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Ok
seems we have a mexican stand off here.
H has told me the truth after I pull it out of him.

He won't let me leave says he will leave after I do. That can't happen two business's - kid in college to many obligations.

He says for the last six mts I have been perfect
in very way and he LOVES me.And wants our family and marriage.

Then he says he loves his OW (still out of town)
and she was there for him when he needed her.

Seems I was there also for 26 yrs when he needed someone.

I don't think her one yr can add up to my 26 yrs.

And also pointed out how he has let his values run away. No way could I do what all she is doing to her husband. And him not even noticing.

I believe I am gaining some ground but like really slow baby steps.

I can see his fog lifting some and he is acting wonderful here.

JUST NEED TO GET RID OF THE OW.

She is suppose to be getting a divorce in Jan.
I asked him will he be leaving then with her and he said NO.

SO CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IS GOING ON HERE

I stay confused and lost .
PLease help me understand and what to expect ???
PLEASE

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Ok, are you ready to do some really hard things? Because you are going to need to.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> And also pointed out how he has let his values run away.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">1.) Stop doing this. This is an LB. It just drives him further into her arms. Please read up on Love Busters and eliminate them from your habits completely. Every time you LB, you are pushing him toward her.

2.) Begin to meet the his Emotional Needs that you can and that he will let you.


</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">No way could I do what all she is doing to her husband. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">3.) Write an exposure letter and send it to your friends and family, his friends and family, and the OW's H. There is basically a form to this letter. It is not vindictive or judgemental. Just tell them that your H is having an affair with [use the woman's name] and that you love him and want to save your marriage. Ask for their support in helping him make the right decision.

4.) Begin respectfully negotiating an end to the affair. The end of the affair needs to have a no contact letter sent to the OW. No contact in any form for any reason can happen between them again. (this letter also has a form to it)

Before you log out of this site again, buy the book "Surviving an Affair". Read this book and make it a part of you. You also need to get a professional involved.

Overwhelmed yet? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> Oh, yeah, and welcome to MB! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="images/icons/wink.gif" />

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, is denying involvement in an affair despite the evidence, and/or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was “Surviving an Affair” by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

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SO CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT IS GOING ON HERE
He had an affair and all the rules (at least from his point of view) go out the window and get rewritten.

I am meeting all his needs
Not really as easy as that. You may think you are meeting all his needs as you thnk he wants them met.
But are you meeting his needs as he wants you to meet them?
Have you specifically asked him what his needs are and how you can best fill those needs?
This is what the Emotional Needs questionaires are used for.

Read the links below.


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