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You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, is denying involvement in an affair despite the evidence, and/or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was "Surviving an Affair" by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as "SAA") available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of "the message of the affair" (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase "the message of the affair" is from the book "Torn Asunder", by Carder (hereinafter referred to as "TA"). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read "The State of Affairs", (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC?s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don't cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC's in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works.

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thank you for your reply-my H&I have read SAA,it
was very helpful-we are working on the questionaires.I am on an emotional rollercoaster-
I love my family-I am a great mother-I can't help
but miss OM and thought he was perfect for me and
knew me like noone ever has-I really let him in and now I feel like I gave that away to him-the OM
is publically known/very successful-he is so arrogant-I know he is laughing to himself that he
got away with it-it leads me to feelings of revenge-to try and get to her so I can make his life miserable-I will read the other articles/books you have recommeded-I feel like this is eating away at me-my H has been pretty patient since he has gone through so much pain.Is it a bad idea to call the OM's wife and tell her it's not just me but others?

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Calling OM's wife might be a good thing or bad thing. Depends on the circumstances. I'll just say that you might end up preventing what happened to you from happening to other women in the future. But there are a bunch of other things to consider - I just wanted to point out something that was a little more unique about your situation.

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Hi Johnh39 Yes I did read your link and thank you very much for the information. Day 2 of not talking was about the affair. I finally went back to work after 3 weeks out. they thought I had to leave becaue of my depression. I went to the psycharist and he said yes I was depressed but was able to work. It was hard to go back. I tried not to think about my husband today and the other woman but it was difficult. At lunch time I got very nervous which is when I knew they always got together. I hope that it is over he says it is. It is just hard to believe. I wish I could start feeling normal again it is so hard. I don't even remember what normal is. It has been 9 months and it has been and still is hell thanks to me. I just can't get out of the rut I am in. I constantly think of the two of them together and wonder how they could do it. Our families both have children that are good friends and The other womans husband is my daughters travel allstar coach for softball. Which means we will be with them every weekend for the month of July. I am a nervous reck. I don't know if I am going to deal with it at all and it scares me that we will end up arguing and holly hell will break loose for the 4 of us. Thank you it is nice to "talk" to someone.

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I believe I have been following the Plan A stuff for a while. I try to keep away from the LB's and only give her support and caring. What has this done to our relationship? Well, nothing. She just feels so set on moving on. She says it is very difficult for her, but she just cannot come back and try again. I've tried inviting her to spend time with the kids and I- very informal things, like McDonalds after the ball game, or BBQ on a Sunday afternoon with us. I haven't suggested anything that would be just her and I, cause I know right now that would be awakward for her. What else can I do? OR is this it, and I just maintain this pace? How long can the Betryed spouse give before they are so totally void of emotion any longer? I can't keep giving and giving, with nothing return. Ya know, even the betryed one has EN's. How are mine met? I have dated quite a bit, actually, and quite about six weeks ago when I found this site and decided I wanted to try and reconcile. Now I feel since all seems so hopeless, it's time to date again. I know thats not a good idea, but really, I do have a need to feel special as well. Whats a guy to do? I'm a good guy, and I know I have a lot to offer- even more now that i'm trying to learn about relationships, I think futute relationships will be much more rewarding- but I refer it be with my wife. Well, enough rambling; I know so many others here are now or have experienced these exact feelings. Thanks for your words.....

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Thanks J39, I have read SAA as well as Love must be tough by Dobson, my wife will not participate in the books and when I mention the ???, I get told I am controlling and demanding...I see the smoke screen for what it is...I will look at the other books as well..I wish I had known about these books earlier...I could have avoided many mistakes, but I am learning so much and am commited to sharing w/ others from my own horrible experience...I do have a good christian counselour and have been repairing my faith walk as well..in the early stages, I could not have made it without trust and strong prayer in the lord...

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Hey Johnh39
Just want to say I like your follow-up help section.

I'm glad you include the seeking spiritual help section and include the Rom. 12 verse in your signature.

This is my testimony.
I was a Christian for years but in separation I have learned experientially of the Father's love and this ihas made ALL the difference in how I approach my wife & children.
No reconcilaition yet but my faith is refined and strong and that's worth it all.
God bless.
Keep trusting.


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