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#440094 11/21/03 10:56 AM
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and I wish I wasn't, here that is.

I've started keeping a journal :- http://www.livejournal.com/users/much2much/
and have got as far as Tuesday.

Please help me.

#440095 11/21/03 11:21 AM
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Welcome (kinda).

Sorry that you have came here. Journaling is a good way to help work through things. Read all that you can here. This site has so much info for what you are going through.

How long has the EA been going on? Did your husband call it that or did you?

#440096 11/21/03 08:13 PM
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much- Start in Plan A, read all about it until you have really internalized it. Since your H is not too cold and cruel, you probably will be able to keep it up for awhile. It is very important as an attractive alternative to having an A. Also during this time, work on your issues. Also do things for you, exercising, fun with friends, working around house, etc. Your marriage seems very hopeful to me. Don't give up.

#440097 11/22/03 12:42 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was “Surviving an Affair” by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

#440098 11/22/03 11:24 AM
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Thank you.

drose, I don't remember who called it that, but it was also a physical affair. I found out the next day. Its in my journal now but I hadn't got that far when you read it.

Its now Saturday morning and all we've really done is try to talk... he is trying to answer my questions but there are things I just don't want to know... if she was any good in bed, what she looked like etc. I'm scared of the mental pictures as is without any extra details. We've also been working on establishing a less stressful and earlier bedtime for my younger son so that we have some time alone together.

I'm actually coming to dread the time alone in the evenings because it is so hard to hear his answers to my questions and it is so tiring and draining. We're still doing it though.

He keeps trying to touch me, hold my hand, stroke my hair etc and I flinch when he does. Is it normal to not want to be touched? I also feel a bit guilty that I'm not more upset... it feels that perhaps my marriage isn't so important if I'm not crying hysterically or fiercely angry at him.

We are still sorting out our health insurance. Priority for today and we still have to find a therapist. I'm extremely worried about the money involved.

He has agreed to take three weeks off work but his boss made a condition of the leave that he comes in once a week. I'm really unhappy about that condition. I asked for the leave for two reasons. One, so he would put some space between him and her and two so it would reassure me.

#440099 11/22/03 10:47 PM
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update: well today we got out and played racketball together. I'd never played but he had with a male friend. We actually had fun and laughed a little.

We also contacted a counsellor and have arranged to meet her. I told another close friend that I'd been avoiding.

Does anyone have a hard time with the pity and horror that people show towards you when you tell them this?


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