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Hello JL, Lot's of important things you said......Yes I do know how hard it is for my husband being gone so much......and I think just recently he has felt better about going to work.....not easy trying to reassure him that all is well, especially when the OM lives in the same town......My husband is a Captain and it does explain alot of his behavior......since the affair though he has let go of a lot of his controlling behavior.....I think it's been very freeing for him......one of my worst weaknesses in the past was my lack of communication......I am working hard to try and communicate my feelings with him......I don't know what makes me any different than the OM.....I find it interesting that people look upon the OM as the evil one......what about me..was I an angel through this whole thing?????NO The Om is a regular person no better or worse than me......Sorry if I can't look upon him as a bad person.........
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Cleo,
You said </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I don't know what makes me any different than the OM.....I find it interesting that people look upon the OM as the evil one......what about me..was I an angel through this whole thing?????NO The Om is a regular person no better or worse than me......Sorry if I can't look upon him as a bad person......... </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Ah! the joys of perspective. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
He is the bad guy for your marriage. He is the bad guy for your H. He is the threat to your marriage.
If he were posting here, YOU would be the bad guy for his marriage. You would be the bad guy to his W. ANd you would be the threat to his marriage.
No you were not an angel. You, to this day, have no clue how deeply you have wounded your H, and how much your actions have hurt Om's W. But, you are part of the marriage that is under consideration here. And you are part of the marriage we are trying to save, right? So while you are no angel, you are NOT the bad guy. You don't need to leave to save this marriage your OM does.
Do you see the point?? If you read here long enough some of the most effective and helpful people on this site were WSs. So the fact that you are or were is not the point. We are coming at this from the perspective of saving and rebuilding YOUR marriage, and for that purpose OM is BAD NEWS <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />
Does this make sense? Finally, it is clear that if you left your H, and you wanted a stable good marriage, the last person I would be recommending you consider is someone who cheats in their marriage, specifically your OM. Now it may come to pass that you would indeed choose him, but the statistics are NOT in your favor. Only a small fractions of affair partners ever marry their OP and of those an even smaller fraction remain married. THe number is about 3%. THose are not good odds Cleo.
But, the point here is that you need to start to see things in a very different way. Not to hate OM, but to put him in a category marked "dangerous" and "unhealthy". Some of that is because of his influence on you, and some of it is because he doesn't hold marriage in high esteem. And you need to start holding it in high esteem.
What about you? Well, you as you say are no "angel". You and you alone had the power to deeply hurt your H, and you used it. You and you alone had the power to break his trust, his self-esteem, his belief in the goodness of people, and you have done your best. Yet, he still wants to be married to you, and you seem to want to be married to him.
Soooo, since you seek suggestions about rebuilding we offer them, just as you will hopefully offer others your advice to rebuild their marriages. It is not so much a matter to me and others who was wrong, but how to accomplish something you both apparently want: to rebuild your marriage.
You see we are trying to help your H as much as help you. We will do it via you since he is not here, so at least from me you will hear a lot about seeing your H in different ways, seeing things from his eyes. Why? you need to see his "reality" in order to bring the two of you together and rebuild a marriage that sustains you both, nutures you both, and supports you both.
Does this make any sense? I hope so.
God Bless,
JL
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cleogal I am an FOM . Am i a bad guy ??? No, everybody says i am the sweetest guy they have ever met. So easy to hang around , make them laugh , make them feel good. I am not doing all these intentionally. I am basically a good guy.
But even though i am her fourth OM who refused to have sex, I am still a bad guy to the marriage and to MW. I did things for her because i am not responsible for her household, her finances,her feelings and a lot. Just like a free fu**. We are actually troubled souls with extreamly low self esteem. To boost up things, we do all these. We really really dont care about MW s feelings. We will run away the second you ask us to marry, even if we marry we will still run away. Keep this in mind.
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by terminator: <strong> Yeah...what SHE said!! I can find absolutely no way to temper or augment anything Pep wrote because it's dead on. Everything starts and ends with you.
cleogirl, you have a golden opportunity here to learn some things about yourself that will make you loveable--by yourself and others.
I'll speak to the 'chance to say goodbye' notion and say with 90%-ish certainty that OM could not recognize or value anything you could convey to him in a goodbye anyway...assuming it really was a goodbye, and not a way to hang on in some way. You might well be better off without it. You might find out something about him that you don't want to know.
And read _Passionate_Marriage_ by David Schnarch. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
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Hello Terminator.......I know in the past our goodbyes..there were several......never was goodbye.....I know now that it is over.....I realize another meeting with him to say a "goodbye" would be a bad thing.......I guess I have to convince myself that it's ok to leave things as they are I shouldn't need a goodbye at this point......I will check in to the book you recommended...... Thanks Cleogirl........
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by cleogirl: <strong> Hello Terminator.......I know in the past our goodbyes..there were several......never was goodbye.....I know now that it is over.....I realize another meeting with him to say a "goodbye" would be a bad thing.......I guess I have to convince myself that it's ok to leave things as they are I shouldn't need a goodbye at this point......I will check in to the book you recommended...... Thanks Cleogirl........ </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hi Cleogirl, if you want to reply to someone's post with their quotes, there is an easy way to do it so you don't have to make 2 posts every time you do it. You simply click on the little quotation marks " " at the top of the post you want to respond to. It will automatically open up a new post with the quotations. You then can type your remarks just below it.
It is much easier for you and much easier for the rest of us to follow if it is in 1 post instead of 2.
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Yeah not to mention it saves plenty of server memory. (Yeah look who's talking, the guy with almost 5000 posts to his name. Oh the shame! Oh the hipocrisy! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> ).
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Thank you Numb for you input.......My husband and I are working things out.......I don't feel from him that there is any love losted.....if anything he is 10 tens more attentive to me......In some ways I feel that he has not punished me enough for what I did to him.....I don't believe to many men would have been so forgiving as he has. I guess the hardest thing right now, and my husband tells me this all the time is that I need to forgive myself.....hasn't happened yet.....Yes I do miss the OM, and I think your probably right I miss the way I felt when I was with him.....Never had thought of it that way......I did not cause the breakup of his marriage......It was underway before we got together......so I don't feel I need to deal with that guilt...... so what's with you? You sound so hopeless in a future life with your wife......do you want to stay married are you happy in that place?????? Cleogirl......
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JL, put that way you are right the OM was bad for our marriage...I totally understand that. I guess I was refering to him from a different perspective...... My husband told me yesterday that I need to forgive myself.....easier said than done.....lost a lot of self respect for myself......will take sometime to regain that.......not only hurt the husband but other family members.....not something where you say ok everythings fine now......I think it would be good for my husband to post here......I think he would like to. I know a lot of you would be good for him as well......He seems to be a quicker learning than myself. Thank you again JL Cleogirl
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dhanush, Thank you for shedding some light from the OM's perspective......yes I suppose to be that person you don't have any responsibilites. Did you have any deeper feeling for her other than a free FU#*?????You say you are a former OM, does this mean that you won't go there again? Have you ever been married?????? Thank you again Cleogirl
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To All, sorry about the posting thing......I believe I have a handle on it now......sorry Cleogirl
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To All, sorry about the posting thing......I believe I have a handle on it now......sorry Cleogirl
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