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Can anyone tell me how long will it take before I feel better?

I caught my WH in a phone conversation with the OW, I knew then something was up and when I confronted him he would not tell me. We were HS sweethearts and have been married for 25 years, so I knew as soon as I looked at him. I moved into the guest room two weeks ago and I know it was eating him alive. I believe he really does love me, on Wednesday night he finally told me everything. I felt so hurt, betrayed, and enraged I couldn't think straight. It was the most awful night of my life. For two straight nights, we have had alot to drink and alot of talking. Yesterday, he called her, while I was in the room to tell her it was over. Here it is:

He worked with her about 7 years ago, but always seemed to stay in touch for one reason or another. He was always attracted to her, she always dressed provocatively, high heels, short skirts, you know the routine. He is a consultant and has to travel all week, and he hates it and so do I. But the year before last, I found out that he called her while he was on the road. We had a knock-down drag-out fight and he promised to never call her again.

He quit consulting in April and hadn't been able to find a job, he said he called her for lunch and asked her if she wanted to f**k, they arranged it that day at lunch. Here is what really kills me....the first time for them was on mother's day! He said he was going to his buddie's house and would meet me at my mothers. I asked him to please postpone, he refused and spent the day with her! He tells me he was with her five or six times, I think I believe him.

His buddy, who he worked with at the same place as OW, helped facilitate the A by lending his house. Now my WH tells me that the proof that the A was only a PA is because he and his buddy "double teamed" her, twice. It's sick!!!!!!

Like I said, we have talked it out, he has cried and told me he has never felt better since telling me. I won't sleep with him until he is examined for std's. I know I'm rambling but here is my question: do you ever learn to trust again? I am obsessed and can't stop thinking about it. Every time I look at him I think of something else I need to know. I keep thinking that if he gives me a blow by blow (no pun intended) description of every encounter, that I won't be haunted with my imagination of what they did.

I said three things have to happen:
1. Call her while I'm in the room and end it (done)
2. End his friendship with his buddy
3. Get a physical exam to prove he is clean

Any other suggestions?

Does anyone else feel this way? What do I do next? I don't want to snoop, but I feel this perverse need to know everything. I don't want to be his keeper. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> do you ever learn to trust again? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">yes, but it takes time - like 6 months to two years.
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I am obsessed and can't stop thinking about it. Every time I look at him I think of something else I need to know. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Though it does not help much, just be re-assured that this is completely normal. As for what helps, see below. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I said three things have to happen:
1. Call her while I'm in the room and end it (done)
2. End his friendship with his buddy
3. Get a physical exam to prove he is clean

Any other suggestions?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yes, but that is a good start, and consistent with what you will find in the resources that follow.

You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. You should do three things:

1.) Learn. Read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity Then buy and read “Surviving an Affair”, by Willard Harley, (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them.

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity Read it while you wait for your copy of "Surviving an Affair" to arrive in the mail.

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Thanks John! One more question: Am I reading right? Are we supposed to tell the world about his A? Am I suppose to call OWH and let him know? I don't think I could do that.

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Stunned,

So sorry you find yourself here. John's given you some very good advice.

And, yes, the first thing to do is call OWH and let him know what has happened. It is the surest way to make sure the affair has ended and will stay that way.

After several months of keeping the A secret from OWH, I told OW she either had to tell him herself, or I would. I have not regretted that decision.

As for telling everyone, I did not do this, and I am glad I did not. Only a precious few know of what happened. If my H did not end the affair immediately, or if he left for OW, of course then I would not hesitate to tell the world. But I never felt it necessary in our situation to tell everyone and now I am still glad that I didn't.

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stunned - Sorry you are here, but it sounds like there is a lot of hope for your marriage. Right now you need to read all that is on this site, because your feelings will lead you in the wrong direction. You will probably feel miserable for awhile and so will H. You do need to let OW's H know what is going on for his sake. Lots of deadly diseases out there and he needs to know to protect himself. You can rebuild your marriage and it can be a better marriage. Just stick with this site. They also have counseling here by phone - expensive, but when you consider the alternative, very cheap. Hang in there, things will get better.

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Thank you believer and snowbelle , It is so nice to have you guys to talk to! I can't discuss it with anyone because I don't want to change anyone elses opinion of him.

You will never know how lucky I feel to have found this site, and people like you. Thank you!

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Are we supposed to tell the world about his A? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Nope, not unless he continues contacting her. </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> Am I suppose to call OWH and let him know? </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yep. You would want to know, wouldn't you?

<small>[ November 02, 2003, 08:43 PM: Message edited by: johnh39 ]</small>


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