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Originally Posted by kingsrr
I am still in the fog thinking that as long as WW admitted the A, regardless of how long or how intense, this is a step. That WW has NC for life, is a bigger step. That WW is extremely apologetic and eager to SAA. That points that matter most are made; and I should get off this kick and work toward the long road of R.

Not all BSs want to know every nitty gritty detail...and that is fine. However, being eager to jump into recovery when important, basic details are still unanswered will be a problem...it always is. The BSs that ignore the fact finding end up never recovering because the "truth" gnaws at them or they end up being duped and have a FR. That WW is extremely apologetic and eager may be an indication that she wants you two to go steam full ahead vs you uncovering more truth about what happened. This is typical. Do not bypass necessary steps to confirm the truth or answer questions you may have...many regret it.


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Yes. Poly Saturday.

From what I read in http://forum.marriagebuilders.com/ubbt/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1659680#Post1659680
and the book/ I believe that The steps are complete and poly not needed.
Step 1: Military-grade operation to develop intelligence
DONE

Step 2: Confront your wayward spouse
DONE

Step 3: Since your wayward spouse has not admitted to the infidelity it's necessary to expose...to end their relationship.
DONE; admittance and exposure

Step 4: You've studied Plan A...Plan A gives you the opportunity to work on yourself and the marriage
Where I think I should be. Working on it not dwelling.

Step 5: Plan A sometimes works...Therefore, a Plan A is usually, logically, followed by Plan B.
Plan A did work. According to my logic.

Step 6: There are no guarantees in life. Sometimes all that you can do doesn't result in your wayward spouse returning home, becoming repentant, and agreeing to work hard on the marriage.
N/A; WW is home, repentant and agree to work hard on the marriage.

Ex. Coping with Infidelity: Part 4
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi5062_qa.html

Some people are better at remembering than others
Instead, I tend to focus my attention on the present and the future, because they are what we can all do something about. The past is over and done with. Why waste our effort on the past when the future is upon us. Granted, it's useful to learn lessons from the past, but if we dwell on the past, we take our eyes off the future which can lead to disaster.


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Originally Posted by black_raven
Not all BSs want to know every nitty gritty detail...and that is fine. However, being eager to jump into recovery when important, basic details are still unanswered will be a problem...it always is. The BSs that ignore the fact finding end up never recovering because the "truth" gnaws at them or they end up being duped and have a FR. That WW is extremely apologetic and eager may be an indication that she wants you two to go steam full ahead vs you uncovering more truth about what happened. This is typical. Do not bypass necessary steps to confirm the truth or answer questions you may have...many regret it.
I understand that concept. I have done very much fact finding and WW has answered to all of them. WW time, WW location, etc. There is now proof (from work documents) that WW could have only stayed in the hotel with OM for ~30min. Although enough time for action; surely not expected on a first time lovers visit. This makes sense of WW accountability that she got room for OM needs.
Yes, she is that kind of a person that would get used by others.

So it goes to my reason. Spending 500$ to prove that the 30 min is not drive time vs action? Seems to sound like I am dwelling on details not needed. Appears to me that I will be wasting energy and efforts that only still leave doubt. Doubt that Poly is wrong, doubt that questions were wrong. As per my previous; I have confession and details. Per Dr. Harley, "but if we dwell on the past, we take our eyes off the future which can lead to disaster."


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Do everything you can to find out the truth. Your marriage cannot recover when dishonesty is still present. That is the reason that you are having your WW do a poly - to prove what the truth is. Only when you know the truth can you proceed to the next steps.

I think that having the truth is worth every penny.

Also, you need to know all the avenues that were used for contact during the affair. You need to figure out what EP's to put into place so that another affair doesn't happen in the future.


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Originally Posted by kingsrr
Sorry, this again was for me.
How to move on. WW wants to. Dr. Harley says to. Friends want me to.
Its just really hard and I constantly second guess.

I've never heard Dr. Harley utter those words except in the context that a wayward is just gone. Never during recovery. Sounds like a helluva lot of rugsweeping going on here.


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WW answered my ?'s. Provided physical proof where possible.
This is why I lean towards my lack of trust in the way and not her dishonesty.
I truly believe this to be the case described on p.24, 2nd paragraph.


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All avenues were text and co friends.
Text tracked via app and carrier. Friends NC done also.


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Originally Posted by kingsrr
Yes. Poly Saturday.

It would be crazy to skip this step with a truth-trickling wayward who is telling a story that no one here on the SAA forum believes. So good job on following through.

I have a feeling your WW will be working hard to make you happy and feel the poly isn't necessary so be on your guard. Let us know what happens with the poly.


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Yes. That is what has me.
She is doing anything to make me happy. And against $ on poly. Goes to stories on here as red flag.

I am not sure if it is lies or apologies that is making her do so much.


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Originally Posted by kingsrr
Yes. That is what has me.
She is doing anything to make me happy. And against $ on poly. Goes to stories on here as red flag.

I am not sure if it is lies or apologies that is making her do so much.

Don't overthink it. It needs to get done ASAP.

THEN you can move on to recovery. You're not there yet. Don't let your WW trick you into thinking you are...



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Originally Posted by kingsrr
All avenues were text and co friends.
Text tracked via app and carrier. Friends NC done also.
Has she changed all contact information?

Has she given you a list of EPs?


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EP ?


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Originally Posted by kingsrr
EP ?

Extraordinary Precations.

Read the links that Brainy just posted.

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Yes all 3
JC ongoing
EP's all in place.
Poly Saturday. Have read that couple times.


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Listened to last segment on Just Compensation.
Dr. H says "...once asked for forgiveness we are to treat them as this never happened."
My WW continues to repent and ask for forgiveness daily, at least once.

Now, why am I and this group not letting go?

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Because the affair topic becomes off limits, ONLY after the full and complete truth comes out.

Obviously, everyone more experienced in the signs of infidelity see many red flags that you are dismissing.

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Originally Posted by kingsrr
Yes all 3
JC ongoing
EP's all in place.
Poly Saturday. Have read that couple times.
What EPs? Can you list them?

Has she changed all her contact information?


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Update
WW refuses to poly.
Gave me more info and swears, again, I know all about EA.
All info is in the form of her "words." No physical evidence at all to back her "words." My trust is gone, so I am unsure of how to continue or even step towards R.


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If she refuses to take a polygraph i would assume that the affair is ongoing

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On 1/27 you said she was okay with a polygraph.
So she basically lied to you.
There is only ONE reason why a person would refuse to take a polygraph...

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