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Okay, I have read on the board and on MB site many times that you are not supposed to punish your spouse for telling the truth, but what if it is something that you just can't accept that they are telling the truth about? Like if your in recovery and you find out from your wayward spouse that they are still in contact with other person - how are you supposed to respond to that without being angry and in the same sense if you did'nt appear angry would that not tell the spouse "hey it's no big deal"?? I have a hard time with accepting or finding the best route to go about this one. Any suggestions or anyone been in this situation? Maybe I just have a hardtime trying to figure out the fine line here...

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First understand that marital recovery does not actually start until both parties agree to try and save the M and ALL contact has stopped. So this isn't truly marital recovery. Personal recovery is something else.

To answer your question, it’s true in plan A and life you can’t kill the messenger or she won’t bring any more hard messages.

You are right expressing nothing only enables that A to continue as if it were OK with you. How do you respond, Honestly but tactfully, you thank her for being honest and tell her how you feel about it, what it does to you, what you fear it may do in the long run. Not whining, not crying just as matter of factly as you can. There is nothing wrong with saying you’re angered over it. Anger itself is not a bad thing, acting aggressively, yelling screaming and LB’ing because of the anger is what’s bad.

I’ve seen it go a bunch of ways with contact. Some have continued their plan A in hopes it would make the WS wake up. Some have set it up as a boundary on day 1. That was my tact, my W wanted our M but had feelings for OM. I told her I could work with anything but continued contact and if we were going to try it had to stop then, or I’d walk and I would have. I’ve seen both work and fail both ways so I can’t advise which route is best for you, only you can do that. But remember – NEVER – threaten what you can’t deliver on, so don’t give an ultimatum you can’t live with.

Does this OM have a W? do people know about the A? How far are you in the the book SAA ?

Hang in there,
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promise,

It's a bigger picture of marriage that is the goal....

The goal is that in a marriage no one should be in the role of punisher and punishee...that two people need better coping and problem solving skills to deal with issues....

that is why one would say one should not be punished for this or that

BUT that is not to say that one does not set personal boundaries and decisions about what is acceptable in their own world....clearly define what is acceptable to them...and clearly state what the person will do if others choose different boundary lines...

And feelings are not denied...feeling hurt and angry, and lost are real but what is encouraged is to learn ways to to react with those emotions in control...

You clearly should let your spouse know when you are angry...the problem is that if your anger is displayed in such a way...loud loud yelling, name calling, disrepect...bringing up other and old garbage into the issue at hand...ALL distract from problem solving ..and from even being heard....

wanna get someones attention...
whisper your anger...
doing the unexpected especially in arguing...seeking out new ways to handle conflict instead of the same old not working old ways...is part of the goal...and often is a change that makes the other person take notice...

old familiar ineffective arguing blaming patterns get none of us anywhere......and are nothing but comfortable 'see things won't ever change"...routes...

disrepectful name calling when angry derail the whole thing...and take the arguement off into tail chasing babble...that serve no purpose but issue avoidance...

no contact with OP is not a punishment...it is not telling the WS what they can or can not do...
It is limit setting in your world...deciding for YOU what YOU will tolerate or not...not what they will or will not tolerate...

The WS perception of it being a punishment or LB is just to bad....
One would not be expected to tolerate other things that are really intolerable..
this is no different...

The WS always is free to choose...but choices have consequances....that reality and life...

Boundaries is a huge part of plan a...even if and when the wayward spouse wants to wail and cry unfair...
not much of a wayward spouses actions were fair either...
and life is rarely fair...

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oz and ark, thanks for your well thought out replies. This helps me get a better footing. My anger is overwhelming sometimes cause I get this movement of okay she did something to hurt me and now she continues and it brings me to a boiling point and you guys are certainly right. Uncreative and unresolving conversation is all it becomes when anger rears its ugly head in the wrong manner. Sometimes feelings and anger come on so fast that it's hard to deal with when your in a small time frame period of talking with spouse. All in all though I totally got what you guys said - I just gotta figure out how to bottle the adrinaline rush of anger and redirect it into positive means of commuication.

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also - I forgot to answer your question oz - OM does not have a wife - he's a divorced looser that can't even get a girl friend and is 16 years older than my wife (cool I unloaded a angry outburst online instead of in front of wife!).

<small>[ May 15, 2003, 03:40 PM: Message edited by: promiseherthemoon ]</small>


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