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#439744 11/13/03 12:23 PM
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First off let me say hello to all MB members, if I would have found this site 2 years ago I wouldn't have been in this situation again.

Short Background:

Married 1990
Daughter born 1990
Seperated 3 times, last time May 93
Divorced Oct 1993, me with custody
Found out after divorce WS was in love with another man.
Feb 1994 WS is "In" love with me and wants me back.
Apr 1994 Second try at our relationship.
May 1997 Son Born
Aug 1999 Married 2nd time
Oct 2000 Purchased house and land
Sept 2003 Wife is not "in" love anymore


Our relationship has been gradually going downhill the past 2 years. I have realized the I have not met her emotional needs and I started working on that when she informs me that she is not in love w/me anymore.
I have found out that she spends a lot of her free time(lunch,after work-b4 I come home) with a male friend. At this time I believe it is just an EA but she does not recognize their relationship as any problem.
Varios changes in her dress(under garments, etc) getting a tatto, and dumping all guilt on me has led me to believe that there is more to her relationship with OM. She really dumped on me when OM up and got married to an old relationsip on a whim, but seemed happy when it didn't last 30 days.
As of last night she wants me out. She dosn't want a divorce but says that is the only way I(me) will be happy(so I can move on). She wants me to leave her,kids,home, everything. She can't leave because she dosn't want everyone to think she is a bad mother and give her a hard time like the first Div.
I have been reading alot on this board and have been doing the best I can. She seems to be in the "Fog" and only wants me out of her life to be happy herself.
I am going to the Dr. for depr med so hopefully I can work on her needs and show her how much she means to me with anymore LB's.

Thanks for the ear, I havn't been able to talk to anyone for fear of her exploding about me getting this out in the open. <img border="0" alt="[Teary]" title="" src="graemlins/teary.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> I havn't been able to talk to anyone for fear of her exploding about me getting this out in the open. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Which is a pretty good indication that that is exctly what you need to do. That may seem counter-intuitive, but read teh "Plan A" links in the quote below: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. Read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity Then buy and read “Surviving an Affair”, by Willard Harley, (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them.

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity Read it while you wait for your copy of "Surviving an Affair" to arrive in the mail. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

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Thanks for the reply johnj39

I had not ead the page on plan A doormats and lovebusters. It makes things a little more clear.

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Twicebitten

The comment that Johnh39 made about exposing the affair is very important. Particularly since your wife is so sensitive about other people viewing her as a bad person.

The purpose of exposing the affair is NOT REVENGE. It is an effective way to stop the affair.

You might consider exposing the affair to friends and family that are support of your marriage. The people you tell about the affair should have some influence with your wife and be willing to call her and support your marriage.

She will be upset because you outted the affair. But, if you work a good plan A and no LBs this will cause her to stop and reconsider her actions.

Don’t move out of your home. Go to another bedroom if you must but don’t leave.

Beau

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Thanks for your imput, I am reading more info and went to the Dr. on friday for deprec med. and I am committed to our marriage.

Thanks again.

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twicebitten,
here's a very un-marriage builders like response to your situation.

"fool me once shame on you...fool me twice shame on me."

the woman you are describing (and i have only your description to go by) sounds shallow, immature and at this point, incapable of sustaining a meaningful relationship.

it sounds like she gets bored and it's on to a new adventure. she comes down from the hight of her new adventure...and it's back to daddy (you!)...who then take her in and treat her like the adult woman and wife which she apparently she isn't.

this woman sounds comitted to nothing other then her own banal gratification. why would you give her a thrid chance? why would you feel the need to be a parent to a wife who acts like an older daughter instead of your mate? have you learned nothing from her previous activities?

i'm sure that the good folks around here can help you fashions a stradegy to get her back in the fold but my question to you is why would you want her?

coach


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