Welcome to the
Marriage Builders® Discussion Forum

This is a community where people come in search of marriage related support, answers, or encouragement. Also, information about the Marriage Builders principles can be found in the books available for sale in the Marriage Builders® Bookstore.
If you would like to join our guidance forum, please read the Announcement Forum for instructions, rules, & guidelines.
The members of this community are peers and not professionals. Professional coaching is available by clicking on the link titled Coaching Center at the top of this page.
We trust that you will find the Marriage Builders® Discussion Forum to be a helpful resource for you. We look forward to your participation.
Once you have reviewed all the FAQ, tech support and announcement information, if you still have problems that are not addressed, please e-mail the administrators at mbrestored@gmail.com
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#2800823 05/09/14 06:48 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5
Y
Junior Member
Junior Member
Y Offline
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5
Background. 8yr commitment, same sex relationship. Wpartner got into emailing with a friend we both know. Much younger woman. Partner is drawn to helping people, like being a mentor. They bonded over jokes and quick banter while I'm more a quiet type. Over the past year, I felt WP pulling away emotionally and brought it up on several occasions and each time she said they were just friends and assured me she loved me. We talked of taking our relationship to the next level, marriage. When that came up, I was nervous and WP took that as rejection now claiming I did not love her. She also said she got cold feet and backed off. In the mean time she is telling her friend all about our troubles. Personally I did not think we had that many problems. Yes, I realize now I could have done a bit more, but still trusted her love as she was texting and emailing me such while she traveled for work. I fully trusted those words.
Beginning of March all was well. She then reached out to her friend to offer some emotional support and next thing I know, I hear.... I love you,BUT...
WP broke up with me, but cried she wants us to be friends and asked me to stay in the home and be roommates. We have a lot of animals and I am very concerned for their well being as they already have displayed depression knowing something has changed.
I know she has taken her EA to a sexual level and they claim to love each other dearly, they can't wait to meet. She denies the EA to me, but now being broke up she can do as she pleases. The OW even texted me asking me how my work was going. Like I said, I know who she is.
I of course want to save my relationship, but WP says not right now, we both have issues to work on. Truthfully it's because she wants this cyber affair.
I'm just looking for advice. I know my situation is different as we were not legally married.

Yoyolove #2800866 05/09/14 10:27 PM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 20,481
Likes: 6
B
Member
Member
B Offline
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 20,481
Likes: 6
Welcome to MB.

So you aren't legally married?


FWW/BW (me)
WH
2nd M for both
Blended Family with 7 kids between us
Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.



BrainHurts #2800869 05/09/14 10:34 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5
Y
Junior Member
Junior Member
Y Offline
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5
No, 8yr commitment, was planning marriage this year. Very intertwined together though, but WP is quickly pulling a lot apart.

Yoyolove #2800872 05/09/14 10:43 PM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 20,481
Likes: 6
B
Member
Member
B Offline
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 20,481
Likes: 6
Have you read this?
Buyers, Renters and Freeloaders

Why have you two never married?


FWW/BW (me)
WH
2nd M for both
Blended Family with 7 kids between us
Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.



BrainHurts #2800875 05/09/14 10:47 PM
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 9,574
Likes: 1
N
Member
Member
N Offline
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 9,574
Likes: 1
YYL, welcome to MB! What do you see as your next steps here? It sounds like you do have some time for some quick Plan A type stuff because she has no plans to move and you all have the shared animals. How can you best target your effort? Do you know her top emotional needs (ENs)?


Me 40, OD 18 and YD 13
Married 15 years, Divorced 10/2010
NewEveryDay #2800879 05/09/14 10:58 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5
Y
Junior Member
Junior Member
Y Offline
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5
Brain, we are a same sex couple. Laws are changing but not in the state we live in.
New, if any one moves, would have to be me. Even though we bought a home and everything in it is what we planned together, the title is only in her name. It's her house by law. Many articles I have read seem to point to the WS as choosing to remain in the primary relationship, which I feel is why she wants me to stay, plus the pets and she travels a lot.
She has already ended our relationship saying she is not in love any more and that she didn't want to cheat on me. But, she wants me here and to be friends. I'm having a very difficult time because how sudden it was and how much I love her. I don't know if I should wait it out or leave.

Yoyolove #2800881 05/09/14 11:01 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5
Y
Junior Member
Junior Member
Y Offline
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5
Oh, she is denying her AE to all, and truly it will never amount to anything due to the circumstances of the OW.

Yoyolove #2800888 05/09/14 11:25 PM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 11,239
J
Member
Member
J Offline
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 11,239
Yoyolove,

I'm sorry for your pain.

Dr. Harley encourages heterosexual relationships, leading to marriage.
He believes that most homosexual relationships are volatile and problematic.

Have you considered dating men?

Jedi_Knight #2800896 05/09/14 11:50 PM
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5
Y
Junior Member
Junior Member
Y Offline
Joined: May 2014
Posts: 5
Yes Jedi, was married over 20yrs to an emotion mental abuser before I couldn't take any more.

Yoyolove #2800901 05/10/14 12:10 AM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 11,239
J
Member
Member
J Offline
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 11,239
Originally Posted by Yoyolove
Yes Jedi, was married over 20yrs to an emotion mental abuser before I couldn't take any more.

Dr. Harley's books can help you build tools to have successful relationships leading to marriage

Jedi_Knight #2800902 05/10/14 12:11 AM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 11,239
J
Member
Member
J Offline
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 11,239
A good starting book would be Buyers Renters Freeloaders by Dr. Harley

BrainHurts #2800904 05/10/14 12:14 AM
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 20,481
Likes: 6
B
Member
Member
B Offline
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 20,481
Likes: 6
Originally Posted by BrainHurts
Did you read this?


FWW/BW (me)
WH
2nd M for both
Blended Family with 7 kids between us
Too much hurt and pain on both sides that my brain hurts just thinking about it all.



Loyal2afault #2801027 05/10/14 09:23 PM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 11,239
J
Member
Member
J Offline
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 11,239
Originally Posted by Loyal2afault
Originally Posted by Jedi_Knight
Have you considered dating men?
Why would she do this??

Dr. Harley advises this.
He has worked extensively with homosexual relationships and found them to be very volatile.
When he operated the largest chain of mental health clinics in Minnesota, he often helped homosexuals change their orientation to heterosexual.
All of his concepts on Marriage Builders are based on marriages between two people of the opposite sex.

Originally Posted by Defending Traditional Marriage by Dr. Harley
Defending Traditional Marriage by Dr. Willard F. Harley, Jr. (Chapter 13 Pgs. 209-218)...


Do Same-Sex Relationships Really Work?

Traditional marriage creates the most fulfilling relationship that is possible in life. When all four of its essential elements are in place, a husband and wife-and their children-are very happy. But when even one of those elements is lacking, trouble is on the horizon.

It's easy to see how the lack of extraordinary care, sexual exclusivity, or permanence would wreck a relationship. But is it all that important for the couple to be of opposite sexes?

Admittedly, there's not much published research on this topic. As with surveys that ask people about incidences of infidelity, it's difficult to obtain accurate data regarding fulfillment in same-sex relationships. In public surveys, most people will either deny ever having had an affair or, when they do admit it, will tend to downplay its disastrous consequences. Likewise, in surveys, same-sex couples who are fighting for the right to marry are likely to downplay frustration or dissatisfaction with their relationships.

But I've observed hundreds of same-sex couples in my own professional experience, and they have always stood out to me as being characteristically frustrated and depressed-many to the point of suicide. Same-sex relationships tend to be very brief and, especially for men, very unhealthy and violent. Granted, I've seen my share of unhealthy opposite-sex relationships as well. Yet on average, the same-sex relationships I've witnessed have been far more fragile.

For these and a host of other clinical reasons, I've discouraged my clients from maintaining their same-sex relationships. Instead I encourage them to either pull away from romantic relationships entirely for a time or to turn their attention to opposite-sex relationships. And, contrary to public perceptions, I've seen many clients successfully reorient themselves to opposite-sex relationships. Scores of my previously gay and lesbian clients are now happily married with children-all because they embraced a traditional definition of marriage that is marked by extraordinary care for life.

I have absolutely no doubt that same-sex relationships can be very romantic. And they can be characterized by the extraordinary care I've suggested. But even in the best of these relationships, when a couple has been honest with me, they have both admitted that they would have preferred feeling the same way toward someone of the opposite sex. The truth is, on average, opposite-sex relationships tend to be more stable and fulfilling. And that, in itself, is a good reason to promote traditional marriage rather than same-sex marriage. But there's also another, even more important reason: the welfare of our children.

Last edited by Jedi_Knight; 05/10/14 09:33 PM.
Jedi_Knight #2801032 05/10/14 10:47 PM
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 217
D
Administrator
Member
Administrator
Member
D Offline
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 217
A reminder to posters that the purpose of our forum is to help posters with Marriage Builders concepts. We are not here to discuss or debate personal philosophies. If you can help this poster with Marriage Builders solutions, we welcome your posts. Otherwise, we ask that you refrain from posting.


MBDenali@gmail.com

Link Copied to Clipboard
Forum Search
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 237 guests, and 12 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Countfunkula, mollye14, Pansu, sakyt, George Mixflicke
72,372 Registered Users
Latest Posts
Forum Statistics
Forums67
Topics133,659
Posts2,323,613
Members72,372
Most Online9,682
May 13th, 2026
deneme bonusu
Building Marriages That Last A Lifetime
Copyright © 2025, Marriage Builders, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Site Navigation
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0