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Originally Posted by Jadedhusband
She could have easily deleted the messages as she has done previously. She has an IPad and an IPod which I do not have spyware on. She also has a laptop at work that I do not have access to. I know my net has holes in it but I believe that their has been no contact with OM.

Why is there no spyware on the iPad?? You said that's what she uses the most... That doesn't make any sense to me !


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SQ, I have easy access to the iPad and iPod but she seems to protect her phone the most. I decided to spend my money monotoring the phone. The phone (an android) is what she uses the most and what she used for the last contact with OM. I ment to say she uses iPad more than the iPod or home computer.

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Originally Posted by Jadedhusband
SQ, I have easy access to the iPad and iPod but she seems to protect her phone the most. I decided to spend my money monotoring the phone. The phone (an android) is what she uses the most and what she used for the last contact with OM. I ment to say she uses iPad more than the iPod or home computer.

Right, I believe you said earlier you would start with the phone and if nothing came up, you would then do the iPad.

We recommend putting keyloggers on all home computers and devices that you have access to, as you were advised to do earlier. Better to be safe than sorry.



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Originally Posted by Jadedhusband
I plan on siting down with my children on Monday to tell them what has been going on in their life the last 4 years that I have hidden from them. My son lives across the state and we will be together then. I will adjust my exposure list based on the response I get from my wife this weekend. My pastor and close friend will get an exposure letter along with close family. If extrodinary precausions are in place I will leave OM out of it, except for the NC letter.
This is my plan. I will post my exposure letter after I have rewritten what ML has posted for me. Thank you all for your help so far.

It would be a mistake to "adjust your exposure list" based on her reaction. What you plan is a "trickle" exposure which is a waste of time. It is just enough to infuriate the affairees but not enough to kill the affair. The purpose of exposure is to motivate her to end her affair for life and gain the support of others. Keeping it a secret helps the fantasy thrive. Her reaction could be to take it further underground and just tell you anything to get you off her back.

I am very concerned that you are looking for an easier, softer way out of this. Don't do that if you want to save your marriage.


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This advice seems to have been ignored.

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Originally Posted by Jadedhusband
What has been said here and by Dr. Harley is children should always be told, even if the affair was 20 yrs ago. I need to tell them, who else should be told? Full list? Just family and parents?

I would keep this within a close circle of family and friends, in addition to contacting the OM's GF and the OM. I would send something to this effect to family and friends:

Dear friends and family,

I am writing you this message because you are an important person in the lives of xxxx and I. I am asking for your support in our marriage. A few years ago, I discovered an affair between WW and her old boyfriend, OM. I was devastated. This affair consisted of hundreds of messages of very sexual, personal content. They may or may not have met up at the time. I know it was planned and don't know if they followed through. Contact has been intermittent recently and WW has refused to end contact.

I want our marriage to recover from this affair. However, that cannot happen as long as this guy is hanging around my marriage waiting for an opening. I live a life waiting for the other shoe to drop. If you have any influence on my babe, please do what you can to get her to stop this affair once and for all. I want to stay married, but this must end.

As our friends and family, I am asking that you use your influence with xxxx to persuade her to end her affair and try to work on our marriage. Our marriage can be salvaged if she would only end this for life. Please support her in doing the right thing. Please support our marriage.

I would so appreciate your support and prayers. Thank you, Jaded Husband


Then forward your email to the OM's parents and his girlfriend, ccing that dirtbag:

Dear Mr and Mrs OM and SallyGF, I am forwarding you the email I just sent to our family and friends about the affair between OM and my wife. I felt strongly you should know about the affair since it has never ended. I am asking that you use your influence to persuade your son to stay away from my life forever. His interference in my marriage for the past XX years has been devastating to me and my children. Please ask him to stay away.

Thank you, Jaded Husband


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Good morning all,
I have been on the forms for a long time but have not posted in over a year. You can go back and read my thread but the short version is I am in a marriage that has not recovered from my wife's emotional affair. When Dr. Harley answered a question for me he stated that the affair was not just emotional because of the history between my wife and OM prior to our marriage. He also stated that their is really no difference between the two anyway.
My question is how do I move forward when my wife refuses to look at Dr. Harley's material. At first I did not mention Marriage builders when she was in the the Affair. After the affair ran its course and died a natural death I began mentioning the web site and that it could help us. This morning after a discussion she said she would work threw some marriage material, just not Dr. Harley's.
I have to take responsibility for my failures in this, if I had done what was recommended here the outcome would not be an unrecovered marriage. I did do several things that were recommended. I told my adult children what had happened. I have also told a few friends and my pastor. I also have confronted the OM via text message when he contacted family members earlier this year. He stated that he had not planned to contact my wife and only wanted to visit with my father in-law. I told him to stay away from my wife and to stay out of my marriage. This occurred very near my wife's birthday. I have however not contacted OM girlfriend or his parents.
I do not want to give the impression that my marriage is in terrible shape. It is mostly the same as it was prior to my wife's affair. I now understand and believe Dr. Harley's material and am very interested in preventing any more affairs in my marriage. I understand the risks of a secret second life and opposite sex friendships outside of the marriage. I think about this at Christmas and at birthdays, because that is when contact always happened, even after the intense part of my wife's emotional affair was over. My wife has committed to never seeing or speaking with the OM again.
Is there other material out there that is similar to Dr. Harley's? Is there a way I can bring in his materials in a less direct way? (I am not sure I like the way that sounds). Trust has built in me through the checking I have done and the way my wife is acting, which is back to pre affair times. But I am still left waiting for "the other shoe to drop" Meaning I want to prevent this from ever happening again. I want to implement extraordinary precaution.
I know my post can serve as an example of what not to do. If nothing else it can serve that purpose but any additional help you can give me would be helpful. I very much appreciate the time and experience each of you brings to this forum.


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Give her the SAA checklist. Is she willing to do it? As Dr. Harley likes to say, she doesn't need to believe In the program, just follow the steps.

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