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Originally Posted by KaylaJ
He is aware that if he brings up the A, I will not engage. If he persists, I will leave.

I am worried that the minute I stand my ground on this, he'll blow up. I'll be the heartless you-know-what who isn't being sensitive to his pain.
That is a very real possibility. You need to be prepared to follow through with a separation if he has another angry outburst.

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We are both on FB. This is not a trigger. What IS a trigger online has been promptly removed, erased, blown up, obliterated.
Facebook may not be a trigger, but it is an unnecessary risk to your marriage. You have had multiple affairs, some online. Facebook is a breeding ground for affairs. You need to set the bar high in order to recover, and that includes eliminating social media.

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Our children are too young. 9 and 7. I respect Dr. H's views on this, despite not agreeing with it. I'm not completely closed to the idea, and so we still have time to discuss this before they become teenagers. Our main concern is hurting them. Teenagers are not mature adults. They are not always rational. And they have enough to deal with (puberty, dating, school, self esteem, ect...) without having this thrown on top of it. I'd sooner have this talk with them when they are adults, maybe when they enter their first serious adult relationship.
Another reason is that I've known many friends and famiy members who have learned about their parents' infedelity during their childhood or teenage years, and all it did was create animosity, hatred, and disrespect toward that parent, and the relationships have still not healed from it. My H, despite his downfalls, cares too much about me to even risk that happening with our kids.
I wrote Dr. Harley about this subject, and he responded to my question on his radio show. Here's a link to the segment:
http://www.marriagebuilders.com/radio_program/play_segment.cfm?sid=7013#

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As for friends, this is where I'm a bit more open to it. We have some sets of friends we see a lot and don't want to ruin the closeness we have with them. But what are your thoughts of us each choosing one friend each to open up to about it? Then we at least have someone else to talk to about it if we need to.
In my experience, telling friends did not ruin the closeness we had with them. True friends will be there to support both of you as you recover.

It's scary, I know. My family was told of my affair the weekend of my daughter's birthday party. I was an emotional basket case, expecting hellfire and brimstone to rain down on me. They had nothing but love and support for me, and a newfound respect for my husband. The fear of what was going to happen was worse than anything that did.

And, really, if your friends act any different than that, are they really your friends?

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Between going for walks (which includes conversation and affection), and skiing (recreational companionship), we do get about 15 hrs out of the house of UA per week. And our sex life is not suffering despite our issues. It's only gotten better. (Is that common?)

This is GREAT. And yes, that is common.
But it won't continue that way if he continues to lovebust you.


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You've given me a lot to think about. I suppose there's no harm in leaving FB, whereas staying on there leaves room for him to doubt me. Should he leave FB too, or just me because I was the one who was unfaithful? I don't want to take away something he likes because of what I did.

I listened to the radio segment on telling kids. I'm still not sure about telling them while they're teens (for the same reasons I've given before), but I think making a point of telling them when they're very young adults could be good. Something to discuss with my H.

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Originally Posted by KaylaJ
I suppose there's no harm in leaving FB, whereas staying on there leaves room for him to doubt me. Should he leave FB too, or just me because I was the one who was unfaithful? I don't want to take away something he likes because of what I did.
No offense, but of course there is no harm in leaving FB, lol It's social media for heaven's sakes. I always am very weary of a couple who is reluctant to close a FB account - its a red flag that other important EPs are being skipped.

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I listened to the radio segment on telling kids. I'm still not sure about telling them while they're teens (for the same reasons I've given before), but I think making a point of telling them when they're very young adults could be good. Something to discuss with my H.

This is a corner that should not be cut, ever. Dr Harley says this is the single most important step towards a successful recovery. Not only does it give your BH the support he likely needs, but it helps to ensure that you do not stray again.


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Originally Posted by KaylaJ
I think we can try to work the no-nights-away-from-each-other rule. Depending on the kids' school schedule, we can tag along while he's out of town.
too much about me to even risk that happening with our kids.

I am not sure if I am reading this incorrectly - but your response seems somewhat wishy washy, here.

This is another point on which Dr Harley is FIRM. No nights apart, ever. This is for couples who have NEVER strayed. Forget a marriage with one spouse who is a multiple offender.

I don't think you understand, Kayla, that most couples DO NOT make it after the marriage has been traumatized by infidelity.

Without exposure and an strict adherence to EPs, your marriage is not going to make it. Not only does Dr Harley say this but those of us who have stuck around the forums for some time see these cases over and over and over again, people who come back and have had more affairs or the marriage has just struggled along.



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Originally Posted by KaylaJ
I listened to the radio segment on telling kids. I'm still not sure about telling them while they're teens (for the same reasons I've given before), but I think making a point of telling them when they're very young adults could be good. Something to discuss with my H.

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Our children are too young. 9 and 7. I respect Dr. H's views on this, despite not agreeing with it. I'm not completely closed to the idea, and so we still have time to discuss this before they become teenagers. Our main concern is hurting them. Teenagers are not mature adults. They are not always rational. And they have enough to deal with (puberty, dating, school, self esteem, ect...) without having this thrown on top of it. I'd sooner have this talk with them when they are adults, maybe when they enter their first serious adult relationship.

Another reason is that I've known many friends and famiy members who have learned about their parents' infedelity during their childhood or teenage years, and all it did was create animosity, hatred, and disrespect toward that parent, and the relationships have still not healed from it. My H, despite his downfalls, cares too much about me to even risk that happening with our kids.

I'm sorry that you are choosing to ignore Dr Harley's advice on telling your children. He's the expert, after all.

They already KNOW something is wrong in the household. Children feel marital tension and problems and typically blame themselves.

I have experience (as do many other forum members) in exposing to children and teens of all ages and having affairs exposed to themselves as children, some of which is discussed here:
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Have you read this and listened to the radio clips? What is Just Compensation?


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I have not read your entire post and situation but I think I can chime in about telling the kids. My wife had an A about four years ago. At that time my three daughters were 17, 12 and 8 years old. They were devastated. My wife already had less than a good relationship with the oldest and this would have given her every reason to break all ties.

Fast forward to now. While I'm sure it still affects them in some ways I could not imagine not letting them in on what all the turmoil was over.

They are pretty resilant and down deep want they seek the truth most from there parents, good and bad.

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I feel for you. I am currently in a very similar boat, except that we have now passed the "danger" part. I hope that you have too and that you are futher into your recovery and happy.
My husband and I are in our third month since D-Day. We are communicating better, having more (and even better) sex, and we (especially him) are more affectionate than ever. We are supporting each other through everything.

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Well, I hope that you are doing well and progressing happily in your marriage. Any advice for a girl in a similar boat?

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Hi, RmrsflChtr, welcome to Marriage Builders.

Just about everyone who comes here is in the same boat - our best thinking ruined our marriage. In fact only 20% of marriages stay happy for life.

So rather than giving our own conflicting opinions, don't you think we should focus on Dr. Harley's recovery plan, which actually works, and is based on his studies of successful marriages for decades?


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Well, I hope that you are doing well and progressing happily in your marriage. Any advice for a girl in a similar boat?

Rmrs, I suggest you start your own thread and tell your own story. You're replying on four month old threads where the people who posted on them may not even be watching any more.


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My husband and I are in our third month since D-Day.
That's not a very long time, in the grand scheme of things. I can remember being 3 months post DDay ... you are in a fragile place, and you need to be very careful what steps you take. The road to recovery is very narrow, and a lot of people don't make it. Why not start your own thread, and we can discuss where you are and where you need to go?


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