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#2760820 10/18/13 01:19 PM
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I didn't know anything was wrong. Didn't see any signs at all. All I knew is he had become more ornery and argumentative lately. Then it comes out, through a third party that this girl at his work was claiming my husband was inappropriate with her. He denied it. But slowly over the next three-four weeks the truth trickled out. For months they had exchanged sexual emails and text messages. At the office, they confided emotionally in each other. She says it was physical at the office, he says it didn't ever get that far. I have no idea if it did or if it didn't. But it doesn't matter to me. I'm over it. It took a long time, but through Jesus, I can truly say I've forgiven and moved on. I feel that we have a great trust now. We are very transparent with each other and we have a wonderful relationship now. But he has gone back to school after years, and has been taking classes before and after work to finish his degree. He works hard and sometimes stays after work to finish up and goes straight to class.
One day, I opened his notebook and found notes for his class written in young female handwriting. I panicked. I knew that he had been open and trustworthy lately, so I shouldn't jump to conclusions, but I was terrified he had been doing private study sessions, or meeting one on one with a college age girl between work and class. I asked him about it and he got annoyed and defensive and said it was a group project in class. I know he's probably telling the truth. But I can't know for sure. and after all this time of being at peace and trusting my husband I don't want to go back to the crazy, psycho me I was during his infidelity. I know he's done all he can and is annoyed that this keep coming back to haunt him, and that's the reason he's defensive... but what if it's not? What if something is going on and I'm too naive to see it AGAIN? I snoop regularly on his phone, email, internet history, and nothing has turned up. So I have no reason to distrust him. But how do you ever truly get over infidelity? How do you let it go once and for all? or am I destined to go through the panic and pain each time he interacts with a woman?


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Naive,

Someone with experience will stop by your thread shortly.

You may have a new problem but the first one was never actually solved. Here we have something called Just Compensation (JC) that looks like it was completely skipped after the first incident.

So your panic and lack of trust may be well warranted now, or it may be just a trigger from the last affair. And yes, it was an affair.

Standby, help is on the way.

Read this in the meantime

Originally Posted by Dr. Harley
Forgiveness is something I believe in with all my heart. I forgive others and have been forgiven many times. God wants us all to be forgiving just as he has forgiven us.

And, as you have noticed, when you don't forgive someone, it can "eat you up." It's not healthy to keep resentment bottled up inside of you.

The vast majority of couples I counsel who have been through the horror of an affair, have better marriages after the affair than before. It's because the affair jolts them into recognizing the need for building an affair-proof marriage, and the safety precautions they use help them create compatibility and love. But has the offended spouse forgiven the offender in these marriages? Yes and no.

First let's try to understand what forgiveness is. One illustration is telling a person who owes you $10,000 that he won't have to pay you back. You "forgive" the debt. In other words, forgiveness is eliminating a obligation of some sort.

But we generally don't think of money when we think of the need of forgiveness. Instead, we are concerned about inconsiderate behavior that has caused us great pain and suffering -- the pain that an affair causes, for example. Forgiveness in these situations means thinking about the person as if the offense never took place. That is extremely difficult to do. The offended spouse usually thinks, what can he or she do to make it up to me. How can I be compensated for the pain I've suffered.

To make matters worse, whenever a wayward spouse sees me for counseling there is rarely regret and rarely a willingness to compensate the offended spouse. They usually ask to be forgiven, but that doesn't mean he or she is deeply remorseful. It usually means that he or she doesn't want us to bring up the subject anymore, or require a change in behavior. In other words, the wayward spouse wants the pain suffered by the offended spouse to be ignored or forgotten. Like a $10,000 debt, they want it forgiven, and then they want to borrow another $10,000.

I'm in favor of forgiveness in many situations, but this isn't one of them. In the case of infidelity, compensation not only helps the offended spouse overcome the resentment he or she harbors, but the right kind of compensation helps restore the relationship and prevents the painful act from being repeated.

In most cases, an offended spouse would be unwise to forgive the wayward spouse without just compensation. It's like forgiving a friend of the $10,000 he owes you, when it's actually in the friend's best interest to pay you in full because it would teach him how to be more responsible with money.

As it turns out, in every affair there is a way to adequately compensate the offended spouse that is good for the offender and good for the marriage. At first, the offended spouse may not want to be compensated. He or she may try to get as far away from the offender as possible to avoid further pain. But if the spouse asks for forgiveness along with a willingness to compensate, the offended spouse is usually willing to entertain the proposal.

So let's talk about just compensation. What could the offending spouse possibly do to compensate for an affair? After all, it's probably the most painful experiences anyone could ever put his or her spouse through.

The first act of compensation to you from your husband should be to end his relationship with the other woman once and for all. He should never see or talk to her again, even if it means leaving his job or moving your family to another state. The reason should be obvious, but in case there's some confusion, he should be reminded that every contact he will ever have with this woman will be like a knife in your heart. He has already caused you to suffer unbearable pain, and any further contact with his ex-lover would keep you suffering. In your case, the affair is probably over, but has your husband taken precautions to never see or talk to his ex-lover again?

And then he should put extraordinary precautions in place to guarantee that another affair will not take it's place. Has he considered the circumstances that led to his affair? Intoxication, business trips that separate you overnight, close friendships with those of the opposite sex, recreational relationships that do not include you, and so forth, should be subject to scrutiny. What was it that made him vulnerable? Whatever it was, he should take extraordinary precautions to avoid it in the future. It's part of just compensation for the suffering he's caused you to bear.


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True, more compensation should have taken place after the affair, but he did cut ties and hasn't contacted or seen her since. We never nailed down what the trigger was. We are never apart, except at work and school. We don't drink. We spend so much time together, with kids and without. We never go one trips without each other, and before this OW showed up, we have never had any friends of the opposite gender (unless we both are with them and their spouse together), not even on facebook. So I think the trigger may be been just that he craves adventure, excitement, and praise. We've have never been an extremely passionate couple, but are extremely comfortable and best friends and we love each other deeply. I am the grounded one. I like routines, I like practicality, I like honesty. I get worried the trigger was that I am too boring. Not my fault at all, he fell in love with me that way, but I worry that's why he started ... because she was crazy and fun and exciting and gave him so much praise at work. So I think that fuels my insecurity about other women who are more exciting than I am(aka my made up crazy college girl when I found the handwriting). It's almost been a full year since this whole thing happened, so when do I get to stop being paranoid? Is it normal to experience a brief relapse of the pain and paranoia occasionally?


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Welcome to MB.

Does he still work with the OW?
Who did you expose to?
Did you tested for STD/I?

Have you seen this?
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No need to test, they never had sex. She says they fooled around (to get him fired, but it backfired... She got fired), he says they never did, but they both agree they never had sex. He no longer works with OW. We exposed to our religious leader, which resulted in him loosing a high, prestigious position in our church. OW is single, no family, so no one to expose to on her end. Our kids aren't old enough to expose to. But all of this is past. I didn't post to relive the experience. I posted to get advice on what normal healing looks like.


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I enccourage you to read the book Surviving an Affair by Dr Willard Harley

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Originally Posted by Naive1357
No need to test, they never had sex. She says they fooled around (to get him fired, but it backfired... She got fired), he says they never did, but they both agree they never had sex. He no longer works with OW. We exposed to our religious leader, which resulted in him loosing a high, prestigious position in our church. OW is single, no family, so no one to expose to on her end. Our kids aren't old enough to expose to. But all of this is past. I didn't post to relive the experience. I posted to get advice on what normal healing looks like.
Have you read all of this?
How to Survive Infidelity


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No need to test, they never had sex.

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She says it was physical at the office, he says it didn't ever get that far.
Naive, unless your WH has passed a polygraph to confirm that there was never an exchange of bodily fluids (and this includes deep kissing)you are in danger. You DO understand that HPV can be passed via deep kissing and oral sex, correct?

I would make STD testing a condition of your recovery. Your health is too important to risk by listening to the tales of a couple of waywards.


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I have no idea if it did or if it didn't. But it doesn't matter to me. I'm over it. It took a long time, but through Jesus, I can truly say I've forgiven and moved on.
No, you're not over it. If you were you wouldn't be here. And Jesus never directed anyone to sweep sin under the rug.
So, here you are. With a wayward husband and nothing in place to make sure you and your marriage are safe.

Remind me, please: did you read the Exposure thread at the top of this forum?


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Originally Posted by Naive1357
I didn't post to relive the experience. I posted to get advice on what normal healing looks like.

If your R was truly in any type of normal, (whatever that is with a WS), healing, you would already know it without a shadow of doubt. Your WS would proactively be searching out what EP's should be expected and jumping through hoops to show with All actions, not just talk.

If i wanted to put my W's mind at ease and did not have anything to hide, i would set up a polygraph and follow through with it.

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