Heavenly Father, we come to You seeking guidance and direction. Father, we want to know your will, Your ways, and no other. Holy Spirit, place in our hearts the wisdom and the knowledge to discern what You would have us to know. That we may grow in our knowledge of You, in our understanding of You, in our love and adoration of You. Father, help us to fellowship as we discuss, and that through this thread, Your glory, and Your mercy would be revealed, and received. Let this thread be a witness to all who read it. Father, I ask that You would bless us as we seek Your truth. In Jesus name. Amen

Amen.

sg,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">There was a reason why it was just the two of us the other nite.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">OK so; did the reason come before or after you to got there?

God had the reason before you got there, you just figured it out after the fact. Sorry I have a little farm boy type stallion in me too. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

So does that open up our discussion or what?

I'll get on when I can. I'll try not to let any discussion get to far before I get tto put in my two mites worth.

Bless you, take care and stay Pono (rightous).

S&C

<small>[ November 08, 2003, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: steadfast and committed ]</small>

Amen to that

S&C,
I fully understand now How you are explaining things. I can see where you are coming from. Like the REASON that I'm right!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> OK, just joking!!! Actually reasons and choices exist side by side. God took the choices that LoveN and I had made in the past and intervened with the verse in Romans to make all things work together for good. Our choices turned into HIS reason!!!! The bible also says He already knows who will be saved, but still lets us CHOOSE our own salvation. If he made it happen , then there would be no free will. Yes, He is like the shepard, who leads and guides us with certain events[ like LoveN and I talking], but He still gave us the CHOICE to call. By the way she was late....by choice!!!!

I set before you life and death.. CHOOSE life. I rest my case Mr Stallion!!!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

God Bless you richly S&C

singleguy

PS: Please still pray for my marriage.

<small>[ November 08, 2003, 12:36 PM: Message edited by: singleguy ]</small>

Hello Single and S&C,

Hey not fair talking behing my back! LOL! I was late because it was my choice yes! I had to make a cup of coco!
God gives us choice right? I figured everyone was in there and talking I did not know Single was by himself! I thought TTSMM put in our shedual that 10 was attending.
Hope I am forgiven.
I do wish more would come in as it is a very good book and it has made a big change in the way I feel already.
I do think God has a way about putting people in our lives at just the right time. I am not smart or an angel by God's law! I am only human, but have seen many things - gifts - since I started here on MB. More now with this wonderful book!
I never was the one to tell anyone to do this or that, but the words just fell out of mouth Wed. I still feel God is not done with you and he wants you to figure it out!
Do you not believe that he could have restored your marriage? It maybe many years. If your W told you she still loved you then she never stopped. She is blinded by the enemy and confused. Your talk with God enabled her to carry on the way she is. God causes turmoil in their hearts which turns them back. I am not trying to tell you what to do, but maybe reconsider all that has happened. Lots of people have traggedy in their lives - I did. I still think God calls us home when our job is done here and this has helped me through those tough times. I lost a brother through suicide and my 2nd husband was there with him when it happened. He was interrogated three times. I did not blame anyone. My brother did not want to live as his wife ran on him. Then I think was it just his time? Just a little added insight here. The baby was her choice not yours even with a comment. she could find it now if she tried. I have a niece that found me a few years ago. God works for us if we let him. We just have to trust him.
This thread is a great one and yes I hope through this he will speak to us.

God Please help us all. We are only human and trying to find our way back to you. Amen

LoveN,
I am ging to do something out of respect for you, and God, and the people on this forum who are asking God for a miracle, and my ex wife, and me, because I believe God is using you for my sake. Would you please post a prayer for me, and ask God to clearly show me what to do. You can take your time before you post it. Get that cup of coco. Write it and rewrite it until you feel it is the true words of the living God spoken thru you. I ask that your words would be prophetic for the salvation of our marriage, if that is what God truly wants. I will assume that it is. Let it speak to her and I thru the Holy Spirit. I also give anyone permission to add to it, once you have posted the initial prayer.

Although I have been picking on S&C, I have great respect for him, and what he has accomplished, and how he has stood for what he believes by faith and has seen the victory of God. May God bless him even more. I only pick on people I like!!!

singleguy

<small>[ November 09, 2003, 08:48 AM: Message edited by: singleguy ]</small>

Lord God, I ask that You would speak in a very special way to everyone who comes to this thread. Lord, give them Your wisdom to do what YOU would want them to do. Lead them to Your green pastures, and to the spring of living water, that all might be saved. In Jesus name. Amen

sg,

Well I guess if you're resting your case, we'll have to look for a new topic of discussion. But not before I submit a final retort.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">God took the choices that LoveN and I had made in the past and intervened with the verse in Romans to make all things work together for good. Our choices turned into HIS reason!!!! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Could it be that God had a reason for just the two of you to talk that night and he kept lupo and TTSMM out of the conversation? Since God existed before us and has had a plan for us since the begining, his reason for getting the two of you togather to talk that night would have already existed (before you could have made your choice).

I think it's time for me to rest my case and and say something to tease you. lol <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> But just instead, I'll pray for you that God will continue to encourage you, teach you, heal you and guide you with His gentle but mighty hand.

LNC,

I promise we won't talk behind your back. Besides can you just picture sg on the phone by himself; (If it were me this is what I'd be doing.) "helllooooo..... anybody there?" "Ok, I'm going to count to three, and if no one answers I'm going to hang up..... OK! O n e ...., t w o ..., t w o a n d a h a l f, t h r rrrr... awww come on you guys." JUST KIDDING singleguy. LOL. Sorry I couldn't resist the tease. I only tease the ones I like.

Any way gotta get to work. Ya'll be good and be blessed today.

Love in Christ.

S&C <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

<small>[ November 10, 2003, 11:25 AM: Message edited by: steadfast and committed ]</small>

S&C,
God bless you brother. I did post a comment to the girls wed nite when no one else called in. It is on the thread somewhere. Today I am in a very torn state. There is terrible strife in my church, and it is being torn apart. Everyone is at each other's throat about foolish issues, and we are having people quit in a huff. It is sad. Would you please pray for God to reveal the problem and the person. Someone is playing Pied Piper here, and needs to be stopped. Please God, reveal and deal with this person quickly. In Jesus name. Amen

I have great respect for what you say, and I can see your point very easily. God said He knew every move we would make before we were born. But He still has to let us chose it on our own. Does that make sense? You are a great guy S&C. I praise God for you.

God Bless
singleguy

sg,

I really wasn't going to look back in here today, but I thought I'd just take a peek.

I'm sorry to hear about your church. I've been through it a couple of times. Satan has a field day with these. But keep in mind that verse in Romans ok?

The important thing in all of this is that you keep your walk with God intimate. Eveyone involved with the bickering will have to answer to God. The last time I experienced a divided church I told them all that they were given a chance to experience Christ and to and to portray Christ, but they weren't doing that so my family and I left both groups.

Father, give supernatural wisdom and humility to those that are responsible for the strife and the flock. Give those in the middle of it all strength to weather it out and to bring them closer to you. May calm heads prevail. Bind the enemy and scatter them in seven directions. Let your Holy Spirit envelope your church body and bringthem together and aline them to your will. In Jesus name. Amen.

Remember the enemy uses lots of smoke and mirrors to keep us from focusing on what's important. Bless you sg and stand strong.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">But He still has to let us chose it on our own. Does that make sense? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes you are right. It's a hard thing to comprehend, us having free will and God already knowing in advance the choices we will make. But to me it seems like the only way for things to work. It's like he lines things up. sg is going to be in on the call and so is LNC, so I need to start these two thigns in motion three days ahead of time to keep lupo and TTSMM off the line so LNC can tell sg this stuff.

Kind of boggles the mind huh?

So what's God teaching you during this time with your church? Learn well, you may need it later. Or what has God taught you that may help in this situation?


S&C

<small>[ November 10, 2003, 12:30 PM: Message edited by: steadfast and committed ]</small>

S&C,
Thank you for the prayer brother. God had an excellent REASON to put us together. It was HIS CHOICE, eh!!!!! Your question has really come at a perfect time. I have struggled with being strong in the midst of a storm. I try to please everyone [ yeah, right!!!], and then get confused about what I stand for. No more!!! I ask God for His strength to STAND on HIS word and to do HIS will, not man's. John Hagee says that if we have " one ounce of Jesus in us, we will do the right thing ". Amen

God Bless You
singleguy

PS: Hey LNC, I have been waiting for that annointed prayer. My son and I are asking God to open a door for her to move out, and not live together with the other man, and to open a door for her and I to talk. May my ex have her coco ready before the call!!!! In Jesus name. Amen

Hello Singleguy and Steadfastandcommitted,
I just finished reading all your trials and tribulations and prayers. Wonderful, Praise God!

I think S&C if Lupolady and TTSMM are joined with us that God may speak through them also. Both say wonderful things regarding God and the Holy Spirit and our walk with God. Thank you for your kind kidding as it puts me at ease!

I am going to start this off with who I am, just felt it was needed!

Hello Singleguy and all others waiting for the voice or acts of God for the restoration of your marriages.
I am nothing more than a peasant type women whom turned her back to our Lord God many years ago. As a child through my teens I had God in my life and lived for him.
Since my WS left, and me having a suicidal attempt, I gave my life back to God and vowed never to leave his side again. Many gifts from God continue daily in my life now.
I am sent people, words, faith, a wonderful book to help me keep my faith and above all peace. These gifts are from our Almighty God whom loves us enough to show me how to help more discouraged and hurting brothers and sisters.
When I started this prayer I did not want to do it lastnight as I was tired and it was late, but NO, the words flooded my mind and I could not rest until the words were down on paper! My hands were cold and my heart raced with my mind, but when I finished peace came over me!
I pray to God that this prayer is received and the miracles begin for Singleguy, Lupolady, TTSMM, S&C, and all other standers on this wonderful site.
Please turn your lives completely over to God, Live His Word, Stand Firm and wait for your Gifts.

To The Father, Son and Holy Spirit we call you for our Blessings. Amen

God Bless You All

Let Us Pray,

Almighty God, Father of the Heavens and Earth and all Mankind, I come to you tonight from the depths of my heart & sole to ask for my Brothers and Sisters here at Marriage Builders to receive your gift of miracles for the restoration of their marriages. Also give unto us the increase of faith and hope you promise us. Dear Lord God please help to diminish the hurts, anguish, doubts, fear, financial worry's so we may walk closer to you in our spiritual fights for our spouses salvation. Please remove all the sin the evil one is causing each and everyone of us.
Almighty God there is one Brother Singleguy, who believes you Dear God, sent me to him, because you did not finish your work with him and his exwife. I pray to you O Lord God that you speak to my Brother clearly as you have done for many others and through me to deliver your words. Let him know your will for his life and also your will for all others. I pray to you Almighty God please send the Holy Spirit to soften and change Singleguy's exwife's heart and all wayward spouses, please ask him to speak to all of us. Dear God you sent your only Son, Jesus Christ to die on the Cross for the forgivness of all of our sins, please remove the evil one from our paths so we can live and walk in your Glory. We take this time to give Thanks to you Almighty God for the many marriages already restored. Your Word Holy Father is what we live for: Ask and it will be given. Please Dear God hear my prayer and bestow upon us your miracles. Guide us with your loving direction and heal our broken hearts and marriages. We offer this prayer to you God as a sacrfice for our sinning spouses.

Through Jesus Christ our Lord who lives and Reigns with You and The Holy Spirit, One God, For Ever And Ever. Amen

Thank you Dear Almighty God for your direction in completing this Prayer.
I also want to Thank you for my prayers of delivering this Prayer to the site as you know I had an awful time with many minutes of it being sent. I know it was satan whom tried his hardest to stop this. I just had to let you know God that you won once again!

In the name of our Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen

LNC,
Now I know why God did what he did in having me ask for YOUR prayer. The proof is the tears running down my cheeks, and the sweet peace I feel in my heart. May God reward you richly and shower His love down upon you. You just get better everyday, and if I were there personaly, I would give you a big hug!!!!!

God Bless LNC
singleguy

Hello Singleguy,
Thankyou for your prayer and hug - it was heart felt! Do not thank me though, give thanks to God. I felt his presence while writting his words that would not stop. I am still shook from all of them. Satan had a good fight with me lastnight and today - distractions, tried making me write wrong words (see how I spelled soul), and last but not least he did not want that prayer or my Day 13 going up tonight! I thought I had lost all of this, but God intervened with a prayer and he won!
I have another story to tell you soon. Do you know how to put a picture in this post? I think it is time I told about an incident in my life when I was in my late 20's. I feel God wants me to reveal this now. Maybe it is to give hope to others that hurt so, or ones that half believe in him. I do not know the reason, but it came to me while I was cooking tonight. It is shocking how things come to us at times.

God Bless your walk with our Father and may he show you his way.
To the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Amen

Heavenly Father, I thank You so much for my precious sister LNC. Father, You had Your loving hands around her even when she strayed. You went after her and brought her back from sin because You loved her unconditionally. And then You cleansed her completely when she asked for forgiveness. Who can understand Your wonderful mercies. Lord, in the name of Jesus, I bind the works of the devil off of my sister. I lose all the powers of heaven to come to her aid, that she would be lifted up and not be defeated. Father, I ask that You would give her the peace about what she wants to reveal, and that You would give her the OK when the time is right. I ask that she would be honored, and not judged for being obedient to You in doing this. I ask that you would give her Your perfect peace today, Your joy, Your assurance that she was bought with a price, and that no one can ever take her from you. Father,I would ask that You would speak words of comfort to her today. Tell her how precious she is to You, and that she was delicately designed for Your glory. That she is a special creation, fashioned by the creator of the universe himself. That there is no other like her. Father, bless my sister in Your very special way today, the blessing You know she is seeking. Lay Your healing hands upon her. I give You the praise, and the glory. In Jesus name we pray. Amen

God Bless LNC
singleguy

All,
Some very powerful prayers going on here.

Hey sg, I guess you don't like me because you don't poke fun at me <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I am afraid to take this thread back to the original topic because the words that have been spoken in prayer are so powerful.

God's grace and Mercy be bestowed upon you,
TTSMM

TTSMM,

I think the world of you. How could a man pick on the person God has chosen to lead him. That would be shooting myself in the foot. May I wash your feet, brother???????

God bless my brother TTSMM. Give him joy beyond all understanding. Give him perfect peace in this storm he is going thru. In Jesus name. Amen

singleguy

TTSMM,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I am afraid to take this thread back to the original topic because the words that have been spoken in prayer are so powerful.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The only original topic is God's truths. So anything can be discussed as long as it is in God's love and purpose.

So feel free to bring it back to whatever topic you want. Even add a new one if you want. We can talk about anything. God is big enough to handle any of our topics it won't change His truths one bit.

Bless you all. Have a great day and thank a Veteran.

Love in Christ.

S&C

Footprints

One night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the Lord. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene he noticed two sets of
footprints in the sand. One belonged to him and the other to the Lord.
When the last scenes of his life flashed before him, he looked back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that many times along the walk of his life there were only one set of footprints. He then noticed that it happened at the very hardest and saddest times in his life. This really bothered him and he questioned the Lord about it, "Lord, you said that once I decided to follow you, you'd walk with me all the way. But I have noticed that during the most troublesome times of my life there is only one set of footprints. I don't understand, why, when I needed you the most you would leave me?"
The Lord replied "My precious, precious child. I love you and I would never leave you.
During your pain and suffering when you only saw one set of footprints, it was then that I carried you."

Author unknown

Thought I would share this with you and anyone in need! God Bless you all in your fight
with the evil one!


A Standers Affirmation

I AM STANDING FOR THE HEALING OF MY MARRIAGE!... I will
not give up, give in, give out or give over 'til that healing takes
place. I made a vow, I said the words, I gave the pledge, I
gave a ring, I took a ring, I gave myself, I trusted GOD, and
said the words, and meant the words... in sickness and in
health, in sorrow and in joy, for better or for worse, for richer
or for poorer, in good times and in bad...so I am standing NOW,
and will not sit down, let down, slow down, calm down, fall
down, look down or be down 'til the breakdown is torn down!

I refuse to put my eyes on outward circumstances, or listen to
prophets of doom, or buy into what is trendy, worldy, popular,
convenient, easy, quick, thrifty, or advantageous... nor will I
settle for a cheap imitation of God's real thing, nor will I seek to
lower God's standard, twist God's will, rewrite God's word,
violate God's covenant, or accept what God hates, namely
divorce!

In a world of filth, I will stay pure; surrounded by lies I will
speak the truth; where hopelessness abounds, I will hope in
God: where revenge is easier, I will bless instead of curse; and
where the odds are stacked against me, I will trust in God's
faithfulness.

I am a STANDER, and I will not acquiesce, compromise, quarrel
or quit.. I have made the choice, set my face, entered the
race, believed the Word, and trusted God for all the outcome.

I will allow neither the reaction of my spouse, nor the urging of
my friends, nor the advice of my loved ones, nor economic
hardship, nor the prompting of the devil to make me let up, slow
up, blow up, or give up 'til my marriage is healed.

SG:
I wanted to pray for you and your ex today too..
Lord I lift up my brother SG and his situation with his ex.
Lord, I know that You are able to do all things.
I have seen Your restoration in time in my life when I thought it was all hopeless. Lord You are able. There is NOTHING too hard for YOU, Lord. If You speak the word, it shall be done.

God we ask today for your perfect will. Your will God, not our own.

You see all things. You know all things, and You ask that we just be willing to do your will. Father give SG a willing heart to do whatever
it is you are asking of him.

If the road leads back to his ex, we give You all the glory and all the praise
and we thank You for You are a mighty God. If you the road doesn't lead
back to a restored marriage, we still give you all the glory and we are thankful because
you will still cause a restoration between them, in heart.
Father, I ask for a perfect peace for my brother today. Let him know that
"peace that passes all understanding". Help him to know that you do all things
well. Encourage him today to trust you. Trust you with his future, and more
importantly, his past. Let him know today that you are not only the God of today
and the future, but you are God that was there, and saw all that happened in
his past. You know all and You are able to bring peace to even THAT situation. We speak total peace and restoration to that part of SG and his ex's life.
Thank you Father for restoration, whatever form it takes. We only want Your
perfect will for our brother today and we thank you and praise you that whatever
that is, it will be good. Thank you for restoration of heart. In Jesus name.
*smile*
Diamonzzz

LoveNCare? You asked about posting a pix on MB? You can go to a thread on
emotional needs board, do a search for "let's See you" and post it there. Many
Mb'ers have their pix there. (I had hubby and I's there but removed it recently)
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Diamonzzz,

Thank you, that was very nice of you to do that. It is nice that you came here. This is a good place. These are the people I am going to spend a loooooooooong time with, so they better get used to me!!!! How are you doing? I knew God was watching over you. I didn't come back to your thread. I felt it best to give you some time, plus I don't belong there. I am glad you always come to find me. It's interesting, today I thought about so many things, the ex, the other girl that I prayed so many prayers over, my father. I above all else had peace, not giving in, just God's peace. Sometimes there is conflict, but when we are in God's will , He makes even our enemies be at peace with us. I am there. How is your marriage doing? I hope you get everything worked out. I want you to know I will still debate right along beside you, what ever it takes. We stood for what was right and we can do it again if neccessary.
Think about becoming a part of our group. We talk one night a week and really have some good discussions. Trying has a great idea about all of us getting on and saying a prayer etc, for just a few minutes. It's posted above. It's neat to know people genuinely care about you, and in a healthy way, a Godly way. Tell me how you are REALLY doing, and soon I will post a prayer for you. Fair enough????

God Bless ZZZ
singleguy

PS: So what does a Canadian woman look like?

<small>[ November 12, 2003, 09:01 PM: Message edited by: singleguy ]</small>

Hello Diamonzz,
I want to take this time to thank you for posting that nice prayer for our brother Singleguy! He sure needs lots of them <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> ! Just kidding he is just like the rest of us here, all looking for the grace of God to shine on us. Somedays are good and other ones well you know arn't to good.
Thank you also for the directions to the let's see you thread. I went there along time ago actually forgot about it. I wanted to put a picture on one of these posts, it is an object with a story of how miracles do happen.
Maybe it is an idea to put our pictures up on that thread and then everyone would know whom they are talking to. No, now no funny stuff! God is watching!

Thanks again
God Bless you

You are welcome LoveNcare and SG.
I come and check out this board from time to time but I really like the emotional needs board <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
Everybody has their little "niche" I guess.

SG... H and I are doing very well.
We are taking the Alpha Marriage program at the new church we just started attending (just moved about 2 months ago to a new city).
H is attending Thursday night prayer meetings. They do some serious prayer and seeking God and get down to business for the men.
He is also attending Anger Management Classes and IC.
God has been doing so much in our lives lately. I would say that we hit rock bottom in our marriage and now we are beginning to see the healing.
God had to take down the faulty foundations and replace them with HIS work.

The truth is, we ALMOST separated and ended the marriage but neither of us could do it. I really love him and I believe that God brought him to me. I have the coolest testimony but I am not really wanting to share it here on this open forum. Suffice to say, I believe God brought us together for a purpose, so I look to Him to fix us. He is faithful when we are faithless. Thank God!!
We have been learning so much lately. Or I guess the better way to say it is, "relearning" stuff we already knew .... basic stuff, really, but stuff that is essential. "Cleaving and leaving" properly. Stuff like that. It has all been good.

If you guys do a "search" look under emotional needs board and the thread's name is "Let's see you" you can find H and I's pix.

Anyway, nice to pray for you SG. I have felt bad over the last exchange we had and wanted to make sure you knew I was ok with you. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

The net is a place where you can misunderstand so much of what is said ......

Anyway, thanks for the invite guys, but I really have too many irons in the fire so to speak to take on anything more.

I'll check back from time to time and say hello ..

Post your pix guys so I can see y'all.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
Blessings,
DZZZ

oops posted twice for some reason!
DZZZ

<small>[ November 12, 2003, 10:20 PM: Message edited by: Diamonzzz ]</small>

Diamonzzz,
That is good news about your marriage. I like to see marriages saved, not dissolved. I am glad you are allowing God to be the center of your marriage, otherwise they don't have that foundation. I think we both have had our tough times, and understand what the other has been thru. We will always care about each other from a spiritual point of view. Thanks for doing what you've done. I will respect the fact that you are busy now, and can't join us, but maybe someday!!!!!

God Bless You Diamonzzz
singleguy

Diamonzzz,
I got all teary-eyed when I saw the pics. Reading people's stories is good and supportive, BUT, when I see a pic and know their story, or speak to them on the phone and see their pic, it makes it so much more real. I have seen some these names on threads I have read and threads I have posted. Seeing the happy contentment on thier faces now makes me wonder "How did we let things fall apart?" ... "How did I let things fall apart?"

Thanks for hsaring that with us. To echo sg, come and join us on the weekly prayer posting, as well as the Purpose and maybe phone call. HIS WILL BE DONE.

God be with,
TTSMM

All,
Our will, His Will, do we really choose?

I woke this morning at 3AM, not able to sleep. After reading the "Purpose..." book, I turned off thelights to go back to bed (or back to sofa <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> ). As I lay there I prayed to God, He filled my mind with various thoughts.

We do have free will.
He knows everything of what we are going through.
He is always with us.

As is said in scripture, "...He counted/knew the very number of hairs on our head..." (apologize for translation - I am still new to reading the Bible and couldn't find the exact quote). Therefore, He already knows the choices we are going to make, BECAUSE, we already made them, before we were born; the moment when He planned on bringing us into the world. Right now is the physical embodiment/enactment of of the choices we already made.
To me this is liberating. To others, it might not be. I see this as I do have free will and freedom to choose, BECAUSE I already did.

OK <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> , I'm ready for the feedback <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

God be with us ALWAYS,
TTSMM

Hey thanks Trying. Nice folks on here. Maybe I'll stick around a little more .. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
My husband was posting on the EN board now and then too .. maybe I'll encourage him to come here too..

Blessings!
DZZZ

TTSMM,

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">OK [Wink] , I'm ready for the feedback [Eek!] </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">How does your mind handle the quantum relationships? Cause you'll need to bent it a little to comprehend this kind of stuff. And remember even the farm boy got this one lol. (Sorry sg)

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Our will, His Will, do we really choose? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes we really do choose. And we don't always do His will.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">He already knows the choices we are going to make, BECAUSE, we already made them, before we were born;</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">So does this mean we existed on another plain before we were born? I doubt you will find much biblical evidence supporting this thought. We would have to exist (have conscienceness, be alive) before birth in order to make decisions.

Hebrews 9:27 says "Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment,"

Just because God, already knows the choices we "will" make; doesn't mean we have already chosen them.

I just don't see my life's choices (good and bad) being recorded and played back for me to experience later. There are some choices that were really bad for me and if I made the choice then (and experienced the pain then) I would really want to do it differently this time around.

Sorry T, just have a hard time with that one. Do you still like me? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />


Gotta go.

Bless you.

S&C

S&C,

Even though you picked on me, I do have to agree with you. And thanks for using the word chose!!!!

God Bless
singleguy

I love a good debate <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

God knows everything.
God knows when we will be born.
God knows when we will die.
God knows when/if we get married.
God knows when/if we have children.

He knows all this before we came to be. He knows all the choices we will make (MADE).

I am not saying that we existed in some etheral form before we placed on earth. I am saying He already knows EVERY choice we will make. By saying we already made the choices, I meant to say, we already made the choices in His eyes and His knowing.

Trying to communicate this understandably <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Lovingly by God's Grace and Mercy,
TTSMM

TTSMM,

Sure, now you want mercy!!!!! How about understanding???? Trying to change the tune huh????? What do you think S&C, should we let him off the hook????

God Bless You TTSMM
singleguy

sg,

Mercy!!!!! Understanding???? You bet we're going to let him off the hook. He's a Child of the King!

If he's trying to change the tune, that's close enough to repentance for me. lol. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Hope yur weekend was/is blessed.

Lupo, ...ou out there? You've been on my mind the last few days.

Later'z.

S&C <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

S&C,

I kinda figured you'd say that!!!!!! God bless ya back Brother!!!!!!!

singleguy

Hello Diamonzzz,

God Bless YOU!!!!!!!!! And your Hubby!!!!!

singleguy

Hey singleguy, hope you are behaving yourself ...
Where's you pix? Did you go look at hubby and I?

.. I wanted to comment to something you posted on another thread .. about God? shhh.. Well, you said he had an accent? Sure He does... it's CANADIAN .. lol!!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

DZZZ

Hi Diamonzzz,

Everything but my eyes has been behaving!!!! They have really.... let's say " been enjoying the scenery " lately. Thank God no one else will read this post and make comments!!!! So God has a Canadian accent huh!!!!!! And I suppose you've seen Jesus out snowboarding the slopes!!!!!!!!

I went to " Let's see you ", but didn't see a picture with your name under it. There were two pages of pictures. All the girls are good lookin, but I just know that your hubby found the Sleeping Beauty of Canada. He has extremely good taste I've heard!!!!! Tell me exactly where I am supposed to look, like third row, second from left, etc. Help your brother from the states out!!!!

You are sounding much better than you were a while back. I'm glad you are past that.

God Bless Diamonzzz
singleguy

SG: Yeah, I really AM doing better. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> SOOOOOO much better. I can't even begin to thank the Lord enough for all that has happened lately. God is in the restoration business and He's certainly been at our house lately! PG!!!

Go to "Dzz & OHIT" (I haven't looked lately but it WAS on the last page .. but I think it sorts itself out alphabetically) My H's nick on marriage builders is OkHonI'llTry - thus "OHIT" - lest you had other thots of what it meant .. lol)

C'mon y'all upload pixs of yourselves.

By the way, I really like this side of the Marriage Builders board. I am thinking I might stick around here more. I am getting tired of the EN boards right now. Lots of silly cat fights and nonsense. I think I need to back off there some.

Yeah, you are right SG, no one else reads this .. and yeah .. Jesus WAS snowboarding the Canadian Rockies .. just yesterday .. HONEST! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Blessings All,
DZZZ

Diamonzzz,

Yes we are a little "sticky" here as you have indicated. Plus the other is just gossip and heresay. This thread deals with what life is really about.

Were you born and raised in Canada?

singleguy

Dzzz,

Just went looking for your picture. It ain't there!!!!! Did you take it off a while back when things weren't good and forgot to put it back?

singleguy

Oh-Oh? We're gone SG?! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />
Well ..., you know what they say ... "one shall be taken ... two left" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />


Nahh ...it's there .. you have to go to the bottom of the page and click pg. two .. it's the last pix on the last page, either two or three.. which ever is the last page ..

cuz "the first shall be last and the last shall be first", right? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
Dzzz

Hey all,

Diamonzzz, I do hope you decide to stick around too. This forum hasn't gotten as many people since they played musical chairs with all of the forum topics.

While I'm sure there are a number of people lurking and lifting up others in their prayers, I think there are people requesting or wanting prayers who don't scroll down the list and just don't know about this forum. I have asked Onegoing if it could be listed back up in the top of the list where it was before, but I haven't heard from him yet.

My pastor says he sees Jesus when he goes to Pipeline Beach. And he speaks Pidgen English (kind of a broken english with some other languages mixed in; Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiian, plus a few others).

I know he speak Pidgen cause there is a book out called "Da Jesus Book". The bible translated into Pidgen English. His words are in red.

I've been pretty active today posting, for a reason. Today is the 2nd anniversary of d-day. It's actually been ok. My W accually called me at work today. It was only for me to help her with a computer problem that no one in her office of computer "guru's" (including the xOM) could figure out. But the fact is she thought about me and called, she's never done that before.

I guess it's better also because I've been thinking about what to do for your 20th Wedding Anniversary next Wed. (Prayer and fasting day Nov. 26th). i'm gong to take a bunch of roses (20 to be exact) in a very nice vase, arranged real nice and take it up to her on Monday. That way she can have it there all week for a few days before she brings it home. And OM will get to look at it the whole week too.

So S&C needs a few prayers too. W probably doesn't even realize what today is and that it is a trigger for me. Keeping busy though, trying to keep my mind off of it.

Bless ya'll.

S&C

Hello Diamonzzz, Single, S&C!
Yup I am all caught up on the news! Some good stuff here!
I said a prayer for you S&C, such a good time to give roses too! I am so glad all is well for you and your wife - as it should be!
Single behave! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> ! I know it is hard ---it is not even spring yet!
Diamonzzz could you put a link up on here for the site to lets see you? I had a hard time too. Just cut and paste it, done it before on here and once I just typed in the address and it came out on here highlighted!

God Bless all of you!

Morning LoveNCare... bless you too sis!
I am not sure I know how to make a link here.. maybe Trying can do it? (hi trying!)
I see he has links in his tagline. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Dzzz

Let's See you

I am checking the entire pst to see if there were any others.

God bless,
Trying <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Hey great Trying!! .. now you guys upload one too .. ok?

Trying ... my prayers go up for you right now brother. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />
DZZZ

LNC,

What does spring have to do with it? Are you referring to a certain season? Hi Yo Silver!!!! Away!!!

If Dzzz's picture is easy to get to, I won't get any work done!!!!! I'll just sit here and drool!!! Plus after seeing her good lookin hubby, why would I be foolish enough to post my picture. People would just throw rocks at me.

Has anyone seen the show " Average Joe "? I do like Melena though. Melena Marie!!!!! Makes me wanta whistle like a construction worker!!!!! Maybe I should be on another thread!!!!

God Bless Everyone

God, bless me indeed.
Expand my territory.
May Your hand be upon me.
And keep me from evil,
that I would cause no pain.

singleguy

Singleguy said: "people would just throw rocks at me."

No, no, no people! Nobody be throwing rocks at the puter screen .. it will make a nasty hole in the screen and then you can't post no more .. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

Ok . .. if you must ... make sure you wear safety glasses, oh and put a pillow case around the monitor. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

SG ..... post your pix ....... The sisters here can give you "helpful" hints on a new wardrobe for the impeding entrance of "Mrs. Single" .. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Hey? Why is that? Why is the first thing women do, try to CHANGE the way he dresses? This is a phenomenon I want explained .. LOL

DZZZ

My pic is there now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Unfortunately, I rushed and the name is wrong. I have to email ex Princess Buttercup to get it deleted and changed.

God bless,
Trying

I should not have gone online today. I'm speading too much looking at all the MB pics <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> , and I haven't even eaten luch yet. I thought tomrrow was suppose to be my fast <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I'm still debating whether to uploda my wedding pic. If W finds out she'll <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" /> .

I leave it to God.

God bless,
Trying <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

Oh my Trying, those children of yours .. WOW! Precious .. sooooooooo cute .. almost as cute as mine were at that age <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

The link doesn't work. I remember now that you have to copy and paste it from a few posts down. Everyone had trouble with the first few ones she posted .. I think it was "try this"

Sowwwy

DZZZ

Let's See you

The link above will still work. All you have to is click the "Sign In" button and you will entire the album as pbuttercup. BUT, you will still only have guset priviledges.

God bless,
Trying <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

PS I know a way we can add our pics to our signature; however, unless we find a more secure pic site, I am reluctant to try it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

Hey all,

Here's the thread for Let's see you.Let's see you

And here's the link for the photos. Try THIS

Blessing to ya.

S&C

<small>[ November 18, 2003, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: steadfast and committed ]</small>

Hey S&C,
" Try This " doesn't work. It wants a password.

Dzzz,

I was just kidding about the rock thing. GEEEE!!!!! I'm not that ugly. What's wrong with my clothes? I'll have you know I've been told that I am a good dresser, better than most. Why do women always want to take over? Where does that controlling nature come from???? You can't control Tarzan!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> My biggest concern is all the "drool" shorting out my keyboard. Do these things work under water????
Where the heck is Cananda anyway? Is it in the Caribbean? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I'm waiting!!!!!!!
singleguy

SG,

Try "try THIS" again.

S&C

Try the links in my post above.

If it asks for a pw, just click the "Sign In" button. No pw is needed.

IN a rush rite now.


TTSMM

S&C,

I admire you for doing the roses thing. I used to give my wife flowers all the time, until the last several years. When I was first married, I was big into chivalry. I could make her laugh all the time. She loved the stupid things I used to do. They are still funny to this day. That is where the memories come from. The good old days!!!!

You Go S&C!!!!!!!
singleguy

Just about a half hour ago, I had to go see a business and talk to a gal they just hired about employee benefits. As I asked her questions, she informed me that she was going thru a divorce. Because I felt so awkward, the first thing I asked was how long she had been married. She said 31 years, and then just balled her heart out. I didn't know what to do. I had never met her before, and felt helpless. It took ten minutes before she got her composure back, but she never did stop crying totally. Her husband left her for another man, and they are already living together. He says he doesn't love her anymore, and really never did. What a shame!!!!

singleguy

SG,

You did the right thing. She needed to get something off her chest. She'd probably been holding that in for a while. You did a good thing.

I'm into funny (stupid things). When we were first married, we were doing laundry and stuff. I was making the bed and my W was in the bathroom. So I said "I'm putting the pillow cases on". Then I said it again and she came in the bedroom. As she was coming in, she going to say "Ok, ok I heard you." but she started laughing because I had literally put on the pillow cases and was lying in bed. (pa dum pump). She still tells that story to people to get them to understand how off the wall I am. I love to make her laugh. Heck, I love to make anyone laugh. I have no shame (well maybe a little, but not much).

Oh, if anyone thinks we're off topic; we aren't. God is into funny, as well as mercy, forgivness, etc. He wants to be involved in every area of our lives.

Bless ya'll.

S&C

Hello Diamonzzz, Single, TTSMM,
Well I goofed uploading too, but oh well just did it again - forgot to change file name!
Yes behave Single! Spring? Yes it is along way away, but I did forget that the bucks are in rutt <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> !
I enjoyed all the pics. Family ones are great. I miss the kids too. I have my grands here tonight and they are fun! I have a total of 15. Nope not old yet either!
The pup is from a solid champion line I bred a few years ago and is a Shih Tzu. I also raise Collies and have now only three of them. Shih Tzu's are all gone to much work on coats, but they are great for kids and everyone. Mine did not bark and they stayed small, real solid for kids, do not shed!

I will be on our call on Thursday.
God Bless you all
LoveNcare

Father, reveal to us your perfect truth.

I had the strangest dream.

I am at a big party and I always seem to be late for the main ceremony. I am Jewish, and so is everyone else. There are Nazis at this party, but they are wearing bright green uniforms. Someone comments at the party that they (those in the green uniforms) believed in Hitler before he turned against the Jews.
I was never fully at the party. I had to leave because I forgot some papers or something. When I return, this once festive party is very solemn. I am sort of outside of it. It feels like a wake. The people at the door won't let me in. Then I hear the name "Joseph De Benedictine <something> <something>" (I forget the rest of the name). That's when I first recognized the Nazis in green uniforms. As I walk around the party, it gets gloomier and darker.
Next, I am in a room that is very dark. A man with a German accent coaxes me into a room where these large machines are; a very nice man, and he tells me that I am to place this towel on my body. I am knid of seeing this from outside my body. I know I shouldn't put the towel on, but he insists. And then are terrible shocks, the machine is a generator and the towel is wet. Then I hear "Joseph De Benedictine <something> <something>, for the crimes of <something>. Do you confess to being a Catholic Jew?"
I am dying, have died for my faith.
I run out of that room only to find myself surrounded by darkness and the smell of death everywhere. Running and running. I start screaming and moaning, and I finally awake.

Dream over.
I woke up at 4:45 AM and felt very much numb with fear.

"Will you die for your faith?" As I wrote this my whole body is trembling and I feel all goose flesh (for lack of a better description).


I sat motionless for about ten minutes, so I know I probably forgot some of the dream. Then I typed. What I typed above is word for word what I typed in my laptop at 4:45 AM. I just redid the spelling and tried not to analyze it when I retyped it.

Today's Purpose chapter is, "Created To Become Like Christ". I read the chapter AFTER the dream.

I am still shaking and confused.

God be with us, ALWAYS,
tryingTOsaveMYmarriage

All,
I know that several of us are upset because the Prayer Request Forum has moved down in the list. In fact, there is a new posting out from "Stung by a Bee" because she finally found it.
Therefore, while waiting for the MB admins to reply, I have sent a new posting to each forum under "Issue" (Emotional Needs, Divorced/Divorcing, etc.) about where the Prayer Request forum is. If you believe in this is right, please post the same to the remaining forums.

God Bless,
TTSMM

Hello TTSMM,
Boy I read your post and all I can see in this my Brother is you are being tested! Please say many prayers and do not have any negative thoughts. If I had that dream I would not have been here to tell about it - I am sure! I could see the good and the bad.
I will say prayers for you.
Dear Lord please take special care of my brother TTSMM and Bless him, walk with him and surround him with a hedge of thorns to protect him and his family. Please Dear Lord do not allow the evil one near him, or in his mind. My brother loves you and is trying to obey you please help him in his walk with you.
In the name of the Father Son and Holy Spirit. Amen

Hey all,
I figured it was time to resurrect this posting again. Not on our free will this time, but on the Apocalypse (The Book of Revelation).

By tomorrow, I will have finished reading the entire New Testament <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> , in under 4 months. I am currently reading Revelation. I have the NAB and I have had some concerns about the footnotes added by present day biblical scholars throughout the New Testament (putting thier understanding of the scriptures). It has been helpful at times, and others, they are truly showing thier lving in the 21st century.

With Revelations, the opening notes said that this is a symbolic piece, and not to be taken literally. It mentioned that when John talks about Jesus, it is only symbolic, "One would find difficult and repulsive to visualize a lamb with seven horns and seven eyes, yet Jesus Christ is decsribed in precisely such words." When we reach the apocalyptic time, who is say what would be repulsive? It only sounds repulsive now because of our worldly impression and influences. Once we are in God's Kingdom, our minds, souls, and heart will be transformed. We will know (and accept) God's ways fully. couldn't this picture of Jesus be one of those ways of God? Could this picture be one of the most beautiful and majestic scenes we will ever encounter? IMHO <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Another pondering.
When John mentions the seven churches. Has it ever been looked at the instead on these regional churches being within 40+ miles of each other in a circular fahsion, that each church could represent each continent of the world. The last time I checked, we had seven continents: North America, South America, Africa, Europe, Asia, Australia, and Antartica (am I missing one?). Is it possible that the descriptions of God's favor (or lack thereof) of each church is a reflection on His favor (or lack thereof) on each continent? IMHO

Lastly. Any thoughts on where the New Rome (the Harlot) that is to fall into the sea is? Is it New York City, or Los Angeles, or outside of the United States? Or are we to take it literall; the City of Rome in Italy? IMHO

Let the debating begin. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

God's Blessings (and Wisdom) be upon us,
Trying....

ttsmm,

I don't know what you are reading, but Jesus never has seven horns and however many eyes. That is symbolic of the antichrist and not describing Jesus. I still urge you to go get the book " All Roads Lead to Rome ". It will teach you the truth and you might be amazed how far we have wandered from it. The seven churches represent seven kinds of people and their attitudes. I would search for books written by the original writers of the original King James version of the bible. I'm a little leary of newer books. Plus you're staying up too late!!!!!

singleguy

sg,
Click this link to see the references and notes to MANY of the Bibles in use, including King James.
Revelation 5:6

QUESTIONS ?????????
If Revelation is symbolism, is all of it symbolism?
Who makes the determination that the symbolism ends and actuality begins?
Are the seven plagues that are mentioned going to happen?
If not, does that mean that then never happened in Egypt either?
Or were the plagues in Egypt real and the plagues in Revelation only symbols of God's wrath?
If the plagues are not real in Revelation or in Moses time, did the Red Sea really part?
Or like many scientist who attempt to discount the Old and New Testaments state the the writers meant the "Sea of Reeds" - having found many old chariot wheels and horse gear?

I am not being nasty, if I am, please accept my apologies. I am looking for answers.

When Jesus was talking with the Apostles and the people who came to see Him, He spoke in parables and He told His Apostles that that was what He was doing. Where in the Apocalypse does John mention that God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, the angels, the elders, or anyone else in the visions is talking in symbols and/or parables?

Again, I am new to reading scripture, only three months, and I have a thirst for His Word. When am I suppose to look at His Word as only being symbolic?

I am not quoting, because I don't have the time right now to check it, but, I believe it was Acts.
A couple come to Paul after selling a piece of property so they could offer the money to the church. The husband lies about the money they received. Paul knows this, accuses him of cheating the church, and he is struck dead. As the disciples are burying the husband, the wife enters and lies as well. She is struck dead.

Are these to be taken as symbols?
Does this symbolize that the church (Paul) knew their hearts and that they were lying so he threw them out of the church (excomunnicated)?
But if excommunicated, they could return if they repented, right?
If struck dead, they were lost souls for ever, unless God rose them from the dead so they could repent?


I am on a roll here, but I need to get to back to work.


As for staying up late... I go to bed around 9:30 PM so I am asleep by the time my W comes home from work (less chance for arguing). Unfortunately <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> , I awake at 1:00-1:30 nearly every night, so I read the Bible, other books on faith, and do my postings.

God's Blessings,
TTSMM

Hello all. Just passing through to say hello. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

I have not been on this site much at all lately which I think is a good thing. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

My H and I are doing well. But we are having some big time difficulties with our children. We have 4 between us. All 4 are older and living away from us.

I know that divorce was NEVER God's intention and of course no one here would disagree with that statement but it is becoming even more clear to me why God hates it.

It does SUCH damage to kids.

I am trying to focus on the fact though that God is a redeeming God. He can heal. He can touch and change hearts and ultimately He can restore.

This is not a rebuke directed to anyone because frankly I don't know anyone well enough on this particular thread to know if this applies to you or not but I have something on my heart to say here about kids and divorce.

I believe that when the enemy gets in and destroys a home he will do mass destruction.

Often the "guilty" party, or the one the files the divorce or wants the divorce, is seen as the "bad" guy. He or she becomes the one that must forever pay for their sins. Sometimes long past the time that they have already repented and made it right with God.

Sometimes because of anger and resentment and old hurts and bitterness we won't LET our enemies make it right with us. I think we get comfortable in our ways and we like the fact that our offending ex's are the "bad" guy.

This is so destructive to children. Even AFTER the divorce is long over I can see that some parents will carry on the battle. Even people that are still "standing" for their marriages are still quietly dissing their respective spouses to their children.

I believe that repentence needs to start with us. We need to offer up forgiveness and mercy and grace to our ex's, period. Even before they ask sometimes. Even IN their sin. Even IF they are continuing.

God does that with us many times. He says in the word that His "kindness is given to make us repent".

Think about that? If someone is kind to you does it make you want to continue in your sin? Or does it melt your cold heart and make you want to come to your senses?

I can say for me, it makes me want to do the right thing when someone is kind to me even when I am clearly acting out of turn.

I have seen soooooo many Christians fall in my lifetime and fall into divorces only to regret it years later. But I have also seen many ex's that have been betrayed continue EXACTLY the same way as the day their spouses walked out and they feel justified in their own sins.

Yes, maybe your ex has betrayed you and your children and maybe they may never change. But there are a few of them that are desperately trying to repent and the people in their lives won't allow it.

It is just more comfortable for them to keep that man or woman as the "bad" guy to blame for all that went wrong in their lives.

Children will also pick up on this behavior and forever be set up in a pattern of blaming.

This is what we are struggling with in our own kid's lives. Everything that goes wrong in their lives, they blame on the divorce and on one or both of us.

The truth is, the divorce DID happen and it DID hurt them, but THEY are still responsible for their own actions and their own relationship with God, AFTER the divorce.

The kids can't say they have a terrible life, now, after 10 or so years. It is time to let that go and forgive.

Ex spouses sometimes don't WANT their children to forgive because then they may have to also forgive and share some of the responsibilty for the breakdown of the family.

Satan is crafty. When he gets in and destroys a family you can bet he will blind BOTH eyes and those of the children too, if he can. Don't ever believe for a moment that it did not take TWO to break up that home. Not just the "guilty" party.

Ok, sermon over ..... can we take up a little offering now? hehee

OHIT and I need a little holiday to some place really warm, like um .....Florida might be nice" LOL

Blessings All,
DZZZ (Deb)

Revelation 5 Yes, ttsmm, this does represent Jesus and the seven churches from what I understand. Remember, this is a dream that John is having. Could it be symbolism? Many times in OUR dreams, that particular dream does not happen verbatim but very close to it or things in the dream represent something else. Let me give you an example of one of my own dreams - I had a dream about a month ago, maybe a few weeks ago, that I was in my mother's house & my children and BIL were there. All of a sudden, we heard a frantic knocking on the back door. My oldest son answered the door and my SIL ran in screaming, Shut the door! By the time my oldest could get the door shut, a man dressed in black shoved his way in, with a knife in his hand. He grabbed my daughter and held the knife to her throat. I don't remember what he said if he said anything. I grabbed on to my BIL and pulled him in front of me. I cannot remember what else happened after that, if anything, but when I woke up, horrified, I noticed that the downstairs lamp was on. I was a little shaken at first, wondering if there had been someone in the house & I was having a dream warning me of that. So I laid there, quiet, and slowly investigated. Then I remembered that I hadn't turned the lamp off before going to bed.

I thought about what this dream could have meant. I believe the man dressed in black with a knife (I appropriately labeled him a thief), represented Satan & his effort to destroy my family. (He comes like a thief, ready to kill & destroy) My BIL could have represented my husband (they are twins) and my SIL is my best friend (could be my fears manifested through her - trying to run away from Satan and his destruction). Who was he attacking? My children. Specifically my daughter. My daughter & I could pass for twins. They call us the "mother-daughter" twins at her old daycare.

Anyway, the lamp being on when I woke up could represent God's light and that I was focused on that when I woke up, could symbolize that I have to keep my eyes focused on the light at the end of the tunnel (the nightmare).

To connect all of this, when John had this dream, he was shown images representing various things. It was a prophetic dream. Some things were symbols, and we are told when they represent and what they represent. I take Revelation literally to a certain extent, for instance, when they are spewing forth plagues, those plagues could take different forms according to the world we live in now. Not sure if this helps, but that's how I view the book of Revelation.

So how did I do? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

ttsmm,

I am going to try to send you the tapes I talked about awhile back. then we can get into your questions, which by the way, are good ones!!!

Dzzz,
You are right, but forgiveness is very hard for most people, even outside of divorce. It needs to be taught in the church much more that it is. The bible says the sins of the fathers are passed down to the third and fourth generation, not so much by God, but that is how long things sometimes need to be repented of and for real. There are soooo many wounded people walking around today, even in church, maybe more in church! People are better at hiding pain than healing from it. Just so you know I try to do exactly what you posted about my ex. I did make a comment about her anger, but I can tell you a million good things about her too, and mean it.

I have been thinking about my own woundedness and have been wondering what could possibly heal me, and then you say you are going to Florida. My doctor says if you will post ALOT of pictures in your string
bikini, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> I might survive!!!! If I start to fade, I will have you post more pictures!!!! You don't want me to die, do you???? You are such a good pal. Please tell ohit what a great wife he has!!!!

You know I am picking on you.......

Or am I? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

friskyguy

SG if you really want to die and go to heaven I'll post pixs of OHIT in his bikini!! LOL

SG I suggest lots of vitamin C, a cold shower, and maybe a total lobotomy... hehee

Naww .. ok .. I'll be nice.

I agree with you about the churches not teaching this stuff.

I am not sure the age group you are in but we are in the 40's group and I have served the Lord since I was 19. In the early years you could count on your one hand the number of people that got divorced. Then it seemed over night marriages of 10 or 20 years (like mine) were breaking up all around us.

Gosh it's like it all happened so fast .. and the church couldn't keep up. I read somewhere that the divorce statistics are no different in the church today than in the world. Sad reality.

Well, I say, "Church wake up!!" Get with the program! We have work to do. If we are truly His disciples and we want to be used for the master, it's time we got out those bandages and started to use them.

The church is supposed to be a hospital not a morgue.

From now on I wanted to be called Dr. And Mrs. OHIT .. heehe

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

DZZZ

Dr Dzzz, <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Now where did I imply that I really want to die!!!!! But you got the heaven part right!!! I'll be checking your ticket at the gate girl!!!

Most churches today are made up of broken families. The divorce rate is " higher by 1% " in the church than outside. The reconciliation rate is " lower " in the church than the outside. That ought to tell us something!!!! They say a divorce affects 68 people immediately. It affects relationships [parents and children], finances, the holidays, school, work, insurance, the kids are shuffled back and forth between homes, just to name a few. I used to get along better with my wife's side of the family than she did. But this will be the eighth year that I have missed out on reunions, Christmas, birthdays, etc. it's like I don't exist anymore. They don't invite me, nor do they send any cards, birthday or Christmas. I went from family to "doesn't exist" overnite. I don't feel they hate me, but they are forced to side with their daughter, so I'm out. I'm sure they feel guilty too. I don't hate my ex or try to make her life miserable in any way. I seldom see her. But any guilt she harbors, if any, is strictly self imposed. I do feel I have every right to move on and I can't look forward to a new relationship, if I have to look back at any remnants of an old one, so better that we seldom see each other.

If we are to make things fair, then we have to consider all points. When my wife first left me, we weren't even divorced yet [but she had moved out] when people where coming up to me and saying " Hey, was that your wife I saw at the bar last nite. Aren't you guys married anymore? ". Then she told me the reason she married me was because " I was convenient ". She said she never did really love me!! But now she has "woke " up and wants "peace" and we should all get along. She says we need to learn to forgive and forget!! Interesting concept!!!! Do you see what I am saying. As a Christian I CHOSE to be bigger than the problem. satan would love for me to be chomping at the bit with hate and anger, but I refuse to bite!!! The lobotomy helps alot!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

Anyway, I just wanted to throw my two cents in. I will start praying for those pictures I requested. Dear God.....

God Bless
Dr.guy

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The lobotomy helps alot!!!!! </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well see Dr. Single (who by the way SG is NOT a real Dr. he just plays one on MB) if more men would just volunteer to have the operation.... lol

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

DZZZ

When I was in college (BC), the saying went; "I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy". The effect was the same, it just wasn't permanent. Or so I thought. I think back then I killed more brain cells than a lobotomy would have.

Sg, I think you need to go running again. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Besides, knowing DZZZ; she'd doctor up the photo with her head and someone elses' body (like "OHIT in a bikini") and post the pix just to throw you off. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

Regarding the topic; I personally don't think it is either or. Who's to say that it cannot have both a literal meaning and a symbolic meaning. I think it is possible to have more than one meaning and still be biblical.

While I haven't studies Revelation in depth, I have seen where the use of symblism and literal meaning is used together. Such as when Christ talks about the seven churches. Those were actual churches with actual issues. I also believe he was talking about how symbolic it is because of how each of us individually can be.

Just getting ready to go p/u the W and go home for the day.

BTW - Weekend was pretty good. Rained a lot, got a whole lot of reading in and we cooked dinner for a couple in our church who was celebrating their 7th Anniversary.

Blessing to you all.

Love in Christ.

S&C

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Besides, knowing DZZZ; she'd doctor up the photo with her head and someone else's body (like "OHIT in a bikini") and post the pix just to throw you off </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Hey Steadfast, I am gonna think on this one!! LOL

When H and I were dating I developed a pix I had taken of him and had it put on disk, and then I played with it on printshop and added dreadlocks on his pix .. I gotta find it for you guys .. it's a scream! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

I could post my pix but I figure I am SURE y'all would die. I don't want to be responsible for that. Imagine the newspaper. "MB participants die from shock from seeing middle-aged, plus sized model,in stringed bikini" Sub caption would read:
"Doctors say the peculiar thing was all the men that died also had, had previous lobotomies.

hehe <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />
Remember all, "laughter works like a medicine".

And *I* am a Dr.-- so take take your MEDS! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Dr. Dzzz

Dzzz,
Too many quotes to put them here.
You are so right about divorce. Even though I am not yet (God willing, it won't happen), I can already see many of the issues that will arise for our children: two homes (apts. because we won;t be able to keep the house); lower life style for both parents and therefore the children as well; schooling, plays, sporting events, holidays, the list could go on for eternity.

I have repented, I know God forgives me, I wish my W would do the same.

Tonight, I worked on the Christmas tree lights by myself <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" /> while my W helped our D with a school project she is doing. From the living room I kept hearing was, "Can't you do anything right? You haven't learned anything, have you? Why can't you cut in a straight line? Stop sitting on your feet and sit up straight. You just don't care about your work. Well, i guess I am the only one who does care." and more such criticisms.

My heart went out to my D, and there was nothing I could do. Every time I intervene on these things, she always brings up the A and how my parents (mentally ill she says) didn't do a good job with me. And she says this in front of the kids. So I sit back, close to tears, and pick up the pieces of my D's heart when my W goes to work.

My S doesn't fair much better. He was born after I had the A (a year and a half later), but before I confessed to it. She feels and tells me many times, that I should have told her about the A before we decided to have a second child. A child is a precious gift that a W gives to her H (I agree) and I never would have given this to you. I feel/know that he is getting his treatment by her (not abuse - but definitely wrong) because looking at him reminds her of my infidelity.

As for our D. I think she drifts off or gives up sometime, because it is her only way to lash out against the pain and suffering she is going through. Like tonight when my W complained to our D that she must be lazy, our D said she didn't want to do the project any more and that she hated it.
She doesn't understand what I did (A), although my W tells her that she will know fully when she is old enough.

My W uses the A and possible D to blame all that is going on around her. She refuses to take responsibilty for most anything in the M that went wrong. Tonight while working on our D's project, she tells me I pasted the maps upside down. She was already drawing and printing on it the opposite way. I respectfully showed her that I had pasted everything the proper way and that her drawing and printing afterwards were upside down. I tehn went back to the tree. I heard mutter to our D that she (my W) made a mistake. WIthin the next breath she was upset with our D's teacher for giving this project just before the holidays. Nothing is ever her fault. Please pray that God shows her she needs to be responsible and to take a more constructive stand with our C.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn,
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight,
If children live with ridicule, they learn to be shy,
If shildren live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The poem goes on.

I'm not angry at my W, although when she does this I do think a lot of negative thoughts and then I look to God and ask for Him to stop her actions, or to lead me in what I need to do.

Before I close, I do some good news. The blurbs are on the prayer post, but I wanted to share them here as well.
In school the other day, my D's class was coming up with a list of "Winter" things. Children said, "snow, the dradel(sp), Christmas trees", and the like. She said, "God's Birthday." This is a public school in NJ, so the teacher listed "Birthdays" instead. But I was so proud to hear my D's answer. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Tonight, I was in Walmart looking for a book my Great Uncle wrote (he was Stefan Zeromski, a polish novelist at the turn of 19th century). I was talking with the book manager and we talked about our heritages. After a bit, I noticed "The Purpose Driven Life" on the shelf. I asked him if was religious and he asked why? I told him I just finished reading "TPDL" and it was amazing. He said that he used to be a Catholic, but left because of all the hypocrisy he excperienced down south (ALL Christian denominations). I shared with him, briefly, my life, the A, my possible D, and my being a "Born Again Catholic". He said he never felt anything from God and with the hypocrisy, he didn't see a need, but he did send his kids to Catholic schools at first. I shared with him a few of my experiences with God (the car license plates with my W's name) and he was impressed (wrong word). He wasn't turned off. I had to run to pick up my D from CCD class, but I told him when I was leaving, he should read the book. I have never shared my faith with a total stranger before. I was always afraid of coming off as a "Jesus Freak", and when I finished "TPDL" and it talked about the Great Commission, I felt ill. But here, the Holy Spirit guided me to talk about MY experience with my faith and what it was doing for me. No sales pitch.

God's Blessings and Good Night,
TTSMM

S&C,

If I didn't pick on Dzzz, she would think I was sick. Besides she likes it, even if she won't admit it. Several years ago on I believe 60 minutes, they had an article about all the Canadian men who went to the beaches of Texas and wore the little Speedo's. They were snowbirds and would be there 3 or 4 months. The guys had these huge pot belly's and you couldn't even see the front part of the swim suit. The local's thought it was disgusting because they would come into the restuarants and such with only a little patch of black on their butt. I can't remember what the women wore. Probably the granny suit!!!!

So you don't think I'm a real doctor, huh Dzzz!!
I've had some women tell me they love how I "operate". They say I'm a "cut" above the rest!!! Anyway, time to continue sewing Draculina together. She's almost finished. She'll look just like Pam Anderson when I'm finished!! Well, almost! Should I put her on "Extreme Makeovers"?

Yes, humor is good medicine!!!! I hope God gets a chuckle out of some of this. I sure do.

God Bless
Dr Single

TTSMM,

Glad to hear that you shared your faith with a stranger. That's awesome! PTL! The more you do it, the easier it should gets. Evangelism is what we're all called to do. I am a bit more comfortable talking to people I know. I haven't quite gotten the nerve to evangelize to those I don't know - YET. I will with the help of God though.

Continue to pray for your wife - she'll come around eventually - remember, not in OUR time, but his. I've always understood it to be that sometimes God hardens peoples hearts until he thinks they're ready to hear the gospel message. That happened with my SIL. I have always tried to spread God's word to her, but she was never willing to listen. "You stick to the Bible stuff - it doesn't interest me." So I showed her the love of Christ through my ACTIONS. When God felt she was ready to listen, he used a tragic incident in her life to open her ears & heart to the word. She started reading her Bible more and prays consistently now. PTL! Also, I took notice that the more love & understanding I give to my husband when he's around, the more he wants to be around! The more friendly he is. We joke and carry on when I'm upbeat, friendly & continue to show him unconditional love. Keep on doing what you're doing. It WILL pay off eventually.

Diamonzzz,

I know what you mean about forgiveness and the children. The children feel so torn right now between both of us. They want Daddy to be happy & they hate to see Mommy miserable. When I asked them how they felt about all of this, my oldest S13 told me that he's a little angry with Dad for breaking commandments, D11 said the same thing. They each told me that God doesn't want this to happen and they feel that when someone promises to love someone forever, they have to try everything they can to keep that promise. My heart breaks every time I hear them speak about it. I told them that although Daddy's actions aren't perfect right now, we must remember to love him always and they need to respect him as he is their father and they must not break the commandment that says, Honor your father. I think as long as the adults (at least one sane adult) teaches the children unconditional love & forgiveness, the children will have an easier time adjusting to the new situations that arise. Yes, they're going to need to talk about it sometimes. Yes, they're going to need to pray with you for patience, but as long as they know that God hears their prayers, and wants to comfort them too, they will be okay.

sg,

So can I come to you for my "ailments" now? I'm tired of having to pay so much for health care!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

What truth is God revealing in each one of us today? Today He is revealing to me that there is a reason He works the way he does. And why I have to remain patient and trust him.


TTSMM,

I remember witnessing to someone I didn't know once. After I left him, I got this feeling that God was proud of me. Nothing came of it immediately, but I guess I'll know fully when I get to heaven

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Continue to pray for your wife - she'll come around eventually - remember, not in OUR time, but his... ...Keep on doing what you're doing. It WILL pay off eventually.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Wise words. I love animals and have on a couple of occasions found one abandoned or sick. When you take a creature like this in, you can't immidiately feed it solid food. I can't chew well or cannot digest it properly. So I start out giving it lifegiving water. Sometimes through a dropper or my finger (just dip it in the water and touch it's tongue or lips). All the while making attempts to touch it in a loving manner.

The situation is similar to that of our WS; separated from God, surrounded by the enemy and maybe even nose deep in the muck and mire. We cannot just say to them come on out. They can't, even if they know it's the best thing for them. The need to have the briars taken out and the tar removed. The sad truth is they have become so acustomed to the ick, they want to cling to it. This is where God comes in. He starts to remove the stuff they cling to. A little at a time; and he feeds them a little bit of water through a dropper (That's us BTW; by our actions, not our preaching. And the people we pray for to come into their lives). Pretty soon we start to see the changes. Not drastic ones, but little ones.

Like this morning. The first time in years in front of me during out prayer time this morning, she thanked God for bringing me into her life. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

so be like Mary the mother of Jesus "hide these things in your heart" and write them down in your journals to look back at later for time when the enemy want to get you discouraged.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I think as long as the adults (at least one sane adult) teaches the children unconditional love & forgiveness, the children will have an easier time adjusting to the new situations that arise. Yes, they're going to need to talk about it sometimes. Yes, they're going to need to pray with you for patience, but as long as they know that God hears their prayers, and wants to comfort them too, they will be okay.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Amen to that DZZZ!

Bless you all today.

S&C

S&C,

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" /> {{{{{{{{{{ WOW }}}}}}}}}} <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

Do they have muck and mire in Hawaii? Nose deep is deep indeed!!!

Now to be serious. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> This morning on Dr Dobson's show, they had a guy similar to Jimmy Evens who had a talk aimed at women in understanding their differences from men. A lot of misunderstanding is incorrectly labeled abuse, and he explains why. I know you can get a audio tape, maybe a transcript or video. It was an hour long and it would be excellent for anyone. Even better if you aren't yet married. He was addressing women at some huge gathering in Colorado, I believe. The web site is family.org.

OK, S&C, I know it's coming. Let me have it!!!!!

singleguy

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sg,
"Get off my airhose. You beast." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Inside joke if we are talking about the same show. Part two was today on Focus on the Family. I think I will belistening to that one again and again. Too bad my W won't <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

Earlier this week, Dr Dobson also had on a two-parter on being a good father, Godly Father. Excellent....Excellent.

Below are the links to both broadcasts. If you have Real Player of Windows Media Player, so can listen to them on your PC.

Focus on the Family Broadcasts Archives
Today's broadcast, Part two of what sg mentioned above, will appear ont his site tomorrow. If you visit this site at a much later date, here is the info (not links) so you can find them:

12/9/2003 - Tuesday
Essentials of a Healthy Home, Part 1

12/10/2003 - Wednesday
Essentials of a Healthy Home, Part 2

12/11/2003 - Thursday
Respect: A Marriage Essential, Part 1


God's Blessings,
TTSMM
Respect: A Marriage Essential, Part 2
Friday, December 12, 2003

ttsmm,

Thanks for making it easy by putting up the link. Do you think there is a video available?

Also, most people call themselves born again christians. You use the term born again catholic. Is there something we don't know???

God Bless
singleguy

Yeah! That was the best sermon I have ever heard on this topic!

I heard it last month on Dobson's site. All this month I think they are doing repeats of the "best of the best" and it's no surprise that they would repeat it.

H and I listened to it a couple times. Opened my eyes big time!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

I even made a whole thread about it last month on the emotional needs board ..... I had the link there too... I can't find it now but that's ok,
no one really responded much (other than a hand ful of Christians) so nothing much came up on that thread anyway....

I wonder too if there is a video. Wouldn't that be a cool gift to give a couple for an engagement gift? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" /> (now you know what your getting from us Singleguy! LOL)

Anyway, happy weekend everyone! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

You are all precious to God. And I "sorta" like some of you too!

DZZZ

No videos found, YET.

But here is the Dr's website Dr. Emerson Eggerichs

There is probably more at this site but I am at work so.....I don't have time to become a member, BUT I WILL <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

God's Blessings,
TTSMM

Thanks Dzzz,

I'll make sure my new wife watches it!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

singleguy

The site is: loveandrespect.com. There are 5 videos with 7 hours of teaching for $120. There are also cd's and other materials. An annual membership is $15 to use all the other materials online.

singleguy

SFM,
Guess what the Marriage Conference you talked about in the last Restoration post is run by Dr. Emerson Eggerichs.

Love and Respect Marriage Conference - Feb 13 2003

Small world <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
God's Blessings,
TTSMM

Too bad there is not a chat room here. The four people currently logged in are:
TTSMM
SFM
SG
S&C

Boy would that make an interesting chat. All we need is some Canadian influence and we'll be all set.

The marriage retreat is Weekend to Remember by Family Life. It's Valentine's Day weekend in Hershey, PA. Is this one & the same? I didn't see who the speakers are but it is run by Dennis & Barbara Rainey.

I like the idea about a chat room. We should all meet somewhere like on yahoo or something at a specific time and chat with each other. Lift each other up. Unless someone else has a suggestion. Or we could have a Bible study there. Anything to gather in His name at one specific time. What do you all think?

SFM,
No, it'ss in Quakertown. I guess I can understand there bring more than one marriage and love conference during Valentine's weekend. But more than one in PA, come on <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" />

Also, if youtake a look at the "Purpose Driven Life" post, we (sg, ll, lnc & ttsmm) had weekly phone calls (about an hour plus). This was through a telconf number. If you use 10-10-220 it would only cost you ~$3-4 for an hour. I would like to start this call up again after the holidays.

God's Blessings,
TTSMM

Trying,

I'm looking at the pamphlet in front of me & there's one in Allentown at the Holiday Inn in Lehigh Valley from Feb 27-29 and one in Hershey from Feb 13-15 at the Hershey Lodge & Convention Center. Maybe it's a different one than the one you're talking about? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="images/icons/tongue.gif" /> Love ya!

I had forgotten about those phone calls. Sounds like a plan! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="images/icons/cool.gif" />

SFM,

Weekend to Remember is the same one my W and I attended the last two years. Got some good stuff; a Date night and everything. Best if you can stay in the hotel the conference is held if you can.

Bless you.

S&C

Everyone,
I could use your prayers. Awhile back I developed pnuemonia in my left lung, approx 12 days ago. Some days are rough. I keep losing my voice and it may be gone as long as four hours at a time. Today I am feeling much better, and feel it may be lifting. Please pray that my lungs have no damage. Thanks

singleguy