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Originally Posted by PigletWiglet
Infatuation is the same as falling in love.

Well, people do behave foolishly while falling in love. Elvis sang a song that only fools do. So maybe it is the same

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Originally Posted by Jedi_Knight
Originally Posted by PigletWiglet
Infatuation is the same as falling in love.

Always refer to the dictionary for word meanings!

Originally Posted by Oxford Dictionary
an intense but short-lived passion or admiration for someone or something:

"he had developed an infatuation with the girl"




Originally Posted by American Heritage Dictionary
in�fat�u�ate
(ĭn-făch′o͞o-āt′)
tr.v. in�fat�u�at�ed, in�fat�u�at�ing, in�fat�u�ates
1. To inspire with unreasoning love or attachment.

2. To cause to behave foolishly.

adj. (-ĭt, -āt′)
Infatuated.

Good point. I stand corrected.


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Hi SC, I did, actually. It does indeed make for interesting reading. Is romantic love the same thing as infatuation? I'm still new to this, so please bear with me.
Well - that's a matter of definition, isn't it? And that will vary, depending on who is doing the defining, and for what purpose.

I have never heard Dr H use the term "infatuation", or try to define the difference between that and romantic love. He uses the term romantic love, which he does define, and he tries to make romantic love last a lifetime.

I do see what you are trying to get at, but I think you're trying too hard to define specific stages. Dr H doesn't really do that, to my knowledge.

The term 'infatuation" has rather pejorative overtones, I think. People seem to use to for the very purpose of dismissing certain feelings. They use it to describe feelings that, in this view, cannot possibly last. The argument is that if you take life-changing decisions when you are in the infatuation stage, you will come to regret them, because your feelings will wear off and you will be stuck with someone you don't love at all - you might not even like them very much.

I've never heard Dr H talk about that with respect to getting married. He gives advice on how to choose a future spouse, and the willingness to POJA is the most important criterion that we can use to predict the likelihood of success.

Having your feelings wear off is not to be confused with finding out that your spouse is a mass murderer. You need to know as much as you can about your future spouse's history.

But Dr Harley is very much against the idea that our feelings must wear off. The goal of MB is to stop them wearing off, and to keep in-love feelings alive.

I agree this was a very good response.

Our problem with the word "love" is the number of different situations we use the word in. I enjoy studying the Greek terms for love in the Bible because they are so specific and direct.

What MB promotes is what the ancient Greeks would refer to as "eros". Directly translated to romantic love, as Dr. Harley refers to it.


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CS Lewis calls Eros the most powerful, but most dangerous love. I would agree. Read The Four Loves if you have not. Actually, read everything you can by CS Lewis.


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The root meaning of infatuation is to 'make foolish'. Dr H counsels that all types of romantic love can do that. Friendliness and flirting etc. We've seen married people even be foolish about their abusive spouse.

I can't remember which article but he counsels not developing feelings for foolish targets or people outside your marriage because you will 'wake up one day with your judgment seriously compromised.' I think he says it is the choice of person which makes a feeling of love foolish.

Interestingly an illogical relationship also has less chance of lasting.


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"Fear is the little death. Fear is the mind-killer" Frank Herbert.

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Originally Posted by indiegirl
Interestingly an illogical relationship also has less chance of lasting.

Well, this makes sense, actually. Affairs are so blatantly fantasy-land that I cannot even fathom anymore why someone would stay in one. The only way they would "work" for any length of time is through either ignoring them of enabling them (i.e. not exposing).

You have to blatantly ignore your own conscience, all the expectations society and those around you have for you AND delude yourself that you actually trust your affair partner to any real degree in order to continue. Reality catches up to all of us eventually. God is not easily mocked.


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Dr. Harley often calls affairs illogical on the radio show and it makes sense. Marriages are (ideally) well considered relationships where there are formal introductions to family and a courting period of several months to a year. Most people don't just "fall" into a marriage.

But people fall into affairs emotionally and from the way some of FWS's describe things here, something like an affairage or affair which survives exposure is built in no small part on hubris, where the illusion of it being the "superior" relationship has to be maintained for the sake of appearances.


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Originally Posted by PigletWiglet
CS Lewis calls Eros the most powerful, but most dangerous love. I would agree. Read The Four Loves if you have not. Actually, read everything you can by CS Lewis.

Wow, I never actually stopped to think before there were different types of love, and this definitely is a must read for everyone. Thanks for the info. I think my whole past marriage was all philia with my husband, and probably many marriages fall into this after a while, some never go through Eros at all when they marry because they have a strong attachment caring relationship that isn't romantic or passionate at all. Eros, that is what this program is about, and that is what we are now creating with my husband for really, the first time ever thanks to this program.
I am starting to feel alive again after so long when I actually start feeling in love, feeling high, and I really believe my husband is too, not just by his words, but actions. Thanks SugarCane, Indigirl, Prisca, HappyHeart, BrainHurts, SusieQ, Melody... and list goes on for facilitating so much information and time for me. Thanks HappyHeart and others for posting and getting through my husband's head somehow. Thanks Ax for sharing your story back when I was new. It allowed me to understand what he wasn't saying to me.





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