Friends,

I don't even know what to call this thread. I'm requesting help in naming it.

Here's the latest:

H tried to call me last Thursday night. He sounded so down. I didn't hear his message until just today, cause I was out of town for a few day during spring break. In fact, I was in HIS town, but didn't call him or anything! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

So anyway, I get home, and hear his message, and he's sounding down. Sooooooo, I called him back.

Get ready. Hope you-all are holding onto your hats............

H's ow died on March 1. He called to tell me.

H's ow left HIM executor of her will. He stands to inherit quite a lot of $$$. Her family is fighting him, so he's in for quite a rollercoaster ride.

Here's what I know. They were not married........yet. He [apparently] feels he was "in love" with her. YUCK. That was hard to hear him talk about (he never said he "loved" her, but I can hear the sadness in his voice over what happened to her).

I would like to not elaborate, except to say it was during a surgical procedure gone wrong.

Anyway, he called me - quote "To hear someone who won't keep saying the same things over and over to me......"

I have no idea what that means. But we talked about 45 mins. and it was nice........

There's not much more, I just wanted to keep everyone apprised of the latest development.

Keep PRAYING!!! GOD IS AT WORK BIG-TIME........

PTL \o/

P.S. Java, I read your comment about wanting to hear something positive..........I know you meant in YOUR situation, but I haven't had anything happening here for almost 2 years, so I'm very encouraged to suddenly have to remember that God has been working all along.

P.P.S. I just talked to a very close sister (prayer partner) to share this news. She pointed something out I hadn't thought about, but then I read Gentle's answer to Hopeful, and it says the same thing! My friend's exact words as reaction to my news was, "WOW!! God sure moved that mountain, no, I mean REmoved that mountain, didn't he?"

See, we often don't see the way God is going to move the mountain, although we are reminded in scripture that we are able to MOVE mountains through our faith. STANDING firm, declaring God's faithfulness and BELIEVING is how God will help us move mountains. In my case, the mountain is GONE!! Not just moved, not just on its way OUT of the way. It's G-O-N-E.

<small>[ March 29, 2004, 06:59 PM: Message edited by: lupolady ]</small>

Wow Lupolady. I don't even know what to say. It's sad that the OW is gone (that it had to end this way) but God is DEFINITELY working. Yes, God HAS removed your mountain.

I guess you could call this thread "Mountain Removed" (or something similar). Not that we should be glad that the OW is dead now, but to see that when God says something, He MEANS it. "What God has joined together, let NO MAN separate".

You are in my prayers! God Bless!

H98

ll,
My jaw dropped. I hope she found Christ before she died.
I don't know what to say. The Amazing Power of God is UNSTOPPABLE.

God bless,
ItsInHisHandsNow

Thanks, all.

Yeah, it's been a real rollercoaster ride for me, too. I have been praying for her to be GONE, but this is ridiculous....... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="images/icons/shocked.gif" />

On a more serious note, I HAD been praying for her to hear the gospel, and recieve Christ (strictly out of obedience to God command to me). I believed that if she would become a christian (or HE would remember he's supposed to BE one) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> , then they would become convicted of their sin, and break up.........

Soooo, anyway, he told me they had begun listening to a local (to us) TV preacher, evangelist........the pastor of the very church HE AND I MET IN!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="images/icons/mad.gif" />
Well, to continue, they had started listening to him, and SHE had commented that she wanted to visit there when she got well, and out of the hospital............

Sooo, I have to believe she DID hear, and may have recieved. I'd feel better about feeling GOOD about all this if that were so......

I mean, I don't actually feel GOOD about it.....it's just sooooooooooooo WEIRD! I mean W-E-I-R-D TO THE MAX.

GOD just RE-moved the mountain. NO CHANCE that she'll ever bother our M again. Wow.

Hopeful, the ONLY thing that keeps going through my mind is the thought that they were planning to marry in July, and God said "NO" in no uncertain terms. Wow (again)

My friend (prayer partner I mentioned in first post) said her pastor's reaction was, "God sure meant what He said when he closed THAT door!" He also said now is a time for extreme prayer......

God is moving, suddenly and certainly. Satan will most certainly also attack back.

Uhhh, apparently I don't KNOW HOW to edit the name of this thread!

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

<small>[ March 29, 2004, 04:52 PM: Message edited by: lupolady ]</small>

Definitely a time for extreme prayer. I will be praying for you!


To edit title: Just click the edit icon on the original post and re-name the title. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

H98

Wow, lupo! I don't know what to say!

(Can you believe it?? Faithfulwife, speechless?) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" /> OY VEY!

First, I think there is a big lesson here that when we pray, we need to be very specific. I know God knows our hearts and all, but words are powerful and we need to use our words wisely.

Second, I agree with you that God has decided to MOVE in no uncertain terms. Better prepare yourself for a "finger of God" kind of miracle, kid. (Isn't it fun to be called "kid" at our age??) This is the season of Easter and I have a feeling there is going to be another resurrection here.

Third, THANK GOD. Holy Moses, girl! Bring out your timbral and dance with thanksgiving and praise. Sing unto God from the roof tops. WHOA!


Blessed are You, Lord our God, King of the Universe, Finger of God. In Your wisdom You created the OW, and in Your wisdom and timing, You took her--blessed be the Name of the Lord! How does a person thank the King of the Universe for reaching down from the heavens and removing a mountain...a MOUNTAIN!! We can't just say "thanks" for that! We take off our shoes for the ground we are standing on is holy. We worship the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob, for He has reached down once again and parted the Red Sea when it looked like it was impossible. He has once again worked a miraculous resurrection. And we are mere mortals trembling in awe in His presence. Thank you God for Your unspeakable miracles and for renewing in us the assurance that if YOU want it done, it WILL BE DONE!!!


CJ

I too am somewhat speechless.

Part of me wants to ask you to pray for our marriage, but maybe not my wife, LOL.

Part of me is a little concerned because my W is another WH's OW or was.

So all I can really say is WOW!

Tony

I, too, am somewhat speechless. And shocked, and sickened and disgusted by this thread.

Oh how wonderful.. the OW is dead.. God gave her what she deserved. Way to go, God! Unbelievable... you people truly represent the worst Christianity has to offer.

How about some sympathy for her family?

Ugh...

ManInLove

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ManInLove:
<strong> I, too, am somewhat speechless. And shocked, and sickened and disgusted by this thread.

Oh how wonderful.. the OW is dead.. God gave her what she deserved. Way to go, God! Unbelievable... you people truly represent the worst Christianity has to offer.

How about some sympathy for her family?

Ugh...

ManInLove </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">ManInLove,

I had many of the same thoughts you expressed here. I don't think I can say I know why God took this person, but I do believe that God chooses to take us to serve his purpose. We are clearly told in scripture that the wages of sin are death. Romans 6:23

I don't think lupolady here is celebrating her death. However, as a believer, I believe God chose to take this woman.

What I'm not sure of is did He do that because she was in sin.

Last Sunday, my pastor asked, "How do you know if God still has something for you to do with your life for Him? If your heart is still beating and you are still breathing, then God has a mission for you."

So God had no mission or purpose for this woman. Perhaps she did what God wanted her to do and He called her home. Perhaps she refused to do what God wanted her to do, so He called her home.

I do know that not one of us here knows why.

However, I think it's a bit of a stretch to think that any of us are celebrating her death. As a Christian, I'm saddened by the thought that a woman has died and perhaps has not accepted the gift of Salvation, and is eternally damned because she did not accept Christ.

Tony

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by javaSansContour:
<strong> Part of me wants to ask you to pray for our marriage, but maybe not my wife, LOL.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Java, you are cracking me up.

Thanks for the thoughts, and the (wow).

First of all, don't think I'm any kind of super-christian spiritual giant or any sort of thing. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

Far from it!! But the plain and simple fact of the matter is that I have prayed, I DO pray.....I DO ask God what He would have me do, and then I try to be obedient. Even when it hurts.

I try to be very obedient b/c I know that being DISobedient is what led us to this point!

If there is one thing I have learned through all of this is that DISobedience only leads to disaster.

Brothers and sisters,
There's one more interesting direction I need to go in on this:
It was a thread in which I replied regarding flirting one particular man that week, and how I felt it was inapproriate for me to do so, while Standing for my M. My exact words on my thread are quoted below:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
I was discussing this with a g/f, and she said she believes this is satan's "biggest, last stand" since he knows withstanding this temptation will bring about the break-through (regarding restoration) that I have been praying for now for almost 3 years.......</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Now it seems I know what the breakthrough was going to be!!!
Much prayer is needed now.

Thanks for all your kind words, and prayers (CJ). I KNOW God is faithful, and HE IS WORKING toward restoring my M!!!!!!!

PTL!!! \o/

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by ManInLove:
<strong> I, too, am somewhat speechless. And shocked, and sickened and disgusted by this thread.

Oh how wonderful.. the OW is dead.. God gave her what she deserved. Way to go, God! Unbelievable... you people truly represent the worst Christianity has to offer.

How about some sympathy for her family?

Ugh...

ManInLove </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well, MIL, I would just like to reply to your post with my own thoughts.

First of all, I DON'T SEE THAT I'VE CELEBRATED HER DEATH.

Secondly, I think we all here are totally speechless, shocked (and maybe even sickened at some level) at what has transpired and somewhat at a loss as to the "why" God would see fit to work in this manner in this situation.

THird of all, while I am saddened for the loss her family is feeling, it's also true that my H was pursued by her, and this div (financed by this woman ripped our family apart and caused much pain as well.

WHERE did any of us say "God gave her what SHE deserved?!?!" I don't remember saying that. I distinctly remember saying that I had been led to pray, and believed and felt she had had an opportunity to hear the gospel, and I hoped she had accepted that offer.

I believe God is absolutely sovereign, and therefore He is in control of the number of the days of every single soul he created, including OW. Did God know ow would die during this surgery? Yes, He did. Did God ordain that my H would be with her during this illness and death? Yes, He did.

I do not understand it. I DID NOT welcome this into our lives, but God's ways are perfect, and our understanding is puny.

I hope YOU are not trying to tell us that YOU are "wiser" and more "understanding" of God's ways than the rest of us?

Sorry, MIL, but I think you are misinterpreting what we are "shocked" and surprised about.

Satan, thanks for showing up, I knew you would.

Edited - because what's the point in even getting upset about this post.

Jenny

<small>[ March 30, 2004, 07:55 PM: Message edited by: KiwiJ ]</small>

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My friend's exact words as reaction to my news was, "WOW!! God sure moved that mountain, no, I mean REmoved that mountain, didn't he?"</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">THANK GOD. Holy Moses, girl! Bring out your timbral and dance with thanksgiving and praise. Sing unto God from the roof tops. WHOA!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">And you wonder why people maybe, could, might possibly think that you are celebrating her death?

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">you people truly represent the worst Christianity has to offer</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">ARE YOU LISTENING Lupo et.al.? You are not bringing people CLOSER to Christ, you are pushing them FROM Christ.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">
Satan, thanks for showing up, I knew you would. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Figures. Always blame the devil for anything you don't agree with. Couldn't possibly be GOD telling you, through MIL, that your thread is sending the wrong message, could it.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by KiwiJ:
<strong> I too am sickened and disgusted by this post. I should never have read it.

So you are saying that if half the people on this board died it would be God's retribution and good riddance. Or are you just going to pray for us WS's to die.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No, I believe only you have said this. Please do not put words into the mouths of others.

Actually, I believe most of us pray that WS's would return to seeking God's will. However, don't take my word for it, search and see if anyone here is actually praying for the death of a WS or OM/OW.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by KiwiJ:
<strong>

The God I know does not take people's lives because they have sinned. He forgives them even if they haven't found Him.

</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I do agree God forgives. However, I also agree that God does take people or let them die to serve his purpose.

Life and Death are both matters of fact. I don't think you will find anyone celebrating the death, and yes this is a difficult issue to discuss.

I understand that it may appear that God is not fair. I don't really have a good answer for that, and I do agree this is a rather morbid discussion.

However, as a Christian, I personally believe this mortal life is but a small part of the existance of my soul. So death is nothing to be feared, as we simply move on to be with the Lord.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by KiwiJ:
<strong>
This is almost enough for me to leave this board forever.

Jenny </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well, you do what you feel is best. However, I encourage you to look again at what the folks here are saying. But, if you decide that you are better at deciding what I'm saying that I am, by putting your words into my mouth, then perhaps it is best you go.

Tony

Seems to me Job had the right perspective:

Job 2:10b

Shall we accept good from God, and not trouble?

Tony

MIL (1)
No Pity (1)
Kiwi J (1)

Those numbers in () stand for the number of postings each of you have done to the Prayer Forum.
Now having stated that; Welcome to the Prayer Forum. I hope you will stick around and get to know how "Christian" the majority (99%) are here. Check out our Prayer Request we do every Wednesday praying and fasting for the restoration of our marriages.

I have known lupolady for the past six months, inlcuding group phone conversations we had working on the "Purpose Driven Life" book. She has gone through a whole lot (not to diminish your stories, as I don't know them - but am interested if you want to share).

Below is the quote from my reaction to lupo's posting.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">My jaw dropped. I hope she found Christ before she died.
I don't know what to say. The Amazing Power of God is UNSTOPPABLE.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Perhaps I should have said UNFATHOMABLE or UNBELIEVEABLE.

As Christians, Christians at this site that I know and love, I believe we all were praying that this OW was saved; as it is NOT our place to judge others. We pray for the OP many times here, to ourselves, in private. We even have sent out praise reports on "I saw my xH/xW with the OP today and God gave me the strength and love to not breakdown.

At times it may be hard to "love" the OP, but a great deal of us here understand that they serve a purpose in God's plan for us, for our S's, for our F's and for our M's.

Lastly, I see this also as nervous laugther (and awe) at what happened. Do I believe that she prayed for God to take the OW out of her H's life? Absolutely. Do I believe that lupolady prayed for the OW to die? No! We are in shock of HOW God answered her prayers (and the prayers for her from the other Prayer Warriors at this forum).

God bless,
ItsInHisHandsNow

PS If you are Christian, or religious, or a believer, or just curious and searching for answers, I hope the Holy Spirit will move you to stick around.

WHOA!

Let me be the first to say that I am not (NOT) celebrating this woman's death. Oh, my, I totally apologize if at any time anything I wrote was sent that message. This lady was a dearly beloved child of God, and was precious to her loved ones--including Lupolady's exH. She will be mourned and missed by those she left behind, and it is my fondest hope that she reconciled herself with God before she was called to meet Him. In fact, I believe if you check some of my past posts, you will see that I regularly encouraged those who post here to pray for the OP in their spouse's A's and to thank God for them. Hey, it was extremely painful, but thanks to the OP, many necessary life lessons and changes were made in our lives--including being more honest, being more loving, being more respectful--things WE BS's needed to learn. So I thank God for the OP's and pray that God would bless them by bringing THEM closer to Him too.

I did mention the dancing with timbrals part because I think God moved in a mighty way. I did intend to celebrate that our God is a powerful God and that His will can not be stopped. He is holy and wise and WOW!! AWESOME!!

Once again, I apologize if my writings in any way indicated celebration over someone's death. That's HORRIBLE. When someone dies, someone mourns and it's a somber time to remember someone who touched many lives.


CJ

CJ,

The others on this board know that that was NOT your intention, by all means. You, above all people, would NEVER CELEBRATE someone's death! I see it this way. When someone is straying from God, God will use ANY means possible to draw them back to Him. This may very well be the way to get LL's H back to intimacy with Him. Could this mean restoration for this M? Possibly. LL, if you continue to show your H the love of Christ that lies within you, your M could very well be restored. Is this cause for excitement? NO! A woman died! This is horrible! I pray that the Lord touched her in some way before she passed so she could know Him & receive the treasures that awaited her. I don't believe those other posters were "evil" sent to destroy. I believe they had misunderstood the intent behind these posts. Of course we're not elated about this death. I pray that God will help her family deal with this loss daily. I pray they can look back upon her life & remember the reasons to celebrate what she contributed to each of their lives.

The most important thing is that your H gets closer to God & hopefully, he is. Maybe this death, this deep loss for him will help him do that. Will this mean that there could be a door opened for reconciliation? Possibly. Only God knows that and I pray that somehow, excuse me, I KNOW that things will work out the way God has planned. His plan for you or your H is not over yet by any means. God bless you, LL!

Thanks, Standing, CJ, and all my friends. I appreciated all your support.

Before I posted, I probably didn't THINK too carefully and weigh what I was writing and HOW to write it. I, too, never intended to sound like a celebration of this woman's death.

As far as the other posters being used as "evil," that was probably a rash statement on my part as well. It's just that we know well how satan operates, and I knew he would "show up" in some destructive way to try to take away the sense that God is working all things to HIS good even through the tragedy of this situation.

It's just so obviously the hand of God moving circumstances around to get my H to a place where God CAN reach him and speak to him, I was blown away by the severity of it, the finality of ending the sinful situation.

BTW - IF anybody read carefully what I originally wrote, I DID say my H and ow had started watching Tele-evangelist well-known to us, and I'm confident that she - at least - had the opportunity to hear of Christ's free offer of eternal life. If she chose to accept it is not something we will know the answer to until we enter our rest.

God Bless you all, brothers and sisters.