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It's easy to know how many days since I've last talked to WH - he left to live w/OW New Year's Eve. Many, many thoughts going through my head today, perhaps you guys can help me sort them out?

Here's what happened last night. Phone rings just before 9 pm. Caller ID shows WH's work #. I don't think he's called me this year, I'm thinking he wants to talk DV, my heart is pounding, do I want to do this? No, so I don't answer. I checked my messages, lo and behold he left one! Says he wants to talk to me and that he'll keep calling until he gets me. No hint as to what he wants to talk about.

I took a chance, heart still pounding, called the # immediately, he answered. Actually sounded glad to hear my voice, and I his. He asked me how I was, it took me a few seconds to answer I'm OK, how are you? He said he'd like to talk to me in person. I asked about what, he said about the possibility, if any, of a future for us. I immediately relaxed, realizing that I am in control of this conversation. I asked him if he had ended his A. He said if you mean the situation I've been in, no. I said we had nothing to discuss until the A was over. Told him I would not be a part of a triangle ever again. I told him to read the PBL I sent him, I still meant every word I said in it after all this time. (Thanks Mortarman, your posts helped me to "keep on message".) I told WH to call me when he was ready, said goodbye and we hung up. Short convo, very calm.

OK, I'm skeptical. Between D-day (7/02) and Christmas, WH had a habit of spending time/nights w/OW, telling me it was over with us, then calling the next day to ask if he could still come home. I'd allow him to come back, and a few days later he would start pining for OW again, repeating the cycle. This happened 8 times. My first thought is that he's testing the waters again, just like he did before.

Why now? What's happened in WH's life to prompt him to contact me? Of course I don't really know, but here are my thoughts.

1. Since late June I have cut off all communication with MIL except for meaningless emails about gardening, work, etc. No talk of WH, no info on what I'm planning with my life. MIL was a huge source of info btwn WH and myself, I cut it off for my sanity, but WH might miss the news, too.

2. Also late June, our son, 25, told WH that son would no longer be a part of his father's life. Cut him off completely. This was in response to WH bringing OW to a family gathering without telling our D, 23, that OW would be there. NOT acceptable. Same incident that caused me to stop talking to MIL and SIL. Maybe WH realizes that his children are not going to accept OW, or his behavior. WH loves his children, maybe he misses them.

3. The magic 6 months of drug induced euphoria in romantic love may be replaced by reality. Like Mimi's husband who realized that OW is "just like any other woman". Duh.

4. WH is having a mid-life crisis. Maybe it's over. It started when his father died 2 years ago. How long do these things typically last?

5. I haven't broadcasted the A to friends/his co-workers, but I have told every one of them that ask the truth. Maybe a critical mass has been achieved and he can't hide it any more.

6. This week in the mail WH got an insurance statement from his IC. I peeked through the envelope window, the treatment date was 7/22/03. So he's back in IC. I'm not sure this is a great thing. Last summer/fall the IC actually encouraged WH to "explore his options" with OW! Can "validation" go too far?

I'm not all giddy about WH wanting to talk reconciliation. I would have been last winter. I credit my coolness to Plan B. Recently I've been 80-90% ready to Dv if WH really pushed for one. I'm OK. Some big hurdles to jump coming up, especially regarding my 120-yr-old house, but I've gotten this far and I'm willing to keep going. Not even sure he'll call back again. Maybe he and OW had a fight! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> We'll see. Any thoughts/suggestions?

Lablady

Me BS 48
WH 48
M 25 yrs
S 25, D 23
OW 45, widow, co-worker.
WH had 2 A's 15 yrs ago
This D-day 7/02
Summer,fall WH waffles btwn me and OW
WH moves in w/MIL 10/02
WH moves back home "for the holidays"
WH moves in w/OW New Year's Eve
Plan B letter sent 2/03
Very minimal contact
8/9/03 WH calls, wants to talk about reconciliation
I'm skeptical, but I'll listen if he ends the A

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<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> wow lablady I can't believe you heard from him after all this time!

Gives me hope and fear all at the same time, if you know what I mean.

I am by no means an expert here, but I think it is a positive step. And at least he was honest about his affair not being over when you asked.

Could be he is just testing the waters to see if he did let her go would there still be a chance with you after all this time. I think you let him know that there could be but that you had no desire to discuss it until he had ended all contact with OW.

I don't know you and I know very little of your story but I have to say I am very impressed and hope you are proud of yourself for being so strong when you talked to him. I hope if I am ever given the opportunity I will have the courage to handle the situation as you did.

I have no advice because it sounds like you have your head and your heart right where they need to be. Good Luck and I pray that the final outcome is exactly what you decide you want it to be. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

<small>[ August 10, 2003, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: One_Day_At_A_Time ]</small>

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Hi One Day, thanks for posting. I tried to retrieve some of your posts, but all of them were replies to others', so I don't know your story, either. Can you tell a little about yourself?

My story is very similar to many others on this board. I haven't had to deal with verbal abuse like some others, though. The parts of my marriage that are perhaps a little different are WH's previous affairs, his childhood sexual abuse, and my purposely changing from co-dependent to non-co-dependent behavior in the past few years.

I'll explain. Nov. 1990 WH came to me and confessed that he had had a PA with a married co-worker several years previous. He referred to this OW as a "slut". Go figure. Then he proceeded to tell me that the reason he was telling me this is that he had fallen in love with another married co-worker, had confessed his love for her that very night, and she had been disgusted with him. He was afraid that he would be losing his "best friend" and turned to me for consolation. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

After a couple of days in shock, I went into anger mode. No MB back then. He was remorseful, begged me not to leave. After thinking about it for several months I told him that I would stay with him but would have to alter my perception of him. Our main problem, as far as he was concerned, was infrequent SF. I told him that since he had had an affair, and since he had pressured/threatened to leave me regarding SF in the past, he had a problem in that area. I made it clear to him that his opinion about sex was messed up and I wouldn't listen to him about it any more. I know, I'm gonna get the 2x4.

We went on for years, some good times some bad times, but every once in awhile something he would do would trigger my distrust of him. I was afraid that if he was capable of making the huge mistake of having an A, he was capable of making mistakes in other areas of our lives. I wasn't wrong. He lied to me about other things, classic conflict avoider. During those years he was still working w/OW#2, and I guess he had an ongoing EA for 8 or 9 years! I asked him every once in awhile how he could get from "I know it's wrong" to "but I'm gonna do it anyway" regarding the A. I never got a good answer.

Several years after confessing his A's, WH told me that he had been sexually abused by an uncle for 5 years, from the time he was 5 til he was 10. He had never told anyone about this. I of course felt terrible for him. I listened as best I could, but I'm not a trained therapist, so I suggested that he see an IC. He refused, said he had "dealt with it". Since then I've learned that men who were sexually abused have lots of issues, especially control issues. Gradually I came to see WH's sexual behavior with me as related to his first sexual experiences with his uncle. Not a pretty sight.

My WH is "moody". He's a very emotional man. He cries more than I do. Throughout our lives together he has had bouts with depression. I didn't know it then, but I do now. He developed digestive problems, headaches, backaches, footaches, a**aches, everything aches. Again, classic depression symptoms. He had a complete, 9-month workup for his digestive problems, and his Dr. finally said, there's nothing physically wrong with you, would you consider taking Anti-D medication? Answer, NO.

By this time, our kids were teenagers. I spent countless hours with them, talking to them about their choices, friends, more time than when they were infants. Taking care of the kids was Job 1. WH was often quiet, sleeping, sullen. I had listened, coddled, made suggestions for improvements at his job, home, life, etc. for years. Nothing had worked. So I stopped. Told him he was responsible for his own happines. I truly believe this, and I live my own life that way. He didn't like it, though, his co-dependent rescuer (me) had left him (the victim) to fend for himself. We grew more distant.

Fast-forward to 2001. July WH's father died, a painful death from stomach cancer. Father had cheated on MIL for 20 yrs until she Dv'd him. He was remarried to a witch who threw him out when he was sick and didn't even come to his funeral. For some reason, neither FIL's kids or MIL ever blamed FIL for the breakup of the family. He was revered as a war hero and business man. Maybe I'm missing something, but what FIL did to his family was wrong.

Father's death sent WH into a tailspin. He started smoking. He was critical about everything in our lives. He graduated from college in 2002 but was cynical about his chance to find a job he liked. Our kids were leaving us with an empty nest. Even the old dog died. WH developed diverticulitis and decided to have the lower portion of his intestine removed June 2002. While recovering at home from the surgery WH told me that he wanted to leave me. Red flags went up, as I know this man, he doesn't want to be alone. Before long I figured out who he was in love with, another co-worker.

The rest is history. I'm not so quick to take lots of the responsibility for the state of my marriage. I'm willing to listen, but I think my WH has lots of big issues he hasn't dealt with.

OK, this is WAY too long, thanks for reading. I'll check back later.

Lablady

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Sorry I left the last post so quickly, I was at work and had to leave. Thankfully I have a very flexible job.

I've thought more about WH's phone call last night. I don't know if I want my M back, I'll have to see what WH has to say, if he ever calls back again. Last night, before I fell asleep, I thought that I'd be satisfied if WH broke it off with OW. Nothing more. Then at least our kids would be able to reconnect with their father. It's like Star Wars, the A has been a disturbance in The Force. If WH stops his unethical behavior w/OW then at least we can see each other at weddings, christenings, etc. without animosity.

Lablady


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