clyons,<P>Here's a little perspective from a guy who is much like the person you're describing, but I may be a slightly milder case.<P>My W and I have been married for 7 years, and for the first few years, I rarely payed enough attention to my wife's EN's. <P>The funny thing is, though, I never really meant to ignore her. She would be telling me something, and I would drift off, and I'd be unable to repeat any of what she'd been saying for the last two minutes or so. I felt stupid when she caught me daydreaming. I would also interrupt her with whatever else was occupying my mind at the time, whether that's what we were talking about or not.<P>I'm not a bad person, either, but that type of behavior frustrates my wife to no end. I can't explain why I do it, because I love her sooo much.<P>The damage done by my lack of attentiveness was cumulative, though, and over the years, my wife became less and less willing to fill my EN's, and things got pretty bad, to the point that she stated she didn't know if she would ever want to have sex with me again. That she wasn't sure if she would ever be attracted to me again. I realized that I had to hunker down and concentrate on listening. To concentrate on staying focused. To concentrate on doing nice things for her, and to concentrate on showing affection for her at times other than foreplay (what foreplay there was
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)<P>It didn't come naturally at first. It seemed like work. But after being deprived of her affection, of her need for sex, and of her attention to my needs, any little bit of affection from her is like rain in the desert. I'm willing to work for it. And lately, it has been feeling more and more natural to show affection.<P>I still drift off now and then, but it's rare enough that she laughs it off. She waves her hand in front of my glazed stare, or slaps me if she's feeling saucy, and it's practically comedic to both of us.<P>Tell him about these pages. I hope he's interested in making things work in the long haul. And the concepts in these pages are pretty easy to follow.<P>My wife didn't want any part of following some online site's concepts, so I had to practice them by myself, but it worked.<P>See what he says about the Love Bank, EN's and LB's. And tell him, without being threatening, that all of the woes in these forums are happening because one or both spouses aren't doing their part, whether it's intentional or not. Usually it's not. Certainly in my case, it wasn't. I just didn't realize how important certain EN's were to her.<P>Ok, that's enough already.<P>stable guy