I just called to talk to my son. He was watching cartoons so he wasnt very talkative. W got on the phone.<P>My boys are going to be Baptised this weekend. She has a lot of anger with me cause I was not at the classes for this(I had school those nights).<P>I asked her if i could be in it some how. She said everyone on it attended the calsses. <P>I asked her why is she so mad at me. she said that I waited 6 days before it to want to be apart of it. THATS A LIE. it told her halloween iwanted to, but the classes are on the nights I have school.<P>She also said she is mad at me cause I hold D papers in my hand, and will not sign them.<P>I told her that I do not want this, she said I'm beung selfish. She says she cant get on with her life till I sign. its costing her money, and the more money I cost her the more mad at me she gets.<P>She SAYS that she will talk to me tomorrow, WE WILL SEE. she will just get mad and want me to sign, I"M NOT I DONT WANT THIS CRAP SO I"M NPT GONNA DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11<P>------------------<BR>brownphdt<P>

brownphd,<P>So, are you going to the baptism this weekend?? <P>Roll me away<P>------------------<BR>"Life is made up, not of great sacrifices or duties, but of little things in which smiles and kindnesses and small obligations, given habitually, are what win and preserve the heart and secure comfort."<P>Sir Humphry Davy<BR>

Brown,<P>EVIL CLONE W II, that could be the title to your MB the movie.<P>Hang in there man, if you don't want to sign then don't.<P>Remeber NO LOVEBUSTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<P>keep at it,<P>Bill<P>------------------<BR>BB<BR>

I agree. If you don't want to sign them- DON'T.

YES, I'm going, I might not be able to be in it, but she cant take this away from me. She is very upset at me cause I have been wanting to go to church. I didn't want to before. I feel I need to now.<P>I'm not gonna do it(sign), but in TX it doesn't matter if I do or nor if she wants it she will get it.<P>I talked to her a little while ago. I asked if she was going to put food for the baby. I pick him and oldest son up on Teu. and Thrus. till she gets off work. She said she could do that or I could got to her house to feed them and get them ready for bed if I wanted.<P>I told her it was up to her. Maybe she will talk to me. I dont know. I wrote a few poems I want her to read.( I didnt know I could do this till now ) I want o give them to her, but am affraid it would be a LOVE BUSTER<P>------------------<BR>brownphdt<P>

Hang on Brown,<P>Pray<BR>Pray<BR>Pray<BR>Pray<P>Get to really know God. Get God to really know you.<P>There is no problem to big for Him, all you have to do is surrender it to him. <P>If you want to talk more email me.<BR>wconklin@carolina.rr.com<P>Hang In,<BR>Bill<P>------------------<BR>BB<BR>

brownphd -- Just remember to pay attention to which W you are dealing with. If she is herself, you seem to make progress. If she is the Evil Clone. . .<P>Don't play into her game.<P>As for signing the papers . . . You and I have talked about this many times. . .<P>Hang in there buddy.<P>God Bless

ES, Its starting to be easier to see which W i'm dealing with( I'm lying), but his is very difficult. She told me the other night that dshe feel that she has to walk on egg shells around me. I told her she dont. I think itd because ofGUILT GUILT GUILT.<P>Is it possible to feel so guilty for what you have done to not give it another chance? Does that even make since?<P>------------------<BR>brownphdt<P>

brownphd -- Yes, you are making sense. Unformtunately, I think there have been examples on this board where the guilt is just too much to handle.<P>I don't really think this is the case with your W though. You have mentioned a few times, that she turns into the Evil Clone most when OM is around. When he is gone, she's OK.<P>To me, that's not guilt directing her actions, but wanting to have her cake and eat it too.<P>I have read all your posts the past couple days, and I have seen the progress you have made within yourself. You need to keep that up.<P>I know that I do not always tell you what you want to hear. I do not do this out of spite, I really don't. You are showing yourself to be very loving and forgiving. . . Personally, some of your W's actions would produce a very different response if I were in your position.<P>Just hang in there my friend.<P>God Bless

ES, I cant tell you why I can fogive her for those things. They were very serious. But I can and have. I will never forget them though. they will always be in my mind. I'm trying to be storng through this. <P>I dont see her relation ship lasting for ever with this guy. <P>Its monday so maybe he went out of town. I almost had a bad thought about him on the road. <P>If I do go to her house tomorrow I will wait to see if she starts a conversation. I hope. <BR>ES, you can say what ever you want. I need all that you can give, THANKS<P>------------------<BR>brownphdt<P><p>[This message has been edited by brownphd (edited December 06, 1999).]

brownphd -- <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>I cant tell you why I can fogive her for those things. They were very serious. But I can and have. I will never forget them though. they will always be in my mind. I'm trying to be storng through this.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I too have had to face things I never thought I would survive. I too have forgiven things my W has done which I had always considered to be unforgivable. (You and I both have this same thing in common, remember) And no, I will never forget what has happened either.<P>hopeful and I have come a long way in a fairly short period of time (My God, I just called a year a short period of time.) <P>I try very hard not to be a harda$$ when I reply to people here. I know the pain that is felt, because I have been there. Yet sometimes, a given situation just rubs a raw nerve, and I saw things without thinking about it first. I can tell when I say something which upsets you. It is usually through E-Mail, and usually results in a stop in the E-Mail for a while. I just didn't want you to think I was trying to upset you.<P>I have seen you accomplish a lot in the time I have known you. You have grown more than you probably realize. That is very good. You should be proud of yourself.<P>God Bless

ES, the emails have stopped cause its screwed up right now. My construction size brain can't fix it yet.<P>I feel I have grown too. I think she has seen it also. This si why she is so angry.<P>I told her like you told me. "if you want a divorce fine get it, but I dont want it and wont help" The papers say that I have to pay it all back any way, so why should she worry about the money. After all this was said thats when she said she would talk to me about this tomorrow.<P>I dont think she will though, and if Istart she will get mad.<P>STAY A HARD @SS I NEED IT ALOT<P>------------------<BR>brownphdt<P>

brownphd -- OK, I will. Just remember you told me to stay this way <P>God Bless

Es I'm hittin the hey for now, but youknow I'll be back<P>------------------<BR>brownphdt<P>

brownphd -- You're probably already sawing logs, but I just wanted to wish you a night of peaceful dreams.<P>God Bless

Brownphd,<BR>Don't sign the papers unless you really want the divorce. No regrets later in life.... Look back and know that you did everything you could to save your marriage. <P>Good luck<P>------------------<BR>Rutger......One day at a time.<P><BR>

Hi Brown,<P>don't sign. (I typed sing then - do you feel like singing ??????? I jolly well don't.)<P>Hang in, and hang on. You are doing great.<BR>Remember the beers and washing (laundry) episode - he'll do more of that, just wait and see. Big bad yobbo. She'll see him for what he is - a crock.<P>Keep on doing what you're doing.<P>Jo<P>

Hey Brown,<P>Just jumping on the band wagon with the rest. I'm not sure what's going on with Bonnet and the singing thing, but, what the heck. <P>If you don't want the divorce. Don't sign. Hold out, drag your feet, drag someone elses feet. Make it a project for the W to end this. Buy time, h*ll, rent time if you have to.<P>I started the divorce back in October, but here in Pennsy, I can also stop it and hold it up almost forever. Even if Val wanted to get rid of me, she couldn't because there is already an action in place. Is this a cool state or what?<P>Don't do what you don't want!!!<P>Check out the new sig<BR><P>------------------<BR>"It's not over till we say it's over! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? H*ll no!" Blutto...Animal House 1984<P>Wishing us all the Best.<P>Medic<P>