use the GPS on the phone to be able to know her whereabouts at all times.
The major benefit of moving is to be free from all the triggers. It doesn't sound like you will be accomplishing this. The real problem is inside of you. All of this verification is going to withdraw love units from her account in your lovebank, even if nothing ever happens. You need to move far enough away that you yourself are comfortable that continuation of the affair is impossible. Don't lose this opportunity by only doing it halfway.


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Originally Posted by Pius
I'm thinking that since we probably won't be moving too far away,

Pius,

As MelodyLane observed, the further away you move, the better. What good is moving if you do not move far enough away?

I am happy to see some developments here for your situation, and I hope you will go after everything you need to do in earnest. I have been praying for you and your children and your wife.


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I'm thinking that since we probably won't be moving too far away,

Pius,

As MelodyLane observed, the further away you move, the better. What good is moving if you do not move far enough away?

I am happy to see some developments here for your situation, and I hope you will go after everything you need to do in earnest. I have been praying for you and your children and your wife.


Yes, basically the point of moving at all would be to avoid "spontaneous temptation" from running into POSOM at the mailbox, or, God forbid, POSOM coming over our house when I'm at work. Also we are crowded in our current home.

If my wife is determined to seek out POSOM, she could do it if we lived virtually anywhere remotely near my job. My job is a very good one, so I would be putting my large family in serious financial jeopardy if I was to try to change jobs and move very far away. Also it would take much longer that way, which would mean we wouldn't be able to move at all for a longer time. So a reasonable compromise seems to be a fairly local move. Heck, even if we moved across country, if my WW is determined to stray again she could simply find someone else.


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Pius, a move is not just to prevent re-contact or accidental contact with OM. Moving to a whole new location will ALSO energize both of you with a new set of habits. It will enable you to build a new life and a new marriage together. It will help to eliminate memories for both of you.


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By the way - are you listening to Dr. Harley's radio show daily, yet?


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Originally Posted by markos
By the way - are you listening to Dr. Harley's radio show daily, yet?


Not yet but I have started reading SAA!


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Reposting, because this was great advice. Please follow it closely.

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Originally Posted by Pius
I'm thinking that since we probably won't be moving too far away, I will give my wife her phone back and take the appropriate measures, such as installing spyware and telling her that when I call I expect her to answer within five minutes and provide proof of her location (such as by taking a photograph of where she is). Does this sound reasonable? Perhaps I could also use the GPS on the phone to be able to know her whereabouts at all times.
The major benefit of moving is to be free from all the triggers. It doesn't sound like you will be accomplishing this. The real problem is inside of you. All of this verification is going to withdraw love units from her account in your lovebank, even if nothing ever happens. You need to move far enough away that you yourself are comfortable that continuation of the affair is impossible. Don't lose this opportunity by only doing it halfway.


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Originally Posted by Pius
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By the way - are you listening to Dr. Harley's radio show daily, yet?


Not yet but I have started reading SAA!

Great, that's a step!

Now, click the "listen now" button. smile


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You realize all the days between the day I first suggested that you listen to Marriage Builders Radio and today are days that you have missed out on educational opportunities that you absolutely needed in order to save your marriage? This is not going to be easy, Pius. Start sitting in class so you can learn the tools and techniques.


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Originally Posted by Pius
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Yes, basically the point of moving at all would be to avoid "spontaneous temptation" from running into POSOM at the mailbox, or, God forbid, POSOM coming over our house when I'm at work. Also we are crowded in our current home.

If my wife is determined to seek out POSOM, she could do it if we lived virtually anywhere remotely near my job. My job is a very good one, so I would be putting my large family in serious financial jeopardy if I was to try to change jobs and move very far away. Also it would take much longer that way, which would mean we wouldn't be able to move at all for a longer time. So a reasonable compromise seems to be a fairly local move. Heck, even if we moved across country, if my WW is determined to stray again she could simply find someone else.

This is true, but she is not addicted to "someone else," she is addicted to the OM. The OM is not across the country. And she will be much less likely to contact him again if she is far enough away to not be triggered. You want to remove the opportunity as much as you can.

You say you have a great job, can you get transferred to another state?


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Yes, basically the point of moving at all would be to avoid "spontaneous temptation" from running into POSOM at the mailbox, or, God forbid, POSOM coming over our house when I'm at work. Also we are crowded in our current home.

If my wife is determined to seek out POSOM, she could do it if we lived virtually anywhere remotely near my job. My job is a very good one, so I would be putting my large family in serious financial jeopardy if I was to try to change jobs and move very far away. Also it would take much longer that way, which would mean we wouldn't be able to move at all for a longer time. So a reasonable compromise seems to be a fairly local move. Heck, even if we moved across country, if my WW is determined to stray again she could simply find someone else.

This is true, but she is not addicted to "someone else," she is addicted to the OM. The OM is not across the country. And she will be much less likely to contact him again if she is far enough away to not be triggered. You want to remove the opportunity as much as you can.

You say you have a great job, can you get transferred to another state?
You know, a curious thing is that today is the day marked on our calendar as the drop dead move date. Back when we were trying to plan the move, I promised my wife that we would move by this date no matter what, even if we couldn't find jobs. Your conversation about how good your present job is reminds me of the time when we set that date. I didn't really see the path to the move back then, either. But we set the goal, and we made it happen. And let me tell you, I am so glad the move was 10 months ago and not right now!

Don't set your goal too low. No job is worth your marriage.


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OK, something just happened. I've been monitoring WW's email, and the POSOM just emailed her. Asked to take his name off of a joint credit card and bank account that they had together (which up until now I didn't know about - I thought that card was just WW's). He said "it would be better if there was no contact." How should I handle this? I assume I should keep quiet and see how WW responds to this?


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Pius, your wife needs to take steps to block contact from him. She should close email accounts that he knows about. As well as credit cards they shared together (yuck!), phone numbers he knows about, etc.


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Originally Posted by Pius
He said "it would be better if there was no contact."

Did she write a no contact letter to send to him?

See How should affairs end?:

Originally Posted by Dr. Harley
How should an unfaithful spouse tell his lover that their relationship is over? If left to their own devices, many would take a Caribbean cruise to say their final good-byes. Obviously, that will not do. In fact, I recommend that the final good-bye be in the form of a letter, and not in person or even by telephone.

My advice is to write a final letter in a way that the victimized spouse would agree to send it. It should begin with a statement of how selfish it was to cause those they loved so much pain, and while marital reconciliation cannot completely repay the offense, it's the right thing to do. A statement should be made about how much the unfaithful spouse cares about his spouse and family, and for their protection, has decided to completely end the relationship with the lover. He or she has promised never to see or communicate with the lover again in life, and asks the lover to respect that promise. Nothing should be said about how much the lover will be missed. After the letter is written, the victimized spouse should read and approve it before it is sent.

If this has already been done, then it's superfluous for him to say anything about it being best that there be no contact - of course there will be no contact, because she is demanding it and is taking steps to enforce it (such as closing email accounts he has access to and any other tie such as credit cards).


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Yes from what I understood, she sent him a "no contact" text message. I haven't seen anything in her email until today indicating that they had contacted each other after that.


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Originally Posted by Pius
Yes from what I understood, she sent him a "no contact" text message. I haven't seen anything in her email until today indicating that they had contacted each other after that.

A text message? And you didn't get to see it? No telling what she really said, then. As far as you know, it could have been "We have to lay low for awhile; my husband found out about us."

That is why our usual advice around here is for the wayward spouse to write the letter and give it to the betrayed spouse to mail. The betrayed spouse gets to see it and make sure it gets there.


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A joint credit card and bank account with the OM is something she should have already disclosed. Given that she hasn't, then I would expect her not to disclose the contact, either. She needs to get onboard with RH. You already know that she is likely to fail the test of telling you about the contact, because she would have to also disclose the existence of the credit card and the account. I'd give her a little time to come clean, maybe a day at most, and then I would prompt her into telling you with something like "What's the story behind this credit card?"


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Annnnnddd.......

What were the defined consequences for her (ongoing) dishonesty and (recent)undisclosed contact?

"None, actually!" is a crappy, conflict avoiding, answer.

One more time....

Just Compensation = No Contact + Extraordinary Precautions + MB Participation

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