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Okay I'm screwing up here big time.,..(thank you ahead of time for listening..I know this is LONG)

It has been 7 weeks since my H & I officially split up. The newfound info regarding his serial cheating (after just finding out about what I believed to be is only A back 5/24/03 & working on recovery alone for 4 months..) was enough to make me feel that I'm better off without him.

We've been together for 7 years, 6 of which we have been M'ed. The entire time we've been together he's been secretly having A's. His bragging mouth finally unfolded the truth, & I had to find out from everyone but him.

He moved out the home (unwillingly) and found a apartment a block away from our family. We share two beautiful d's together (4, and 2) & he wanted to be close to them (since he is a**ed out without a car & has to walk everywhere).
He faithfully comes and sees them everyday sometimes preparing dinner before I even get home from work & daycare. His gestures are nice & I appreciate him looking out for us but I'm beginning to think he's not doing certain things for the girls & instead attempting to plot his way back into my life again.

Lately we have been hanging around mutual friends of ours & have spent a few nights alone talking about things. He has admitted to not being a good H & not being able to fully guarantee he won't step outside of our M again.

He is believed to have a undiagnosed Borderline Personality Disorder & gets very depressed for no apparent reason most of the time. He isn't working & isn't looking either (back injury causes limitations) & he has an inability to hold down any position for more then 6 mo's if that!
He refuses to meet with our Pastor (for dinner some night) & bring himself to Jesus. He is not a Christian although our children & I are & want to live a proper life.
He does not have faith in himself let alone anything else. (emotionally damaging & abusive childhood--thrown around various foster homes until he ended up in an orphanage for 2 years)

So, I guess because I'm the one who loves to feel needed & he's the one that wants someone he can need I have yet again been sucked into this emotional rollercoaster or should I say...turmoil of having to sort out my priorities & expectations & emotions for myself & our children.

Let me explain further. Saturday he comes over to see the girls looking like he was on the verge of crying. I asked him what was wrong & he told me he had been sitting in his apartment for over an hour trying to gain the strength to come over & see the girls.

He said that he heard a song that reminded him of me & that he missed me terribly. I tried to reassure him that even though we miss each other, its the familiar that leaves us lonely & holding on. That someday in the future the time will heal the pain & we'll get used to just seeing each other as 2 people that once were together in a way that we no longer can be, but can still share this family that we have made that still gives us the satisfaction of knowing we are not messing it up for our D's. (both experienced emotionally wrecking childhoods <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> )

He then started to explain that he doesn't have the urge to go out and be with others like he did while we were together & that he felt awful for admitting that while he had his life together he could compromise something that made him feel complete. And now, that he an only think of how he screwed up rather then thinking of ways to pick himself up and find purpose in life again.

(I know he really really needs IC! He's just afraid b/c some of them in the past have threaten to say something to child services about our violent fights) We both need to see IC's. I'm not suggesting MC until I know he can help himself & be right for him. I don't need him using any other excuses to pull out of his damaged mind and heart.

I admit I feel for him. I really miss him. I'm angry with myself for allowing myself to feel pity for him. He made his bed & now I should allow him to lay in it..& with whom he pleases b/c it's not my problem anymore...BUT it is much easier said then done when the anger starts to lift a little day by day..& I allow him to fulfill a portion of my En's. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
We have been intimate on 2 separate occasions since we've split up. The other night he stayed the night and slept the bed with me. I didn't know how to feel about that. I guess I just wanted to be held. I just wanted relief from the pain & to feel secure.
I tossed and turned all night awaking to him holding me tight & kissing my forehead. He was wide awake at 4:30 in the morning just staring at me.
I'm kicking myself soooo hard right now. I want to cry just talking about it.

I thought I could fulfill my need(s) & still stay strong holding this portion of myself away from him, but I'm realizing that the more time we are around each other without it being strictly for the kids...it becomes harder and harder for me.

I don't want to hurt him b/c he did ask to sleep in the bed with me...I initiated intimacy & agreed not to make it more then a moment & not change all that I've attempted to build up within myself emotionally. But, I can talk the talk & now I'm hurting again.

It is sooo unfair. I have to do something. I feel like I've let him go..& then apart of me feels like I'm holding on. I'm not willing to wait around for years with just mere hopes he'll come around & get rid of all his emotional baggage(while I work on mine). I have supported him and played the security role a H is supposed to provide & for too many years.

I want someone to care for me for a change. I don't want to have to feel so relied on anymore. But like I said I am the "Needed" & he's the "Needer" so it is hard to break old patterns. Especially while you still have sooo much love for em'.

Any advise anyone. I really appreciate you reading through all this. I just need some strength today. How did you get by? I plan on filing for divorce early this next year & I don't want anything to interfere with my plans. He may miss me but that is not enough to take back all that he has stripped away from me.

Come on MB, I need you today. Besides god, I feel like you are the only ones who really understand. We share each other's pain. Thank you...(sorry for rambling..) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

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Here's a book recommendation:

Stop Walking On Eggshells: Taking Your Life Back When Someone You Care About Has Boarderline Personality Disorder

Part One: Understanding BPD Behavior
Part Two: Taking Back Control Of Your Life
Part Three: Resolving Special Issues

Good luck .... even if he is not officially diagnosed, the book might help you learn ways to protect yourself from damaging weird defensive behaviors of his.

Pep <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

PS the authors are: Paul T. Mason .... and Randi Kreger

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thanks Pep <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

I have been reading around BPDcentral.com is a nice site & they have suggested that book too.

In the meantime if only I could get my head straight & stop feeling so damn responsible for everything! I don't know, it's hard to explain in guess.

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((((BUMP)))) just looking for some advise, reassurance, guidance...Thanks! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

Originally posted by Finding_Clarity:

stop feeling so damn responsible for everything!

</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well, something for you to think about ....

Don't you think that someone who feels responsible "for everything" has an inaccurate view of her own power and personal boundaries?

Here's a very concrete thing for you to try, and perhaps alter your perception that you are responsible "for everything".

Make a list of the things you are actually responsible for.

When you get that feeling again, that feeling that you've let something happen that you were responsible for in some way .... look at your list of things you actually are responsible for and decide if your feeling is fact based or not.

If it is, then take responsibility.

If it is not, then isn't it completely arrogant for you to imagine yourself so powerful that you can control everything that happends?

You have a personal boundary issue. Most of us caretaker types do.

Start by deciding what is factually your responsibility.... draw your boundaries .... and practice inforcing them.

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you are right Pep, but it is so much easier said then done. I know whats right & that it's wrong for me to feel this way but I can't help but have that caring attitude.
How do you change you're entire way of thinking. I've been brought up as the oldest of 4 children in the household.
Having to be the sergant mother while my mom pulled all the hours she could to support us & our father sat on his butt disabled.
I've always had that feeling in me that if I took responsibility for things I could change them & make the ones I love happy.
Even though I know I deserve the same..I don't have anyone around me I feel is that responsible to take care of certain parts of me.
(well that is except god <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> ) I could write down what is & isn't my responsibility until I've drown in all the stress...but..i guess in a sick way...it makes me feel complete caring for someone & taking on that added pressure.

It is sickning...I know...I just don't know how to change it. That is one of the main reasons why I was blinded by his serial cheating. It is also the reason why a close friend got a way with sleeping around w/ him while I was pregnant w/ our second child.

Everyone tells me to back off at times. I've taken parental responsibilty of my 18 year old brother this last year. (He only lived w/ me 6 months before he moved out on his own..coming from a boys institution..I should have known! --hence..used..too big a heart..."sighn")
Then..I take my 16 year old brother every weekend from a group home...who just had a son..in which I make sure to call & check up on the young mother..b/c I also..(stupidly) care & feel responsible for making sure he's okay & she's not too sleep deprived on the verge of p.p. depression.

My elder father (74) is sick in the hospital & living w/ me..just moved from ALA up here to NY & has another blockage in his heart. 3rd bypass surgery. He will be staying w/ me temporary until I can find him a nice elderly building to live in easy accessable. I had him transferred up here cause I know he's ill & I want to see him live out the rest of his days around his children & grandchildren.

I'm trying here...trying to find away of thinking that will allow me to only control that that effects me & truly is my responsibility but it is sooo hard when you have so much love & you want to look after everyone. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Thats why I initially said that it is very confusing what was going on w/ being around H again. I want to care for him & be cared for but I can't allow it again...hurts too much <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

Originally posted by Finding_Clarity:
I've always had that feeling in me that if I took responsibility for things I could change them & make the ones I love happy.


</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">At an Ala-non meeting, this guy stood up and shared .... all his life's efforts to be a "people pleaser" , because that's how he had survived growing up. Then, as an adult, his life in ruins, he tried to make a list of all the actual people he had pleased.... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> short list!

One thing you said really annoyed me, and it is this: "that it is wrong for me to feel this way"....

Your feelings are your feelings ....they are neither right nor wrong.

You have developed some habitual ways of dealing with people, and if those ways are not getting you where you want, then change those things that are not working for you.

Please explain how it comes to be that control = love for you?

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">One thing you said really annoyed me, and it is this: "that it is wrong for me to feel this way"....

Your feelings are your feelings ....they are neither right nor wrong. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I feel they are wrong. Taking the responsibilty for others like this has done nothing more then run my well dry.
I've been messed around on..betrayed..used..unappreciated..unnoticed..thelist continues. And all because I allowed others to have the relief of having someone there willing to change around things in my life to take care of something(s)or someone(s) in order to help/please them & fill that need within myself to be needed.
All along look where it's gotten me. Still confused, unable to break old habits & stay strong.
To focus on ME & look out for myself for a change...drop the baggage & stop trying to be the family/friend hero.
So, the reason I say it's sickning...at the end of the day & night..there is someone who's ready to rely on me that following...& unregonized & unappreciated..I cannot allow myself to turn my back if indeed I am NEEDED. Brainwashed perhaps?
I don't know. I'm assuming someone will advise me to go to IC. Oh, well. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

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If you wish to break old well-established habits, take the time to make small significant changes one at a time. That way, the task does not seem so daunting.

What small thing about yourself are you willing to change today?

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I would loooove to be able to make more time for me.
If I could work on that today it would be awesome.
Stop feeling guilty for spending the money on a gym membership when my daughters could use something extra...stop feeling guilty for leaving them w/ a sitter so mama can get some "pep up" time.
I would really really love to be able to do that. So focused on everything and everyone around me it is impossible to break away from this pattern. Like I explained earlier I have really been involved w/ my brothers...father...WH..& even trying to make time for friends so they know I still care.
If only I could make them all aware that my well is running dry & I need something special even if that means doing it for myself. (which is the best way anyways b/c then I don't have to worry about someone thinking I'm using em..)

I don't even feel like I've had time to sort out all these emotions & I know I'm not being to coherent while writing my posts even. Busy here at work...taking moments at a time to check the site...vent...you know..gain inspiration..get myself thinking from another's perspective.

Thanks pep..you've been the only one to take the time to read through my bs and comment & try to reach out to me...I really appreciate that.

Have a nice weekend..back on Monday! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
letcha know if I was able to make that time for me.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />


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