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#440747 12/11/03 03:07 PM
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I am the pastor of a large church. I have been married over twenty years. In 1995 I found out that my wife had an affair in 1993. We were having severe marriage problems at the time. God interceded and I made a lot of changes in my life and work schedule. This last month my wife came to me and said she had to confess to another affair in 1995 with our then Youth Minister. I am absolutely devastated and not sure what to do. We are going to counseling but I am seeing little progress. I feel like an idiot, I have to forgive. I have five beautiful children and an exciting ministry. She assures me that she has changed and this will never happen again. She has changed, but I do not know what to do. She has a sexual problem related to me(She has to be drunk to enjoy sex) She apparently does not have this problem with other men. Even writing this makes me feel like more of a loser. I look for insight here because of the confidentiality. I really have no other people to talk to, our counselor is so busy we see in once a month at the most.

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petra,

Sorry you have to come here looking for answers. By virtue of your calling you know what the answers are, it is waiting for those answers that will be tough. I would seek counseling more often than once a month. I needed it once a week just for me.

Has your wife seeked counseling for herself yet?

God bless

#440749 12/11/03 03:58 PM
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My sermon this week was on waiting. Thanks for reminding me. Yes my wife is in counseling with me. She is emotionally shut down. I am proud that she told the truth, it just hurts badly. She has also stopped drinking. It is just a long difficult road that drags on.

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That is good that she stopped drinking. A clear head certainly makes things much easier. It is good that she goes to MC (marriage counseling) with you but is she seeing someone by herself....without you?

You know all to well about patience, strength, fortitude, etc. Count it all joy my brothers. Ask for wisdom.

God bless

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We have had two sessions together and the next session is seperate. She goes on Jan. 7, I return Jan. 12.

#440752 12/11/03 04:25 PM
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20 years and 5 kids is a lot to lose. You must be doing something right or your wife wouldn't have stayed that long - so don't be too hard on yourself. Have you read His needs, her needs...that has got be the best place to start. The book really goes back to basics and helps you work out what you both liked about each other when you first met and how to get that back - never forget you were both in love with each other once!!. You can get it from most bookshops and even from this website. Your wife had the affairs because you weren't meeting one of her emotional needs - the other people did. However it was more than likely you were meeting some of the needs that the other men couldn't. So buy the book now and read read read. It talks so much sense you will be pleasantly surprised.

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Petra please read Dr Willard Harley's book 'Surviving An Affair' as well as Dave Carder's 'Torn Asunder'. These two books do an outstanding job in informing the causes of affairs and how to recover from them. You will especially enjoy Dave Carder's book (Torn Asunder) because he serves as assistant pastor responsible for counseling ministries at the First Evangelical Free Church of Fullerton, California. He also serves on the boards of CAPS-WEST (Christian Association of Psychological Studies), The Center for Individuals and Family Therapy, and Marble Retreat Center. He is the author of Secrets of Your Family Tree, Helping Couples Recover from Adultery, and Promises from Proverbs.

You are not alone, we are all here to help you and your W.

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Petra: There are many parallels between your story and mine, particularly the part about enjoying it with the OP, but not me. We still struggle some sexually, but things are MUCH better, and we are continuing to work on things. This will be a long difficult road for you, but there is hope. In addition to the resources suggested in the quote below, I suggest you read "The Sexual Man", by Hart, which helped me get in touch with the emotional side of sex from my own perspective, which helped me to understand hers. My wife found the first couple of chapters of "When Good Men are Tempted" helpful in understanding my perspective. Beyond that: </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"> You can recover. Many people have. It isn't easy, and not everyone succeeds, but as long as you are both working on it, your chances are close to 100%. If your spouse is NOT willing to work on your marriage, is denying involvement in an affair despite the evidence, and/or is continuing an affair, read What Are Plan A and Plan B? after reading the "Basic Concepts" links below. In that case, you need to start Plan A with the help of a marriage counselor (see item #2, below). There are a couple terrific posts about Plan A that are worth reading at: Plan A, Doormats and Love Busters by Zorweb and Cerri on Plan A, which will help you avoid some of the common pitfalls. Your situation is harder, but your chances of saving your marriage and actually making it better than before are still good. But, whether your spouse is "on board" or not, you should do three things:

1.) Learn. The most important and helpful single source of information for my wife and I was “Surviving an Affair” by Willard Harley (hereinafter referred to as “SAA”) available at the Bookstore, Amazon.com, and bookstores all over. SAA is THE best book on the market for helping one get to the root of “the message of the affair” (BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE QUESTIONAIRES!). It (along with the Basic Concepts section of this site) is also helpful for giving you a vision of what a great marriage should look like. The approach of SAA to this problem is that the best defense against affairs is to have a great marriage. My wife said we had a good marriage, but she still had an affair. She was kidding herself, but it was not until we read SAA and saw what a great marriage should look like that we could clearly identify the problem areas and had the tools necessary to fix them. So that you can get started right away, while waiting for SAA to arrive in the mail, read everything in the Basic Concepts section of this site. Next, read all the Q&A's on infidelity on this site. They are found at How to Survive Infidelity

The phrase “the message of the affair” is from the book “Torn Asunder”, by Carder (hereinafter referred to as “TA”). I personally think this is the best book on affair recovery we have read. In particular it deals with the two different paths the recovery of the betrayed spouse (BS) and the wayward spouse (WS) need to take, and deals w/ remorse in a way that I prefer to SAA. Read it together, if your spouse is willing. If not, go through it yourself. If you or your spouse has issues with control, you might also want to read “The State of Affairs”, (SOA) by Todd Mulliken, which also treats the remorse issue similarly to TA. SOA also deals with "the vision thing" for marriage, which is neglected in SAA.

2.) See a marriage counselor. This is hard. You need help. These boards are populated by amateurs. MC’s are professionals. There is a difference. They can help deal with issues the books don’t cover, and customize things to your individual situation. That said, there are lots of bad MC’s in the world. Read, and take to heart, How To Find A Good Marriage Counselor. You do not want an MC that is going to teach you how to live with an awful spouse, or how to adjust to divorce. Too many of them do, as is documented here: Hazardous Counseling. Reading that link may scare you off counseling, but it should give you some good ideas to ask a potential MC before you start w/ them, so you can avoid those that give you the wrong answers. You need one that is committed to helping couples have great marriages, and knows how to do that.

You are on an emotional rollercoaster right now, and there will be times that you will think it would be best to just divorce your spouse and go on with your life. Though there are no guarantees, recovery IS possible, but it takes time and effort. You will hate yourself if you don't do everything you can to make that happen. Give yourself the time you need.

3.) I understand that you may not be a person of faith, but for me, getting my spiritual life in order was crucial. As I said, this is hard. I knew I would need all the help I could get. Repenting of the habitual sins in my life let me stop pushing God away so I could hold on for dear life. I had to humble myself and ask Him what I had done wrong, and what I could do to be the husband He wanted me to be for his child, my wife. This was not about blaming myself. It was about doing what I could to do my part in having a great marriage. My wife could participate or not, but I had to know I had done everything I could do. It also helped me to let go of thinking about what SHE needed to do, since I couldn't control her, anyway.

You might also want to read through: WAT's Quick Start Guidelines for Betrayed Spouses, but keep in mind that these are the writings of amateurs. Get the books, read the articles, and see a GOOD counselor - you need the best help you can get.

Of course, that is just my opinions and what worked for me, who experienced it once, first hand. Harley, who has helped HUNDREDS of couples through this process, lays out his program in the following link: How to Survive Infidelity You will find that I mostly followed his plan. It works. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">

#440755 12/12/03 02:35 PM
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You guys have been great. I just needed somewhere to unload. I am deeply in love with my wife. She is truly in love with me. She says she can not imagine life without being together. As far as reading, I have read every book metioned except "The Sexual Man." The problem comes in the place where I try to talk to her about the affairs or even about our sexual problems. She shuts down completely and goes into a dep depression. I wish I could explain the difference that two drinks make. She cringes when I touch her sexually unless she has two drinks and then she goes absolutely wild. She becomes a diffent person. She loves to have sex with me and we both end up sexually satisfied. Alcohol will destroy her in the future, so she is trying to stop it entirely. Of course this leads to frustration on my part. We go from intimacy three times a week to once a month maybe. I need to settle in for the long haul, but as far as me working through the affairs, I am on my own.(Of course God will be there)

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Petra,
I am a WW. Maybe your W is just really embarassed about the A. And she's probably scared to tell you everything. Perhaps a counselor could help...it could be yal's "safe place" where she can feel free to talk about ANYTHING. Maybe she is afraid of what your responses might be if she opened up herself to you, but if she felt like there was a referree there, she might feel better. I know I would. I know I can talk to my H about a lot of things, but there are those "triggers" that will set him off - he immediately becomes judgemental


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