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I'd say its conscious at this point
He's defending it so rigourously. If it doesn't turn him on, great!!
That means 'No problem, honey - consider porn a thing of the past', right?
Except it DOES and its NOT. And he's lying about effects which are conscious to KEEP it because it DOES turn him on.
Why does he want to keep it if it does nothing for him? And hurts you?
Does porn give out lucrative financial tips in between bumping uglies or something nowadays?
What's so great about porn (if it doesn't turn him on) that it is more important than YOU?
So great he 'just can't promise you'?
What would you do if you were not afraid?
"Fear is the little death. Fear is the mind-killer" Frank Herbert.
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Anything that you enjoy doing so much that you do it without regard for the feelings of your spouse will damage, and possibly ruin, your marriage. But that kind of behavior is not necessarily an addiction. It can simply be a selfish and foolish choice.
One of the best ways to determine if your spouse is a sex addict or merely being selfish and foolish is to ask why he or she persists in a sexual behavior that is known to offend you. An addict will express the compulsive aspects of the problem and have a deep feeling of guilt for doing it. He or she may even describe something like an "out of body" experience, knowing it's wrong but can't stop.
But you may hear the answer I hear from most husbands who view pornography, a sexual behavior that's offensive to most wives: "There's no harm in it as long as my wife doesn't find out." They don't do it because they feel compelled -- they do it because it's entertaining. What these husbands do is consistent with their general philosophy of marriage, which is that it's sometimes healthy to engage in independent behavior, and that the Policy of Joint Agreement is ridiculous.
Men who view pornography, frequent strip clubs, and even have sexually explicit chats with women on the internet don't usually fit the description of an addict. They readily admit (at least to me) that they violate the Policy of Joint Agreement because they believe that their wives do not have the right to dictate what they can and can't do. In other words, they're being selfish and foolish Lots of internet porn and x rated channels have high rate phone numbers where a man can call up a sex worker he's seen on film for phone sex. Would you trust a regular porn user, who does it in SPITE of his wife's hurt to not make that call? And if the girl was also a prostitute or just a willing OW willing to meet him in person, would he say no? After years of porn use, when its become a little bit boring and he needs a greater high?
What would you do if you were not afraid?
"Fear is the little death. Fear is the mind-killer" Frank Herbert.
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If it doesn't turn him on, great!!
That means 'No problem, honey - consider porn a thing of the past', right? Yep!
If you are serious about saving your marriage, you can't get it all on this forum. You've got to listen to the Marriage Builders Radio show, every day. Install the app! Married to my radiant trophy wife, Prisca, 19 years. Father of 8. Attended Marriage Builders weekend in May 2010 If your wife is not on board with MB, some of my posts to other men might help you.
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Does he watch it for IC?
I think you may need to get out the RH questionaire, What is IC and RH?
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Does he watch it for IC?
I think you may need to get out the RH questionaire, What is IC and RH? RH=radical honesty IC=intimate conversation
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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My-O-My it has been so long since I have been here! I have not been away from MB though. Listen to the radio show when I can, also use the website often. I think about marriage recovery almost continuously.
So much has happened since I last posted here. Our house was damaged in a fire and I lost my job. I am working construction with H. We were forced to file bankruptcy. Our home/farm is in forecloser. We have a huge amount of stress and fight often. H is ill. I even called the ambulance in the middle of the night cause he was having chest pains, then he passed out. I have uncontrollable crying spells and times when I just want to be dead.
Our M is at the same place it was a year ago. I still am trying to get H to agree to 15 hours UA time (I'm sure it will take more than that though). Still trying to understand POJA, unsuccessfully. When we do have any UA time, it never seems to be "enough". I seems like, with depression, it is so hard for emotions to "get through". Does that make any sense?
We will have been married for 31 years this next May. Does anyone have any help for us or is it time to call it quits?
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H had an A with a woman (that I counted as a friend) 18 years ago. I fact, our families were friends (kids the same age, etc). Our DD (she was just a toddler) and I caught them. OW is now our auto insurance agent. Lives just down the road. Maybe see her once/month or less. After learning about this all he!! broke loose. One thing I remember H saying after the affair was revealed is that the whole time it was happening all he could think was what would '19kl83' say.
Since that time we have had many ups and downs. Labor day weekend 2012 I caught him "cheating" again...looking at porn and dating web sites. This was the third time he has been caught...so he knows my feelings on the subject. Actually, it is his hiding it from me that bothers me the most!
As I mentioned before...work is H's main focus all the years we have been married. He owns his own company and it has always been a struggle to pay bills. He doesn't gamble, drink or spend money. All his income goes to pay bad debt. I do his books so I know this is true. He works very hard, we have just had a very hard time financially!
We saw a counselor for a short time after the A. Guess what?!? the counselor said we.....wait for it...needed to spend time w/ each other. He recomended that I take the kids and a picnic lunch to the job site. I did this numerous times only to have H running around the job site toget his hired men ready for the next phase of the job.
I have told H many times that I am on the bottom of his "totem pole" he always denies it. After a big blow up, like the Labor Day weekend one, things are better for a while (he pays more attention to me)then things start to back slide again. Every time we backslide I feel like I care even less to make our M work.
I found this website while searching for a counselor (that I didn't think would do much good and we couldn't afford anyway). I have ordered 2 of Dr H's books. Hope to read them to H. He always wants me to read, then recap it to him, but that method is just not as good.
I really feel if we could agree to 15 hrs UA, have our EN met, his EMT time wouldn't bother me. We "got into it" last night again about dedicating the time. I had a calculator out and asked him to do the math. How many hours in a week - subtract sleep, work, travel, time geting ready for the day, ect. He still doesn't think 15 hours is doable. 19k, I haven't had time to read the entire thread, so could you please tell me whether the underlined passage is still true?
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Yes. Nothing has changed.
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Yes. Nothing has changed. Why haven't you got a new insurance agent? Also, what about moving?
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H income is very sporadic. Most insurance companies require their money at specific times. This woman is able to pay for the insurance and then wait for a check from us to cover her check. We cant afford to move. H family lives nearby. So does all of our children and grand children.
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Neither my H or I want to call it quits. We both say we want a M that is better than ever.
My lovebank is in the red and we need much UA time to repair the damage. I have searched MB website and this forum for free or low-cost ideas for UA time to meet EN. I am sure there must be a list somewhere but I haven't found it yet. There are some obvious free things: IC, Affection (at least: kissing, holding hands). Even SF isn't free (birth control, lube).
When it comes to meeting EN for conversation, we most always end up fighting about: money, work, bankruptcy, foreclosure. We have very little to talk about that isn't disheartening.
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OW is now our auto insurance agent. Lives just down the road. Maybe see her once/month or less. As long as this continues, no amount of UA will repair your marriage. You need to be focusing on THIS right now.
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That happened almost 20 years ago. I really don't feel like it is a major problem. I feel like I have dealt with that issue. Now it is the issue of not having time together and how to get my H to give us the time we need.
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H has asked me to not separate from him during this very stressful time of bankruptcy and foreclosure. We both understand that these detrimental things going on in our life do not help the relationship. We cant afford two separate living expenses now or later. If we loose our home to foreclosure the only place we will have to live is with MIL. I am so discouraged and heart broken. I feel I have wasted so much time in my life. I want our relationship to be a great one so no more time will be wasted.
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H has asked me to not separate from him during this very stressful time of bankruptcy and foreclosure. We both understand that these detrimental things going on in our life do not help the relationship. We cant afford two separate living expenses now or later. If we loose our home to foreclosure the only place we will have to live is with MIL. I am so discouraged and heart broken. I feel I have wasted so much time in my life. I want our relationship to be a great one so no more time will be wasted. What was his reason he gave you to want to separate? Seems like there may be contact between him and OW? How are you verifying NC?
FWW/BW (me) WH 2nd M for both Blended Family with 7 kids between us Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.
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I talk about a separation if our marriage cant be a wonderful one.
OW is remarried. I have access to his cell phone. H doesn't have face book or any other. Since I lost my job I work with him. I hear one side of most of his phone calls. I do his bookwork so I know where $ are being spent.
He doesn't want our marriage to fail, but he is not willing to put the time/effort that I need to qualify it as a great relationship. Work has always came first with him.
I am a wishy washy person, as far as, threatening to leave when things hit rock bottom for me. Then he says he's sorry. Things are better for a while, then they hit rock bottom again. This pattern will never end, if I don't put my foot down, but I just don't do it.
We don't even know what we would do to fill our UA time!
We don't know how to negotiate. We did POJA a situation last week. But he said my solution to the situation was one where 19kl83 won. I was very hurt by his comment because my solution was me giving up 2 hours volunteer time for 2 hours AU time for us. If he saw UA time as important it would have been a win/win solution.
He wants to be married to me and he thinks things are OK. Maybe I am wanting too much? Maybe I should just be content with how things are?
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We don't know how to negotiate. We did POJA a situation last week. But he said my solution to the situation was one where 19kl83 won. I was very hurt by his comment because my solution was me giving up 2 hours volunteer time for 2 hours AU time for us. If he saw UA time as important it would have been a win/win solution. Dr. Harley's latest book, "He Wins, She Wins", is a great resource for learning how to negotiate. In this case, it appears that your husband thinks you are winning because you are getting what you want, and you think that is unfair because you are sacrificing. There is no place for sacrificing. It is a losing strategy from the start. Sacrificing can not lead to a win-win, no matter how desirable the end objective is. You can still negotiate to give up the time, but your seeing it as a sacrifice is as wrong as his seeing the solution as your win.
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I would never feel like I was sacrificing if I gained UA time.
H said I would "win" whether I continued my volunteer position (against his wishes) or if we spent the time in UA.
I feel very sad when he feels UA is just a win for me, it should be a win for him too. He would like me to give up this volunteer time to work the construction business.
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I would never feel like I was sacrificing if I gained UA time.
H said I would "win" whether I continued my volunteer position (against his wishes) or if we spent the time in UA.
I feel very sad when he feels UA is just a win for me, it should be a win for him too. He would like me to give up this volunteer time to work the construction business. Are you doing things you both enjoy during your UA?
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We love traveling but that is totally out if the question right now. Dining out is something we both enjoy but cant do very much.
We are having a hard time coming up with ideas for UA that are free or low-cost. Eat out once per week. The rest of the time staying home: reading a book together, watching a movie, fixing a meal together, a little affection and SF. We definitely don't get enough UA!
Last night we had planned to fix a nice meal together. H came home very tired and not hungry. I fixed the meal and he did set down and eat a little with me.
I feel we are so emotionally disconnected. Low or empty love banks?
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