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#419745 12/05/02 09:30 AM
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I have had people tell me not to stay just for the kids and others tell me to do everything I can because of them. I do know this much, I would definitely call it quits were it not for the kids. Leaving my wife is one thing, but splitting time with the kids and the financial ramifications is another.

I realize this is a very personal decision. In my case I really want to move on with my life, but know that I will pay a high price to do so. It seems very unfair considering she is the one that caused this. She cheated, and yet I am in a situation to either stay in an unhappy marriage or lose time with my kids, probably lose my house, and give up much of my income. It seems I am going to pay either way.

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Maybe I've missed it, but I think I need a little more info such as how many kids, ages, is your wife a good mother, how many As. I saw she had an affair while you were taking fertility treatments so was this with your first child or your third. When did you find out about the A and how long ago was it?

Sorry for all the questions - if it's somewhere else posted already, tell me where.
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#419747 12/05/02 10:14 AM
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I know exactly how you feel. I'm in a very similar situation. I know I have contributed to the situation. I have worked very hard to correct my behaviors but it has been to no prevail. My wife too is in an affair. She is unwilling to stop her relationship and this person is unwilling to let her go. I too think it is unfair, unfair to me, our children, his child and his wife. What do people think? Are they completely unaware of what their actions do to others or are they just so self consumed they don't care? Stick in there. Only you can decide what is best for you and your children.

#419748 12/05/02 10:20 AM
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I probably didn't give enough detail. We have 3 young children, which is really what complicates things for me. What do you do when you want to leave your wife, but not the rest of your life? I didn't deserve this, and neither did my kids.

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On DDAY my thought pattern was: People get divorced all the time and kids LIVE THROUGH IT. My kids will make it - they are older, though. I would have bet $1 million they would have chose to live full time with me and just visit H occaissionally (sp). My H would have definitely lost his job and me and the kids would have had to move out of the house - no way I could have kept it. We would have had to sell our minivan and get 2 cars.... the list was endlesss.

We decided instead to work on our M and I must say at times it is WONDERFUL. Don't get me wrong, I have meltdowns and so does he. We just had one this morning. He also can't bear to watch TV or movies about affairs.

I guess my point is... there CAN be hope for you and your M if you are both willing to do a little work.

We are only 3 weeks into this and I can't really say we are totally into RECOVERY yet but getting close. And it has been great to reconnect.

I read Surviving an Affair. I plan to buy His Needs, Her Needs this weekend. SAA helped me ALOT.
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#419750 12/05/02 11:29 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I am in a situation to either stay in an unhappy marriage or lose time with my kids, probably lose my house, and give up much of my income. It seems I am going to pay either way. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">There is another option. Fix your marriage. From personal experience, I highly recommend taking it. I realize it is not your decision alone. Your spouse has to participate (eventually) for you to be successful. She does NOT have to participate for you to start. If she never comes around, you will already be well on your way to learning what you need to learn to have a great marriage. I hope you are honest enough with yourself that you can admit you don't know how to do that yet. Unless your situation is EXTREMELY unusual. So, the question is "How do I do that?" I cannot give you the whole answer in one post, but I can point you toward the tools you will need to learn how to use:

1.) Learn. Read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Then buy and read “Surviving an Affair”, by Willard Harley, (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair”. It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them.

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

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I'm so sorry for your pain. I hope this site is helping you cope. My two cents: Children may not be worth staying for if there is no change that takes place in the marriage, but if you have a hope for a change, they are certainly worth your efforts to heal the relationship. Kids may be able to "live" with divorce, but I think you'd be kidding yourself to believe they'd be better off for it. I believe that when children are involved, you have an extra incentive to forgive your spouse. That doesn't mean I believe you should stay if the relationship doesn't get any better. Read the information in the Harley books and on this site. It can help - I know it has helped my wife and I. I personally am glad I gave my wife and our marriage another chance.

DCR


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